Jennifer Ng: Greyhound racing opponents use misinformation, out of context data - Florida Politics

Jennifer Ng: Greyhound racing opponents use misinformation, out of context data

Political lobbying groups like Grey2K have long been using inaccurate information and statistics taken out of context to unjustly condemn the greyhound racing industry. They appeal to people’s emotions by only telling part of the story.

Twenty years ago, I was a naive college student who believed the sad story spun by the anti-racing extremists. Then, almost 12 years ago, I adopted my first ex-racing greyhound and started volunteering with my adoption group. I got to know some of the faces behind the greyhound racing community and began to see the more complete picture and the truth behind the industry. The majority of the folks who breed, raise, train, and take care of the greyhounds every day are just normal people — dog lovers who care deeply about the greyhounds in their charge.

The recent article by Tony Glover, published by the Miami Herald, is just another example of the way information is manipulated against greyhound racing. While attempting to validate his opinion about greyhound racing by using his position as a past director of the Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering, Glover fails to disclose that he is now a paid lobbyist for the Massachusetts-based Grey2K (one of the lobbying organizations behind the Yes on 13 campaign). He also fails to mention that the fiscal year with the “highest number of greyhound drug positives since 2003” happened to fall within the two years he ran the division that regulated greyhound racing in Florida.

Glover cites that, “Over the past 10 years, state records reflect 15 cases of greyhound abuse, 11 cases of neglect, 7 welfare-related cases and 47 vaccination violations.” To put these numbers into perspective, over the past 10 years, even using conservative estimates, over 50,000 greyhounds have raced in Florida. At any given time, there are around 8,000 racing greyhounds at the dozen tracks throughout the state. Over a ten-year period, 33 cases of abuse/neglect or welfare concerns is extremely low considering the total number of dogs in the care of racing kennels in Florida during that time. Any animal control officer would likely be quite pleased to have that few abuse/neglect cases in a dog population of 50,000 dogs.

Regarding the “vaccination violations,” how many pet owners have accidentally let their dog’s vaccines lapse? I fail to see how this is proof that greyhound racing is a “dirty game,” as Glover calls it. As a general practice veterinarian who also volunteers for an active greyhound adoption group, I can say that racing greyhounds are much more consistently vaccinated than the general pet population. It’s rare for us to get in a retired racer who is not current on vaccinations.

A Closer Look at the Drug Allegations

In Tony Glover’s (and other anti-racing) articles it is implied that greyhound racing has a big drug problem. A closer look at the numbers actually shows that greyhound racing is cleaner than most human sports as well as horse racing.

Glover also writes: “Hundreds of dogs tested positive for serious drugs over the past decade, including 70 positive results for cocaine metabolites.”

To provide a little more detail and put those numbers in context, there were 430 positive test results from 2007-2017 out of 440,586 samples analyzed — a frequency of less than 0.1 percent (that’s 1/10th of 1 percent). Over the same time frame, in horse racing, there were 1930 positive drug test results out of 170,993 samples analyzed, which is a little over 1 percent. While these numbers show that drugs are not a common problem in either industry, it is over 10 times more frequent in horse racing.

Taking a closer look at the individual drugs Glover mentioned, the positive tests for cocaine metabolites were almost all trace amounts that wouldn’t have come close to being considered positive by the standards of testing for humans or horse racing and wouldn’t have any effect on the dog.

In human and horse drug tests for cocaine and metabolites, there is a lower limit, or threshold, to account for environmental contamination and incidental contact. In greyhounds, there is no lower limit, so even trace amounts are reported as positives. The process used to drug test greyhounds is so sensitive that even 1 ng/mL can be detected, but in most human screening tests, anything below 150 ng/mL is not considered positive. The large majority of the 70 positive results over the past 10 years, mentioned by Glover, were below 30 ng/dl.

Then Glover states that: “The opioid crisis has sadly reached the dog track, with dogs testing positive for Oxycodone and Oxymorphone.” Looking at the actual numbers, 6 greyhounds have tested positive for oxycodone or oxymorphone over the past 10 years.

That’s 6 out of the 440,586 samples tested — hardly proof of an “opioid crisis.”

Glover also mentions “caffeine, Lidocaine, Novocaine, and an industrial solvent called DMSO floating in their blood.” A drug test can come up positive for caffeine from a dog simply stealing a lick of her trainer’s morning coffee. There were 10 greyhounds positive for lidocaine (again, out of 440,586 samples). And a review of the data shows NO positive results for novocaine; I’m not even sure it is something that is tested. DMSO is a topical anti-inflammatory that is used in both human and veterinary medicine to carry medications and liniment deeper into muscles and joints. To call it an “industrial solvent” is misleading.

The state’s drug testing program for racing greyhounds was found to be inadequate by a judge in court. To use this as an example of the racing industry trying to avoid responsibility, I wonder if Mr. Glover is also questioning the integrity of that judge? The draft legislation that Glover claims “would have legalized certain amounts of cocaine in a racing greyhound’s bloodstream” was simply to bring cocaine testing in greyhound racing up to the standards used in humans in horses. It would simply instate a threshold to eliminate insignificant, trace amounts that are likely due to environmental contamination or incidental exposure.

Glover’s comments about the “doping of female greyhounds with anabolic steroids” shows a serious lack of understanding of the sport he was supposed to be regulating. The use of anabolic steroids is an FDA-approved method of preventing heat cycles in dogs. The low doses used have been statistically shown to not enhance performance and is far from comparable to human athletes “doping” with anabolic steroids. Preventing heat cycles helps ensure order and safety within the racing kennels. Instead of being a treatment that “endangers the health of the animals” as Mr. Glover seems to think, because of the dog’s unique reproductive cycle, anabolic steroids are a safer method of estrus suppression than other hormonal therapies that can increase the risk of life-threatening uterine infections.

It’s past time for the anti-racing extremists to be called on their lies and misleading propaganda, which they have been using for years to malign the greyhound racing community.

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Jennifer Ng is a veterinarian in South Carolina. She adopted her first ex-racing greyhound in 2007, serves as a Greyhound adoption volunteer, and is the president of Greyhound Adopters for Racing.

199 Comments

    1. Mr, Thiel – you yourself are an out of state lobbyist leading the anti racing charge. At least Ms. Ng is an actual Veterinarian with actual experience and knowledge rather than the blind rhetoric you spew.

    2. and we have out of state lobby groups attempting to alter Florida’s constitution. During one of the hearings a lead out exposed that the cocaine contamination was coming from them.

    3. Your “out of state” comments are wearing thin Mr. “Pot Calling the Kettle Black” Theil. You do realize that most greyhound racing owners and adopters do not live in the state of Florida, so yes they have a vested interest in the welfare of their dogs. You, however, and your partners at the HSUS, care nothing for the welfare of greyhounds but would rather decimate the breed for some self-righteous but misguided savior complex. Your organizations’ days are numbered as rational folks are becoming wise to your deceitful tactics.

      And why, Mr. Theil, will you not take up Mr. Parker’s invitation for a live debate?

        1. OMG so true! My Gears will want to run so bad that he can’t wait to go outside and he runs back and forth through the house as fast as he can!

