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Kennel owner sues state over greyhound racing ban

Racing dogs that previously could be sold for up to $50,000 are now worthless, the suit says.

Alleging an unconstitutional “taking” of property, a Pinellas County greyhound-kennel owner has filed a lawsuit against the state because of a dog racing ban approved by voters in November.

Christopher D’Arcy, owner of D’Arcy Kennel LLC in St. Petersburg, wants a judge to order the state to pay damages for the loss of value of his property, including racing dogs that the lawsuit said could previously be sold for up to $50,000.

Voters in November approved a constitutional amendment, known as Amendment 13, that will shut down Florida’s decades-old greyhound racing industry by Dec. 31, 2020.

“The state of Florida, through Amendment 13, imposed such a severe burden on the private property rights of plaintiffs (D’Arcy and the kennel) that it amounts to a per se taking that completely deprives plaintiffs of all economically beneficial use of the property,” said the lawsuit, filed in Leon County.

“The adoption of Amendment 13 is the functional equivalent to a physical taking in which the state of Florida has ousted the plaintiffs from their domain and from any benefit from their property.”

It follows news of another lawsuit in the offing, announced earlier this summer, by a pro-greyhound racing group to “overturn” the constitutional amendment effectively banning dog racing in Florida.

Jennifer Newcome, who was chair of the Committee to Support Greyhounds, said she was readying a federal lawsuit on behalf of the offshoot “Support Working Animals” organization, online as Overturn13.org.

The latest lawsuit was announced Monday by the Florida Greyhound Association, an industry group that fought the constitutional amendment, which came after years of calls by animal-rights groups to ban dog racing in the state. The measure easily passed, with 69 percent voter approval.

The Florida Greyhound Association went to court last year in an unsuccessful attempt to keep the constitutional amendment off the ballot. The new lawsuit does not try to overturn the amendment but seeks damages under the Florida Constitution and the U.S. Constitution.

It makes a claim for what is known as “inverse condemnation” and contends that the amendment was a “taking” of property without compensation.

“People are probably more familiar with building a road and eminent domain, but this is the same thing. It’s just called inverse condemnation,” said former appeals-court Judge Paul Hawkes, who along with former Lt. Gov. Jeff Kottkamp, is representing D’Arcy.

“They don’t actually take the property, but they take away the value of the property because they take away the effective use of the property.”

While greyhound tracks face a deadline for ending racing, they were able to stop racing at the beginning of this year. In the past, tracks had been required to run races to offer more-lucrative types of gambling, such as card rooms.

Carey Theil, executive director of the group GREY2K USA, which helped lead efforts to pass the constitutional amendment, said 11 tracks had racing when the amendment passed. He said seven continue to run races, while four have stopped.

The D’Arcy lawsuit comes about six years after a state appeals court sided with a Northwest Florida farmer in an inverse-condemnation case that stemmed from a 2002 constitutional amendment that banned gestation crates for pigs, a measure that became widely known as the “pregnant pig” amendment.

A panel of the 1st District Court of Appeal upheld a Jackson County circuit judge’s ruling that awarded more than $500,000 to farmer Stephen Basford, who reportedly was one of only two Florida farmers who used the controversial pig-farming technique that was banned by the constitutional amendment.

The appeals-court majority noted that its decision was narrowly tailored to the issues in the Basford case, such as barns, wells and a feed mill not being able to be used for other purposes.

Christine Dorchak, president and general counsel of GREY2K USA, disputed the arguments raised in the D’Arcy lawsuit and said the kennel owner is not owed compensation.

“No property is taken under Amendment 13, and this humane law simply phases out an industry that is cruel and inhumane,” Dorchak said in an emailed statement. “Unlike the pig farmer who could no longer use his gestation crates at all, the track land and the dogs themselves retain value.”

In announcing the lawsuit, however, the Florida Greyhound Association said issues raised by D’Arcy also could apply to other members of the association.

“Our goal would be to sit down with the state and work out some kind of system that would fairly compensate these people,” Hawkes said. “They were lawfully engaged in a business that Florida used to depend on critically to fund their budget.”

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77 Comments

77 Comments

  1. Steve G

    August 5, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    Give it up Christine. This is just the FGA. Wait till you see what’s next . Not gonna be good for you so just keep spreading the same old tired “cruel” argument. Your house of cards will blow over quickly

    • Mellissa

      August 5, 2019 at 2:33 pm

      How do the dogs still retain their value? They become pets. Many of them before their career’s are over??

      • Erik

        August 5, 2019 at 3:30 pm

        There are currently thousands of dogs bred for the purpose of racing for kennel owners. You lose the value of those hounds after raising and training. In addition, hounds can be sold in auctions for values that can range from $3000 to $70,000.

        • Willard

          August 6, 2019 at 9:55 am

          The dogs are not tied into this via real property. This suit lacks standing based on the definition of the law.