    4. Oh now who should we believe? An out of state veterinarian who has experience with greyhounds and provides context for her arguments? Or an out of state animal rights extremist who spouts misleading propaganda and literally makes his living off of other people’s donations to his cause? I think I’ll side with the vet. VOTE NO on 13!

    5. No different than you taking money from out of state from the lobbying groups grey2K PETA and HDUS.You people think you know so much why don’t you debate the greyhound people like they’ve asked numerous times. You’re afraid to because you know the truth will come out. Then the public will know what lying scamming people you all are. Debate the greyhound people give them their say will match our fax against yours any day.You just scared the truth will come out you’ll lose all your funding.

    6. Carey,

      Out-of state is any state outside of Florida. Aren’t you still in Massachusetts with your loving wife? Are the two of you now out of your plush offices and apartment in Arlington, Massachusetts?

      Perhaps when you debate John Parker you can address why you and the HSUS, they are based in Washington D.C. are okay to be out of-state, but no person or organization from the VOTE NO ON 13 side is.

      You do know even the $1,500,000 donation you got from the Doris Day Animal Fund, which is based in Washington D.C. and is part of the HSUS would be considered out-of-state.

      Maybe you should return the out-of-state money which totals almost 2 million dollars since it came from the Doris Day Animal Fund, HSUS and G2K.

    7. Well, if it isn’t the second liar in command. Aren’t you out of state too. Care to talk about your partners, HSUS, those convicted RACKETEERS? Or how about when you tried to blackmail a West Virginia gubernatorial candidate, or let’s talk about your sister organization, ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT, terrorists, that is grey2ks president Dorchak’ on their website, and she does speak at their conventions. The Florida voters are becoming more aware of your criminal enterprise on a daily basis, and now the NRA sees through you, liar.

    8. Where did Carey get a veterinary degree? How dare they question a licensed and trained professional veterinarian. Typical along with Dorchak to be deceitful! Vote no on amendment 13.

    9. Carey, aren’t you the pot calling the kettle black? Where is your scam organization based out of? Massachusetts? Where is the other scam organization based out of? Washington DC? The Florida voters are on to your lies like flies on fresh crap. If you had any integrity and/or balls at all, which we all know you don’t, you would openly agree to the debate challenge issued by John Parker.

    10. Carey, aren’t you an out of state lobbyists trying to adversely change Florida’s constition, influence legislators with out of state contributions, and try to have a negative economic impact on Florida’s economy. You’re out of state radical animal rights propaganda is going to create thousands of unemployed Floridians, take away tax dollars used for education among other needed services, and decrease tourism. You’re also going to displace the safest breed in the United States and create more overcrowding of shelters because you’re group didn’t help with greyhound placement in your organizations own back yard, so why would anyone believe Grey2K would help in Florida. You will just solicit more donations from the naive, well meaning dog lovers, and do as your group has done in the pastby walking away from the carnage.

    11. Carey Theil, You’re complaining about an out of state vet and where do you live? You have no right to interfere with any state other than the one you live in. It is none of your business. Get a real job and stop scamming people with your hundreds of lies you tell every day. You have never been to any kennels. You have NO idea at all about the racing greyhound or their care. NONE. So stop acting like the expert that you are not. You are the biggest liar of all. At least I know for sure you’ll go to Hell when you die. God does not like liars and those who want to destroy the very beings he put on this earth. So don’t you dare say anything about anyone that lives out of state. How dare you! Stay in MA and mind your own business. Stop paying the politicians to lie for you. Talk about calling the kettle black huh Theil?

    12. You’re a moron. And also, “out of state” who lives a lavish lifestyle on the donations of those your perpetually misinform out of your own greed.

    13. They have reached the stage where your lies are being called Carey.
      Tell me , how do you live with yourself ? Truly , how ?

    14. Pathetic attempt to derail the truth. Great article DOCTOR Ng. I see no Dr in front of Mr Theils name . I do see a man who works to end animal ownership and feather his own nest by living off of donations from others. #NO ON 13 thank you for defeating this attempt to make greyhounds extinct

    15. Doesn’t Carey Theil live in Massachusetts? And hasn’t his organisation collected more in salaries for himself and his spouse than they give to groups that help place greyhounds in adoptive homes? Do check his IRS returns to verify that!

    16. Mr. Theil, if you continue to think the way you do after reading an EXPERT’S opinion about anabolic steroids, then you are simply a fool.

    17. And exactly what state are you from Mr. Theil? I don’t believe it’s Florida, is it? Greyhound experts can be found all over the country and can provide just as accurate information as those from within the state.

    18. Out of state or not, Carey, did you see those numbers posted by Dr. Ng? You never told anyone there were 440,586 samples tested. I can see why you would try and keep that huge number a secret. It really makes your 71 cocaine or cocaine metabolites over 10 years or 120 months seem like there really is no problem.

      The whole truth is pretty damning, isn’t it?

    19. like your not from out of state making up lies, your a tool and everyone is catching on to your BS, I would believe a Vet before a scam artist like you

    20. I think Glover, and the whole greed2k scam group needs to be tested for drugs, especially one that pulls a dog in front of a train to kill it and herself

    21. You bum that you are you couldn’t serve cans of soda if they put them in your hand never had a real job jumped on this baloney ass venture you and that other ambulance chaser never added up to anything either one if you we got a good wiff of the stink you two are selling here in Massachusetts you two are legends we have a real lot to work with two numnuts that you are I have said for years if you two degenerates wouldn’t help the Dana Farber children’s cancer ward maybe you might redeem your truth worthless selves

    22. Well that comment didn’t work out too well for you did it Carey?

      I take it this is why you won’t do a live debate?

    23. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting lies that you have no way of backing up. I know Jennifer Ng and she loves and cares for all greyhounds. How many do you care for on your home?

    24. It’s obvious that Massachusetts meddlers, animal rights extremists, ARE not really concerned about greyhounds as there are no safety nets written into their proposed amendment to protect the dogs. Committee to Protect dogs? I think not. Meddlers? Yes. #VoteNoOn13

    25. Oh, BTW, on the subject of metabolites, which are not “cocaine”, how do you account for the report of that a split sample for one of the “cocaine” positives was sent to UC Davis Toxicology Lab & it was found to contain NO DNA from a DOG or any other animal. One of Grey2K’s current registered Lobbyists, Tony Glover, was the head of the Florida regulatory body that oversaw these tests. Funny thing is he quit shortly after this “NO DNA” result was found to become YOUR lobbyist. That’s a FACT, jack!

    26. Carey
      Did you really just open your mouth again and lie? You have never been in a kennel or worked with the greyhounds. There for you have no right to say what is true and what is true. We show you proof and all you do is close your eyes to see what you want to see. Money is the only reason you see what you want. It don’t matter who tells the truth as long as you tell your lies and fill your pocket. You are happy.

    27. Couldn’t afford to bribe out of state vets or what? Are they less qualified in some way? What do you animal lovers propose to do with all the wonderful dogs currently enjoying being alive and prospering? Cat food?

  1. And before the fountains of misinformation come, Environmental contamination is not only recognized by competent scientist and the Florida Judge, but also by Florida Statute 550.2415(1)(b). Keep in mind these are the SAME fountains of misinformation that got a Florida legislator(Jarred Moskiewitz) to declare that female dogs were transitioning into male dogs from birth control even though renowned scientists differ (and common freaking sense). But Vegas has odds on Carey Theil coming in here to comment that Jennifer is “a last ditch effort to _______) you fill in the blank, or shes “tinfoil hatting” “gaslighting” “swiftboating” or one of many other stupid things that fly from his keyboard. The above, and many more issues, are why Mr. Theil runs and hides every time he is challenged to debate John Parker. I don’t blame him as he would get totally embarrassed in a debate. But stop being a little coward with your hit and run strategy, or better yet, keep it up, the Florida voters ARE catching on.

    http://www.suppoergreyhounds.org

  2. Sounds like Glover was part of the problem, That is what happens when you hire someone that doesn’t have any experience, He wasn’t doing his job, Maybe the State needs to test his Urine, I read his article and the first sentence says he isn’t an animal activist yet he lobbys for an Out of State Group Grey2k, That alone lets me to believe he is nothing but a liar and someone that is not trust worthy…. Protect the Greyhounds… Vote NO on 13

  3. The only thing this piece is missing is a mic drop at the end. BOOM!
    Thank you for this very informative piece. I can’t believe anyone thinks trainers are giving dogs cocaine. It’s the most expensive, ineffective, illegal but salacious substance. It’s perfect for click bait to drive readers to their website. But if you think about it for more than 5 seconds, you realize how preposterous the whole idea is. What trainer is spending hundreds on cocaine, risking their dogs, job and jail time to win a $90 purse on a Monday matinee race? Let’s be real. They’re not. Grey2k lies and just wants your donation dollars to continue to not help greyhounds in any way and line their pockets.

  4. Cary Theil, keeps commenting but still runs scared on the debate! Your lies and twisting of information are pathetic! Keep running!

  5. Says the man from Massachusetts.
    Carey, does it really…in the grand scheme of things, matter WHERE the truth comes from?

  6. Dr. Ng,

    Thank you for your factual and to the point article. When all Carey has to complain about is you being from out-of-state he is conceding their lies can’t trump your facts.

    Just like he won’t debate John Parker because John’s facts will trump his lies. When they can’t control the media, they run.

  7. Thank you Dr. Jennifer Ng!
    A honest factual article with the truth about greyhound racing.
    Vote No on 13!!!!

  8. Dr Ng, thank you for the very well written article so that people can see the whole story. The fine citizens of Florida need to know the truth and whole story.. #grey2klies #VoteNoOn13

  9. I almost feel sorry for Carey Theil– his rhetoric sounds more desperate every day. I say *almost* because for him to see a multi-million dollar funded organization go down in flames, has to be painful — for THEM.
    I have never been more proud to be a part of winning this battle. (And we are winning) #GreyhoundNation is truly a force to be reckoned with — out of a small grass-roots movement we have become a giant. It shows we do not need the millions of dollars when we have the millions of people on our side.

  10. VOTE NO ON 13!!!!! This will never pass, release the hounds!!!!!!! I think some people need to get some kind of life and get out of the house once in a while.

  11. Why are ya’ll giving G2K any attention above in the comments? That’s probably why he made the weak comment that he did – to detract from the TRUTH of the article. That’s what they do -spin 1/2 truths to divert.
    This article is about WHOLE truth. This article is an entire ad campaign to debunk the lies of inhumane treatment. Dr. Ng is not a HSUS vet who was bought out to sell lies after looking at a someone’s fact sheet on racing. This is her personal experience, review of hard data and working w/ the breed. #NoOn13

  12. Oh, Carey, as long as you’re here, I’d be remiss if I didn’t take this opportunity to reissue my numerous challenges to an open and public debate with you, since you continue to repeat that racing supporters (or is that “greyhound breeders” or “dog track promoters” ?) “are incapable of having a debate on the merits of commercial dog racing”. Let’s you and I debate, shall we ?

    Take your time — I understand that you’ll need a couple of days to recover from the bludgeoning of the United Sportsmen of Florida/NRA’s coming out in opposition to A13 yesterday and the punches you’ve leaned into here .

    But I do anxiously await your response to this continuing challenge to debate.

    John Parker
    Greyhound Adopters for Racing
    http://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com

  13. To me a glaring omission within this proposed amendment is there is nothing written compelling anyone to care for the displaced dogs.

    Out of the 12 tracks about 6 of those run profitable racing. With how the amendment is written, it is expected that those unprofitable tracks will cease racing January 1st . What business owner wouldn’t end a financial drain?

    Therefore it’s a logical jump to see these tracks, all 6, ending racing at their venue January 1st.

    That will displace 4,000-6,000 dogs in 1 day. That is far too many for all the rescue groups in the State to absorb.

    So ask yourself, is this amendment really for the dogs or the gambling institutions in which they run.

  14. It’s interesting that the best Jennifer Ng can say about the drug positives is that it isn’t as bad as horse racing.

    1. Oh Mr. Goldstein I think not – she points out that a – the drug positives are at a level so minimal they would not be counted in humans or horses, and b – that the percentage of drug positives is miniscule in the totality of the number of tests. What you are trying to overlook is that no “performance enhancement” effect could have come from those, and the dogs themselves were not given the drugs by mouth or needle (in the case of the cocaine metabolytes) and that the source had to have been human hands touching the dogs. Pretty pathetic attempt to discredit a very creditable statement. It’s all about perspective, which you and Mr. Theil of course wish to obfuscate.

    2. There you go decontextualizing everything again, Don. Look at the pass rate. What is it? Come on, it’s right there in front of you. But of course, propagandists don’t divulge all data — you guys in “Protect Dogs” are the cold-war North Korea with your narrow selectivity.

  15. I’m so disappointed that the comments made from Mr. Theil and Mr. Goldstein are not as verbally powerful as I thought they would be. Could it be because Dr. Ng hit it out of the park with her information that all can read and learn from?

    Almost 10 years of seeing hundreds of beautiful sweet racing greys retire and get homes from our adoption kennel made me see the truth. You cannot have dogs that adopt out so well with anything BUT care and love given to them. So Mr. Theil, I would like to encourage you as I have I told others: please visit a kennel and learn for yourself. What do you have to lose? Money? Reputation? A home? A greyhound? What is stopping you? I can go to bed at night knowing I am supporting the side that benefits the greys. Vote No on #13 – Good for the Greys, Good for Florida.
    P.S. I too am out of state as are all the greys/owners I know – we are watching and supporting our Florida racing teams.

  16. And all we here is crickets from the anti-racing side because their lies have been exposed. It’s funny since Kate McFall got schooled months ago on TV she has been in hiding. Where are the Grey2k keyboard warriors Eric Jackson and Fred Barton??? Probably rehearsing Justin Bieber and Nickelback songs for their upcoming tour with Carey and Christine playing in front of a dozen people every night claiming to be the real Nickelback.

  17. And I have been rescuing greyhounds since 1992. We have adopted 10 and fostered more than 50. I have been to the tracks and the farms here in Florida. I have seen the confinement, the injured dogs caged, the flea and tick infestations. My dogs indeed love to run, but they do NOT love to race. #Yeson13.

    1. Prepare to clutch your pearls, Don. I’ve seen thousands of Greyhounds competing in every running sport there is. Professional racing, amateur racing, lure coursing, hare coursing, agility, running wildlife (deer, coyote and fox) on our property.
      What they absolutely love the most, by a factor of about 5 times for lure sports, and about 10 times for free running in the back yard, is chasing something with a heartbeat and covered in fur, in the company of and in competition with other dogs.
      Good Lord, I don’t see how anybody who claims to have been around Greyhounds as long as you claim to have been can be so unstudied in the Greyhound psyche and in understanding the continuum of what they love the most. Free running not in pursuit of a swiftly moving object, lure or live, is about # 10 on their hit parade.

      John Parker
      Greyhound Adopters for Racing
      http://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com

    2. Oh, Don… Veterinarians usually require injured dogs, such as those with fractures, to be crated so they don’t reinjure themselves and/or destroy the cast/splint. They are also to be leash walked when they need to void.

    3. The only thing we have in common is I also have been involved in greyhound adoption since 1990. And I have 10 at home right now. Not one, even my racers who came straight from the track, had a fleas or ticks on them. I have been to farms, kennels and adoption kennels and NEVER seen an injured dog who wasn’t receiving medical care. You really are way off the mark! #NoOn13 #GreyhoundNation

    4. sorry Donny, you have been caught in lies in the past and have NO credibility, your nothing but a mouth piece for a scam organization, How much are they paying you,

  18. I’ve been volunteering for a greyhound adoption group since 2007. I’ve adopted 4, brought home 2 co-owned racers, fostered close to 50, and transported more coming directly from the tracks. I’ve visited multiple tracks, racing kennels, and farms in Florida, West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, and Kansas. I’ve seen content, relaxed dogs resting and eating in crates, happy dogs playing in the turn out areas, and excited dogs dragging their lead outs to the starting box to race. My dogs enjoy running in the yard, but that is nothing compared to how ecstatic and excited they get when they know we are going amateur racing or lure coursing.

    As a vet, I see loving pet owners who battle flea and tick problems. And I recommend injured pets be kept restricted so they can heal, which some refer to as “cage rest”. Are those reasons to ban pet ownership? Anyone who truly cares about the greyhound breed should join 85 greyhound adoptions groups in urging everyone to vote No on 13.

    Jennifer Ng, DVM
    Greyhound Adopters for Racing
    https://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com/

  19. I am a veterinarian of 30 years and have dealt with rescued greyhounds for the last 20. Virtually every greyhound I see has had a prior injury to the right hind hock. I always hear from pro-racing people how much they love greyhounds, but they can’t seem to answer this most basic question: “if racing people love them so much, why are there so many rescue groups? Who discards a loved one when they are no longer profitable?” Only in the perverted world of racing does a trainer send me a pic of all 3 of her greyhounds with casts on their right hind legs to prove how well she cares for them.

    1. Injury rate at any state/track that kept records has been about 0.5% of race starts. That means 99.5% of greyhounds come back uninjured after their races. My adoption group has placed over 1800 greyhounds over the past 20 years, and very few of them had any serious racing injuries. Anyone who has worked in greyhound adoptions knows it’s a small percentage that are injured and have past leg fractures. The fact that “virtually every greyhound” you see had an injury to the right hock means that you’re seeing a skewed population and are basing your opinion on limited information.

    2. Randall, Funny I see pet dogs with soreness all the time. Shall we lead the charge to ban pet dogs? Also funny how many people love their pet dogs, but there is so many rescue groups…….You should check out how many pet dog “loved ones” are in the pound.

      If you want greyhound racing banned, than you need to ban pet ownership, as the same logic can be applied to both.

      No on #13

    3. Dr. Randall, come now, be transparent. You are a vegan, animal rights extremist. You drive around in a truck with a billboard on it. You call it the “Take Your Blinders Off video truck”.

      One of your better comments, “If Bourdain had proudly paraded a human head on a platter instead of a pig head, I doubt there would be vegan infighting. Think about it. Elitist speciesism.”

      You are a disgrace. You have no credibility other than being an extremist. You are the kind of person that I worry about becoming a mass murderer.

    4. Randall is full of lies, a Vegan that needs animal meat to feed his tiny brain cells, I have fostered Dogs right off the track and have never seen an injury, funny how he sees them in all greyhounds he vets, sounds like a money making scam to me, bought off by the Vegan scam group

  20. 1. You are trained to look for injury and skip over the rest. 2. They do love their dogs but how many can they keep at home? 3. Rescue groups are adoption groups, other choice? 4. She cares for dogs 3 with casts on, would you rather amputate or euthanize?

  21. This is a list of DEAD GREYHOUNDS as reported by the state of Florida since 2013. It is particularly galling to see an electrocution among the most recent deaths, as the industry has had almost a century to make their tracks safe and have failed to do so.

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    JW’s Ku Ku Kiada
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    RJ’s Red Johny
    Puppy had not been named yet
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    Quirk Flanders
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    TB’s Allsparks
    TMC’s Cates Cure
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    1. Okay, “Yes,” I know you antis hate context and providing complete information, but how about listing the causes of death of these Greyhounds who died over a 5- year period ? Please also tell us the total number of Greyhounds living at Florida tracks during this 5 year period. Then, using that number, please tell us how many pet dogs in a similarly-sized population died from disease, illness or injury in that same 5 year period.
      I get that such complete information doesn’t have the emotional appeal of a list of deceased Greyhounds. But we want complete and in-context information. You may not, but we do.
      I anxiously await your filling in the blanks with the above complete information.

      John Parker
      Greyhound Adopters for Racing
      http://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com

    2. Yes on 13 once again in a decades-long string of no context-giving plays loose with context and pretends that context and cause of death don’t exist. Make a list of all the pet dogs that died in the US since 2013, you mass propagandist, since making lists with zero context is what you’re good at. And why did Grey2K oppose the Greyhound Safety Act? Explain that.

    3. Or maybe for balance list all the dogs that haven’t died in that period? Or would the percentage be very low that your point wouldn’t hold any value.

    4. Where is your list of all the pets that the SPCA admitted to killing 11,000 out of 18,000 in one year in ONE county only, looks like your not protecting dogs that well, another failed attempt by the YES committee

    5. Hey… YES poster!!!! Since you are so good at making lists, can you PLEASE list all of the dogs names that HSUS willingly euthanized since 2013.
      Thank you in advance.

  22. How many of those are actually race related? Why did Grey2k fight against proposed safety measures that were implemented at Sanford Orlando? Why did Grey2k get smaller kennel sizes passed and the tracks didn’t change them? Why won’t the anti-racing movement accept the debate challenges issued? #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies

  23. So now I’m sure as a G2K cult member you want to show compared to what. So now list the more than 25,000 or 30,000 greyhounds that didn’t die anywhere on track grounds.

    You forgot to tell everyone about G2K’s pie chart that shows 42% of those greyhound deaths were track related. That is your cult leaders saying that.

    Vote NO on 13

  24. By now it has become a common strategy of the industry to hide their cruelty behind statistics. So what if dogs are injured, killed and abused? Look how many races we run each year. Prop 13 isn’t about numbers, it’s about the exploitation, pain and suffering greyhounds endure in racing gulags all across the state.

    1. Why are you not banning pets then, Fred, since any issue you point out happens to pets more often, on an astronomical scale, and rarely in greyhound racing, so feel free to step off your ridiculous soapbox and address pet keeping, or you are a huge hypocrite.

    2. Fortunately through the work of many, Floridians are discovering that HSUS and your little Grey2k are nothing but liars who wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you in the ass. The various lies have been debunked and the truth is being disseminated. Stay tuned as there is much more in the coming weeks. When you come down to it, the issue is really the TRUTH vs the fountains of misinformation you and your ilk spew.

        1. Truth is many innocent greyhounds are abused, like the one being strangled in the picture with dorchak? The one being used to pursue donations to grey2k.

        2. There you go again Freddy, same old rhetoric. Still can’t get it through your kool-aid brain that an abused greyhound can not race. An ABUSED GREYHOUND CAN NOT RACE. Let it sink in there a minute Freddy. Because of the safe track conditions that grey2k fought against, injuries are very few and very minor. Another truth you wouldn’t know because you haven’t been to the tracks to see the safer track conditions that your lying cohorts fought against. Greyhounds are not killed, but you wouldn’t know that because again, you haven’t been to any tracks or kennels to know this. Just keep believing the LIES. You are pathetic. You have nothing to show for your claims. Show me some facts from injuries or deaths from the last 2 weeks. Not from 5 or 10 years ago. VOTE NO ON 13!!!

    3. What is the common strategy is the yes crowd never bringing up their growing ever longer list of fraud, such as blackmail in W VA, being in bed with racketeers, being aligned with ALF, admitting fraudulent advertising in Mass, Fred there and Dorchak being PROVEN LIARS. The pie chart showing where the 2 head liars keep over 100k a year while giving less than 1 percent to help any dog.

      On one side you have supporters such as NASCAR and NRA, on the other you have supporters like racketeers, terrorists, and casino interests

    4. Well gee, Fred, if “Prop 13” (it’s actually Amendment 13) isn’t about numbers, why do you antis continue to use incomplete, out-of-context numbers ? Why try to incite an emotional response with the hysterical, over-the-top comparison of racing kennels to forced labor camps in which humans are imprisoned ? Do you want to feed us the next anti line about Greyhounds being “forced” to race ?
      I can understand why you folks refuse to debate me or others. Debates tend to separate facts and logic from cheap appeals to emotion.

      John Parker
      Greyhound Adopters for Racing
      http://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com

      1. There’s a difference between using numbers to hide the truth and using them to illustrate it. For example, a greyhound dies on average every three days chasing profit for you versus oh we run thousands of races so only a few result in injury or death.

        See the difference? And speaking of debate, what happened to your definition of cruelty? Or the questions you said you’d answer for me?

        1. Why don’t you ever answer the question of why anything your side should be believed when you and Dorchak are proven liars and your bed buddies paid a witness to lie Fred?

        2. No, Fred, I don’t “see the difference.” When numbers are used, they should be used in full context for full disclosure and without appeals to emotion, not cherry-picked and decontextualized as you antis do.
          I told you that I know cruelty when I see it, and that I’ve seen it in a number of forms with respect to both dogs (including Greyhounds) and horses. I and 85 Greyhound adoption groups, the hundreds of adoption volunteers they represent, and over 1,800 members of our Greyhound Adopters for Racing organization believe that Greyhound racing isn’t cruel, whatever dictionary definition of the word you care to use.

          John Parker
          Greyhound Adopters for Racing
          http://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com

          1. You don’t want to see it. You’re using numbers to try and justify the continued commodification and exploitation of innocent greyhounds for profit which results in their abuse, injury and death. We’re using numbers to stop it.

          2. No Fred, you are using lies fraud and deceit, very adept at it too. Still no mention why proven liars should be believed.

            Fred doesn’t want voters to know of his side’s criminal cohorts.

        3. “Every 3 days” is a totally debunked catch phrase. Your numbers don’t add up. Funny thing about math, 2+2 still equals 4.

          This catch phrase came about after the 2013 law requiring that every death of a greyhound occurring on Florida track grounds be reported to the state, regardless of whether or not the death was race related, from illness, or natural causes. There was no effort or consideration when proposing this law to include safety measures to reduce injuries and fatalities and there was no effort to report the cause of death. Y’all were only interested in total numbers & not the dogs’ welfare. Now, y’all use this catch phrase to evoke shock, pity and anger.

          Funny thing about math… it’s science. It doesn’t lie, unlike the animal rights extremists. From May 31, 2013 through September 30, 2017, there were 438 greyhound fatalities reported at the Florida tracks. They happened over 52 months or 4.333 years and this equates to about 101 deaths/year, which is 20% less than your one/3 days. BTW, since you appear to be mathematically challenged, one every 3 days equate to 122 deaths/ year. When one considers that anywhere between 8K-12K dogs race in Florida, those 101 dogs (which died from all causes) equates to a mortality rate between 0.01% to 1.26%.

          Gotta love science & math! If I were you, I’d stop spouting the 1/3 days crud.

          1. You make a distinction without a difference. It doesn’t matter whether a dog dies on the track, or at the track that death is still race related because if it weren’t for racing the dogs would be no where near a track. Think about it, greyhounds are born on farms for the express purpose of becoming racers, then they go to kennels where their days are organized by trainers whose only job is to get them to race as fast as possible so they can make money. When they can no longer do that they are discarded by the industry, why? Because they can’t win races. Their whole lives are race related.

          2. Definitely sounds like Fred has been making trips to Colorado and bringing stuff back in his suitcase to Michigan and smoking it based on his delusional comments and his refusal to acknowledge the fact that the statistics don’t lie and that Grey2k is blowing things up out of proportion. We all know that one death is one too many, but it’s a much lower risk than it was 30 years ago or the fact that Grey2k fought safety measures proposed to reduce the risk even more.

    5. Interesting Fred. I take it you have the same thoughts about people who have died working to supply services to you? And of course I take it you have removed yourself from anything where there is a small possibility of a human death?

        1. Well Fred I continuously keep the subject on you and your president being proven liars and keep asking why anything you or your criminal cohorts should be believed, you know HSUS paid a witness to lie. Yet you never mention it, just keep up your same old distorted drivel. You always complain about someone changing the subject when that’s exactly what you do. I will say it again, NRA or Nascar has ever been charged with RICO violations, but your side has, let’s not forget blackmail implication. If you are on the good side, and we are the bad side, why is that?

        2. that memo came right from your group, thats why you cant stand the truth and your group is losing support, the truth is out and people are avoiding your group like the plague

  25. The many contentions presented by the anti racing camp have valid answers that could be clarified by a debate between the spokespersons of the pro racing and anti racing groups. I know the antis have been challenged numerous times but ignore them. The truth would be seen. What do the antis have to hide?

  26. The numbers and names that anti-racing extremists like to use to attack greyhound racing is just like their tactics with the drug testing results explained in the article. They post absolute numbers without context, and use individuals dogs’ names and pictures to appeal to people’s emotions.

    But you know what? Racing greyhounds aren’t immune to the same things that cause premature death in pet dogs. Some of them pass away from illness, cancer, and accidents, even with appropriate medical treatment, just like pet dogs. What they won’t tell you is that at least half the reported deaths were due to other causes unrelated to racing. Or that since 2013 over 30,000 greyhounds have raced at Florida tracks. The fact that dogs die is a sad reality of life, not proof of cruelty.

    For all our pet lovers out there reading this, how would you feel if your beloved young pet died of an illness after you did everything you could to save her. And then someone posts your pet’s name and uses her death as proof that pet ownership is cruel and should be banned. That’s what the anti-racing extremists are doing to the racing greyhound community.

  27. Fred, the only exploitation of the innocent greyhounds for profit is that of Grey2k and HSUS and their lies, manipulation and theft. Dr. Ng’s statistics show the whole story, not the snippets used to tug at the heart and purse strings of the uniformed. Recently the HSUS claimed that dog wagering handle was dropping drastically, an audit showed that they grossly understated the handle. Here’s another statistic, Grey2k and HSUS donate about 1 percent of their donations towards the actual welfare of the animals.

    1. I can understand why you wouldn’t want any heartstrings tugged on when it comes to greyhound racing. After all, these dogs are merely a means to an end for you–and that end is profit. Any dogs that are injured or killed along the way is, as the English say, wastage. Heaven forbid that someone see them as living creatures trapped in an arbitrary and dangerous environment; used until they are no longer able to generate money, then discarded.

      1. Are you watching Brett Cavenaugh right now Fred? You are no better or even worse than the incredibly sorry cowards who are putting him through this, you keep right on spouting the same old tiresome lying drivel. You won’t debate because you are a lying coward, you won’t mention your criminal cohorts, or your proven liar president, or that you are a proven liar. Mr Cavanaugh, and so many I know in the greyhound industry are something the liars on your side will never be, people of HONOR. You, and your criminal friends are frauds, always have been, always will be.

        1. After going a round or two with John Parker on the issue of cruelty and watching him dissemble, I get the feeling you either don’t know what a debate is or you just want to have another platform to spread industry propaganda.

          1. Spread propoganda, that seems to happen far more likely coming from the side who is supported by rackateers and blackmailers, right Fred?

      2. Fred, I thought you taught in East Lansing not Ann Arbor. You’ve been spouting off stuff that makes you look like that you have been smoking stuff that isn’t legal in Michigan yet.

      3. Fred never replied to the facts about being a proven liar or his rackateer terrorist friends. Silence speaks volumes

  28. Why is the campaign that’s heading this Protect “Dogs”? I don’t believe it’s any accident that it doesn’t specify Greyhounds.
    Is that so they when they move on to their next target they can just erase their mission statement and (enter breed of dog and activity we want to end here)?
    Not a chance in Hell I would risk having that amendment introduced in the constitution. You AR’s can say it will only affect Greyhounds a million times over. Forgive me if I choose to be sceptical of a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT (huuuuuge) that was written with one only one specific breed, or one specific animal in mind. Not a chance. It’s merely a stepping stone to a larger agenda. Be careful folks, pick your battles wisely. The NGA racers are fine. If you’re concerned about their care and safety …there’s other ways to accomplish that.

  29. The abused greyhounds can’t race dodge has been debunked several times because it relies on a very convoluted definition of what abuse is. You need to keep up because I recently reported on the deaths, of several greyhounds from May of this year. As far as going to a track, you don’t need to do that to read state reports of deaths and injuries.

    1. What you did, as if anyone was surprised is LIE about those deaths being race related, there proven liar Fred. Of course that’s only to be expected from the treasurer of an organization whose president is also a proven liar. And whose friends include HSUS, who, under the RICO act was fined $15000000 for paying a witness to LIE. I ask again, proven liar Fred, why should anything you or anyone in your fraudulent organization be believed when you and Dorchak’ are proven liars?

      1. Actually, I’m the Secretary, not the Treasurer, and as for the dogs, it’s not just me who counts their deaths as race related, the state of Florida does as well.

        1. Isn’t that comparable to being the secretary of the Justin Bieber or Kanye West fan club. They are mocked as much as Grey2k, they lie when they say that they are musicians.

        2. Sure they do Fred, secretary, treasurer, whatever. What you are, like your president, is a LIAR, simple as that, and a coward. Care to answer the question now, why should anything you or your fraud group says be believed when you and the president are PROVEN LIARS?

        3. Once again here comes Fred with another lie. Wow, Fred you must enjoy lying and deceiving your groups supporters. I’m quite sure that is a mental disorder. Please get some help.

    2. Oh Fred…. your posts on here are quite ridiculous. I was on the fence about the issue at hand. But after reading through this entire thread , it is plain as day that YOU are not to be trusted. I noticed that you never actually answered any questions that anyone asked you. I also noticed that the racing supporters answered all questions that were asked.
      VOTE NO ON #13

  30. Oh. Oops. I figured it was a woman since that person posted some BS and disappeared. Actually … that behavior isn’t really indicative of a woman…. but it is EXTREMELY COWARDLY.

  31. Fred, why in the name of all that’s holy do you continue to use the 3/1 when it has already been shown that at least 1/2 of these dogs died as a result of causes what would have happened even if they were on a couch? I’m not sure if anyone has asked you this before but just how many greyhounds have you adopted? And when was the last time you were on a US farm, in a US kennel or went to a US track? The problem with you & your minions is the answer is usually “0” and never.

    I don’t understand how you think you know greyhounds, their care, & the love they receive but continue to spout “statistics” without any context. And yet you continue to ignore REAL animal abuse.

    Yes, we are #NoOn13 supporters.

    1. Well the short answer is I do it because the state counts deaths that way as well. Beyond the is the fact that greyhounds are born for the sole purpose of making you money. That’s what their lives are all about from the farm to the kennel and when they cannot do that anymore the industry discards them. Their whole lives are race related.

      1. They whole purpose of grey2k is to scam money out of people by distorting and lying. The president is a proven liar, like Fred there, and notice how many times he has refused to answer the question of why anything they say should be believed. He loves, and is in bed with HSUS, who paid a witness to LIE, he loves ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT, a terrorist organization where his dear leaders bio is on their website, and she gives speeches at their meetings. Blackmail doesn’t bother him either. He is a LIAR and fraud, a leach on society. They are in panic mode now that a honest all American group like NRA, never charged with racketeering by the way, has jumped in on the side of truth

      2. No Fred! The industry does NOT discard them. The industry supports the adoption groups that place the retired racers into homes.
        Obviously you are a slow learner. I’m sorry that you suffer from a learning disability. Hopefully the facts will make sense in your head someday. Best wishes.

        1. Adoption is the industry making a virtue of necessity. Ask yourself, why does this dog need to be adopted? Because it is a greyhound that is no longer profitable so the industry is getting rid of the dog.

          1. Why does a shelter dog need to be adopted? Because humans let him down and there is no pre-arranged network to help him find his forever home. A greyhound has a ready-made ticket to his forever couch when he is ready – it was there for him when he was born and its there for him no matter when he retires. Why don’t you spend your considerable donated funds to helping put puppy mills out of business? THAT is the source of thousands of unwanted and unadopted dogs, not to mention cruel and neglectful treatment. People WANT greyhounds because they are so well raised and socialized by the people who raise and train them. This is not rocket science!

          2. Fred, please stop making yourself sound silly. There is a waiting list to adopt retired greyhounds. Too bad your friends at HSUS can’t say the same.

  32. And yet greyhounds have a 95% adoption rate, BECAUSE OF the farms and kennels. And I can’t speak for anyone else, and we are small race dog owners but the fact that you think we made $$$ has just given me my morning laugh.

      1. Yes, I would dispute a 95% adoption rate. I think it’s actually closer to 100% of dogs that racing owners don’t keep. A number of greyhound adoption groups are having trouble getting enough dogs and have waiting lists to adopt. So there’s no reason for retiring dogs not to get sent to adoption.

        1. Interesting that you’re so confident of a statistic with nothing to back it up. A lot of adoption groups are having trouble getting dogs because of their anti-racing stance.

          1. Speaking as a pro-racing member of an adoption group, it’s not only anti-racing groups that struggle to get enough dogs. Neither can we. You have no proof that there are dogs not getting either adopted or going back to their owners – except your trumped up “dead dog” claims. I heard just today about one of the dogs on your “list” that you claim to have been killed on a racetrack. In fact he lived to a ripe old age and died of osteosarcoma on his trainer’s couch. Your lies and accusations are really getting old, trite and obvious.

          2. Fred, I wasn’t referring to anti-racing groups having trouble getting dogs. I’m talking about a number of pro-racing and neutral groups who have waiting lists to adopt because they can’t get enough greyhounds in. When the industry has a choice on who to send retired racers to, why would they give dogs to groups who are going to make up stories, spread lies about them, and try to shut them down?

          3. Fred, you sound like that the anti-racing groups are “entitled” dogs, when in fact you don’t deserve them. So answer the question why should owners and operators give dogs to groups who are trying to put them out of business? Also why did Grey2k oppose the Rader act in 2015 to increase safety standards and injury reporting??? Grey2k is nothing but a bunch of liars and hypocrits.

          4. Interesting that there is mountains of evidence to back up your crowd being liars and fraudsters, such as blackmail implication, proven liar evidence where you and your dear leader is concerned, evidence of alignment with terrorists, evidence of you being in bed with lying rackateers.

            One more time, why should anything you say be believed when you and your president are proven liars?

  33. Vote No on 13 and for the record Fred Barton I am the proud owner of Kiowa Logan’s Run-a greyhound name listed as a Track death on your anti racing propaganda citing a dog dies every 3 days on track. A total lie. Grey 2 K along with the help of an obvious corrupt former state regulator are trying to mislead voters. We trainers have no problem with reporting but how many names on that list are factual. Here is a fact for you and your extremists. Logan was born June 2005. He raced until 2010. I adopted him and he became one of my kennel mascots. Because he loved hanging out with his buddies in the kennel I always turned his paperwork in each year. As kennel operators we are given specific numbers of crates and we are to keep our list current as we adopt greyhounds or move them to other tracks. Kiowa Logan’s Run lived in my kennel, but he DID NOT die from any track injury. After several years of being the mascot and untaxed, Logan died of bone cancer and was not at the track when he passed. Because I always included him on my list of dogs, it is assumed he died of an injury. No wonder there was so much chaos under Mr. Clovers supervision. Seeing my pet on that list help
    makes me wonder how many more names are being misrepresented. And one can not but wonder how long the relationship between Mr Glover and the animal extremists have been going on while he was in office, with the potential to taint the sport with possible corrupt practices for his personal gain. Thank you again Dr. NG for putting the numbers in perspective.

      1. It’s funny how Fred is the only one spouting his lies off. Carey has kept his trap shut since he got pummeled after his jab, last I heard he flew back to Massachusetts crying to Christine at how mean everyone was towards him. Eric Jackson is nowhere to be found, he’s probably taking singing lessons from Justin Bieber.

  34. Nice of you to care about shelter dogs, but we’re talking about greyhounds here. That is what you’re voting on in November. If you’re concerned about shelter dogs I suggest volunteering at your local humane society or animal shelter.

    1. You mean those local shelters where your partners in crime HSUS act like they support? When in reality they put 1000 times more money into their offshore pension funds?

    2. Thanks for confirming that GREY2K, “Committee to Protect Dogs”, HSUS, and the Doris Day Animal League really don’t care about shelter dogs. If you did, you’d put the millions of dollars you spend spreading lies about greyhound racing and soliciting donations toward actually helping those shelter dogs. Those are the dogs that really need “protection”. Not racing greyhounds who have a large national support network, more people wanting to adopt than dogs available, and close to 100% adoption.

  35. Well, because, as people like you have said many times, we care about the dogs; dogs are like family; the welfare of the dogs comes first. I guess that wasn’t an accurate representation of the truth huh?

  36. Well, you’re right about one thing, We have no proof about how many dogs are getting adopted because no one keeps those records. Oh, by the way: that means you have no proof that demonstrates that 95% of the dogs are being adopted for the same reason. Thank you for helping me make my point.

    1. Fred you teach at one of the best veterinary and agricultural universities in the country and it’s sad that you can’t figure out what cruelty is. My definition of cruelty is the inhumane treatment of animals. Being that you are the source for Grey2k, why did they oppose the Rader act in 2015, which would have called for stricter safety regulations and injury reporting standards?

      1. OK. Bringing innocent living creatures into the world for the sole purpose of making money. Then confining them for untold hours in crates, feeding them diseased food, knowingly putting them in danger of death and injury on he track, then discarding them when they are no longer profitable. How can you argue that is humane?

        1. By your definition you are opposed to farming also, but yet you teach at an agricultural school. This proves that you’re a hypocrite along with being a liar about the dogs.

        2. Fred ! Your 4 examples of “inhumane” are more Ridiculous lies and manipulative statements once again!!!
          1. The greyhounds are not crated for untold hours.
          2. They are not fed diseased food.
          3. All domesticated animals are at risk for injury ANYWHERE they go. Car rides, dog parks, fenced yards. So are human children… you must also think sports, schools and playgrounds should be banned.
          4. They are not discarded! They are placed into homes after potential adopters are vetted by the adoption groups.

          1. 1. The greyhounds are not crated for untold hours.
            Industry representatives Stephanie Elford and Carol Becker each confirmed in recorded interviews that the dogs are confined from 20 to 23 hours a day.

            2. They are not fed diseased food.
            As a result of eating 4-D meat dogs can be exposed to pathogenic microorganisms, including Salmonella, Campylobacter jejuni, and Escherichia coli. In addition, the use of 4-D meat can lead to false drug positives due to drug residues that dogs ingest and pass into the urine. According to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, raw 4-D meat “may present a potential health hazard to the animals that consume it and to the people who handle it.”

            3. All domesticated animals are at risk for injury ANYWHERE they go. Car rides, dog parks, fenced yards. So are human children… you must also think sports, schools and playgrounds should be banned.
            The issue is greyhounds.

            4. They are not discarded! They are placed into homes after potential adopters are vetted by the adoption groups.
            Greyhounds are placed into adoptive homes after and because they have been discarded by the industry for being unprofitable.

          2. Hey Fred… google 4-d meat for sale!!!! The first result is USDA Prime Ribeye steaks for $125 dollars. Coincidentally your list regarding the results….. is the same for ingesting any processed human food. Including produce.
            Nice Try

          3. I can understand why you don’t want to believe me, but when you don’t believe a trainer and an industry spokesperson ( not to mention the USDA) one has to wonder what your true motivation is.

  37. Well, because, as people like you have said many times, we care about the dogs; dogs are like family; the welfare of the dogs comes first. I guess that wasn’t an accurate representation of the truth huh?

    1. What Fred and his criminal pals care about is MONEY, that is why the engage in blackmail, slander, lie, welcome rackateers into the fold, align themselves with terrorists, and lie, lie, and lie some more. Isn’t that right Fred, notice he never answers questions concerning the mountain of proof were their deceit is concerned. Instead he makes stupid comments like ” I am the proof”, never commenting on the fact he is a proven liar.

    2. Fred I keep on truthfully pointing out how you and your dear leader are proven liars and you refuse to answer the question I’ve posed to you numerous times, just like you won’t comment on being aligned with ALF, blackmail etc. All you do is keep repeating the came debunked drivel. But, then, I guess that’s what whacko zealots do to ensure the donations keep coming.

      1. Andy, I’ve told you before. If you think the voters of Florida are going to decide this issue based on your view of the people and groups fighting to end the cruelty of greyhound racing, then you go ahead and beat that drum as loudly as you want. You don’t need me for that.

        1. Yep, they are going to decide that that dogs are loved and well cared for, nothing cruel about it. You should see the crowds at Sanford for kennel visits Fred, each day brings more, the truth, the opposite of what you say, is getting out. Notice how we are getting endorsements of kennel clubs and such, not murdering ” humane shelters” like you.

          It isn’t ” my view” of the groups on your side, unlike you, everything I say is true. Are you suggesting that you and Dorchak aren’t proven liars? Are you suggesting grey2k wasn’t implicated in blackmail? Are you suggesting Dorchak isn’t aligned with ALF? Are you suggesting HSUS wasn’t fined $15000000 for paying a witness to lie?

          Nice try to get out of answering the question, which of course, is, Why should anything you or anything your organization says be believed when you and your dear leader are proven liars?

          You should be aware Fred that the media is sharing girly man Stiel’s whining texts and emails freely and laughing at him, he is becoming comic relief, it is sinking in what whackos you all are. In Mass you didn’t have the powerful NRA against you, you’re doomed in Florida

          Tell me Fred, if the dogs are so abused, why are they always so happy at the track and retired ones back at the track going nuts to be back out there racing when they see?

  38. Kiowa Logans Run is why I’d take the list of deceased racers, ( God rest their souls, they did matter to their staff,) with a grain, mainly due to there not being a cause of death, where the death occurred, whom made that decision, & why that decision was made, and was it the only decision that could have been made? Facts AR, where are the rest of the facts?

    Recently I saw someone’s byline “You can’t expect anything new from an echo” Rather fit’s the regurgitated lies Greed2Krap keeps spewing.

  39. The fraudsters like people to think they have all this support, I talked with the general manager of Iowa Greyhound Park last week and he said grey2k organized a protest at IGP one time and only 1 person bothered to show, now here in Florida they are putting up old pictures of their gatherings. Remember the kickoff party where a whopping 30 people showed up. They are nothing more than whacko zealots, vegans for the most part.

    Vote NO ON 13

    1. No Fred… thanks for proving my point! Your search engine on google is tied to your propaganda group. The free thinking people out in the real world don’t get GK’s links first. WAKE UP FRED!!! Your masters have made you foolish and I see they left you here to embarrass yourself.

    2. Fred, you still have yet to answer why Grey2k fought the Rader Act in 2015, which would have brought in higher safety and injury reporting standards. This shows even more how much of a fraud that Grey2k is. Perhaps the board of trustees at your employer would be interested in your hypocrisies, after all they are an agricultural school

        1. Bullshit!!! Catey and Christine fought it and it’s documented!!! I want you to refund the Michigan taxpayers your salary because you spread the Grey2k lies I’ll add a $100 to that 8 cent refund to fight amendment 13.

          1. Sorry to disturb your biases, but what’s “documented” is the letter we wrote to DirectorLeon M Biegalski stating our support. You can look it up in the comments on the Bill off the DBPR website if you’re interested in the truth.

          2. Sure Fred, much more likely what Mr Laginess says is true, you will simply spin the truth, after all, you’re a proven liar. Still no comment on the court slapping down your cocaine lies?

  40. And of course on your site are all lies you constantly repeat.

    Tell you what Fred, Google ‘ CHRISTINE DORCHAK ALF’, let us know what you find there

    1. Andy, Mr. Laginess was my dad and he’s been gone for over 12 years. LOL Fred is nothing but a Grey2k spinster.

  41. The USDA has no grading that is 1D or 2D or 3D or 4D. Come on, facts Fred, from USDA’s site, not Grey2K lies. Really people are not stupid, do quit acting as if they are!

    From section of USDA inspection & grading of meat

    USDA Grades for Meat and Poultry

    Beef
    Beef is graded as whole carcasses in two ways:

    quality grades – for tenderness, juiciness, and flavor; and
    yield grades – for the amount of usable lean meat on the carcass. There are eight quality grades for beef. Quality grades are based on the amount of marbling (flecks of fat within the lean), color, and maturity.

    “““““
    What is your next Greed2Krap lie that we can debunk?

      1. Right, let’s all believe some blogger and not the USDA! The whole population of earth is not stupid, doesn’t wear tin hats and doesn’t drink the poisoned kool aide delivered by Greed2Krap, H$U$ and the rest of the alphabet soup of animal haters. Try again, maybe with real facts this time instead of more lies? hmmm?

      2. Fred, no word from you on the new court action that totally destroys your cocaine drug test distortions that you LOVE to spout, why is that?

        Once again you are guilty of slander and lying, same as the ” abuse” you claim. Hopefully a class action lawsuit eventually takes you criminals down.

        1. Read the decision before you post Andy. What the judge had a problem with was the process by which samples are collected and tested, and I can agree with that. There is nothing in the decision that changes the classification and legality of any drugs, including cocaine.

          1. I read it, and it gave Mr Glover plenty of time to tamper with the samples, after all, no canine dna was found in the one sample. And tampering is exactly something blackmailers and racketeers would stoop to, the whole thing was a set up

          2. Your right Fred for once on this subject. The ruling is that no chain of custody implies anyone could of done it. The Admin Lawyer for the DBPR just recently ruled the process is not adequate. So the blame could be elsewhere and we are innocent until proven guilty.

  42. I have also read many times about grey2k and ALF, grey2k and blackmail, dorchak being a proven liar and getting her start with PETA, HSUS and racketeering. Have you read all that proof of the frauds your side is?

    1. He proves that every time we prove his latest comment is a lie, but, the, after all, the president of his fraud group is a documented liar, and his cohorts paid a witness to lie so he fits right in.

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