          • Overturn13

            August 6, 2019 at 1:28 pm

            Animals are considered property. Just saying…

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 4:55 pm

            You had better re-read the statute to avoid future frustrations and bitching. The dogs are possessions, not real property. They cannot be titled and have a deed recorded.
            As teens say, “whatever”.
            The constitutional amendment did not confiscate anything or any real property. It just prohibited dog racing within the state which has been a regulated privilege. Not a natural right.

            FAIL.

          • Andy

            August 6, 2019 at 7:00 pm

            You will wait a long time for an apology from me, liar.

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 9:30 pm

            Andy, why do you reply to one comment in an entirely different comment? Can’t handle simple technology?
            Liar? How so.

          • Overturn13

            August 16, 2019 at 11:31 am

            Actually, the dogs are required to be registered by their OWNER. Their paperwork, which is actually equivalent to a birth certificate, lists the dogs’ OWNER. So yes, the dogs are considered property, just as is anything else that can be bought or sold.

  2. Christina

    August 5, 2019 at 1:47 pm

    Why does Chrustine care if the greyhound owners are compensated? Not any of her concern.If this is such a cruel sport why is it allowed to continue after a vote? This is far from over
    #racingproud

    • Willard

      August 5, 2019 at 10:13 pm

      It is allowed to continue temporarily so it can wind down in an orderly fashion. All constitutional amendments have a buffer zone for compliance purposes. In about 15 months, or well before, the act of dog racing for betting purposes (only restriction) will end.

      The sport is collapsing in the UK all by itself. All but the insiders and those with little else are unconcerned.

      • Mike

        August 5, 2019 at 11:00 pm

        Betting on greyhound racing will not end in Florida. The ban is for live racing only.

        • Willard

          August 6, 2019 at 1:23 am

          Read again – here is what I said:
          “the act of dog racing for betting purposes (only restriction) will end.”

          I never said betting will end. Apology accepted.

        • Christina

          August 8, 2019 at 11:11 pm

          Yes,just live racing ends.People can still bet on greyhound races in other states from Florida simulcast.

          • Craig Laginess

            August 9, 2019 at 5:30 am

            Betting on simulcast will continue and thousands of people will be unemployed thanks to the lies of Grey2k and the shenanigans of the CRC.

          • Willard

            August 9, 2019 at 3:27 pm

            The states will be dwindling. With FL out of the picture (more than half the tracks in the country), it will be just a short time for the remaining few tracks to close. It will be cited as an example and the lopsided VALID vote will be proof to others. There soon will be large gaps in dates. Even many tracks are closing in the UK.

      • Andy

        August 6, 2019 at 5:35 pm

        My only concern is the federal lawsuit armchair lawyer, one thing you say correctly is YOU GUESS, you sure dp use a lot of words to demonstrate you have no ACTUAL PROOF of greyhound groups being. ” held hostage”

  3. Mark

    August 5, 2019 at 2:18 pm

    as predicted…out of state lobby group sticks it to state of Florida and walks away. Taxpayers on the hook for paying the total bill. Sad that taxpayers were never warned that this was to be the other outcome……

  4. Joe T

    August 5, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    Theil and Dorchek (Dumb and Dumber) all we need is their lackey Barton to comment now with his dribble

    • Fred Barton

      August 5, 2019 at 3:01 pm

      Actually the correct word is drivel, as are the arguments for overturning Amendment 13.

      • Andy

        August 5, 2019 at 8:24 pm

        That remains to be seen fat proven liar freddo, under oath is getting closer for your lying cohorts.

        • Fred Barton

          August 6, 2019 at 7:29 am

          Well, that’s true Andy. I was merely stating my opinion. I am curious about one thing though. Why is it you think we will be testifying? That case is about the state illegally taking property as in the pig crate case. It has nothing to do with how or why the Amendment ended up on the ballot in the first place.

          • Andy

            August 6, 2019 at 7:44 am

            I am talking about the federal case, proven liar atheist Fred, rest assured your 2 dear leaders will be served to appear, let’s not forget the lies told in the CRC meetings to fraudulently get in on the ballot either.

      • Craig Laginess

        August 6, 2019 at 7:22 am

        Fred, shouldn’t you be preparing for your classes and not wasting Michigan State students tuition money commenting on a matter in Florida… Once again you sound like the village idiot that everyone hates. Don’t worry your sorry ass probably won’t get a free trip to Florida to testify in court and you will have to actually try to teach your students(if any signed up for your classes).

        • Fred Barton

          August 6, 2019 at 7:32 am

          Nice to hear from you again Craigie boy. Actually I could do both. It doesn’t really take much time to reply to the same old ineffective arguments you folks have been making for years now. I even have boilerplate ready to go for most of them since I’ve heard them for so long.

  5. Stacey

    August 5, 2019 at 3:33 pm

    Not sure how any comments from Grey$k are even relevant to this discussion.

  6. Overturn13

    August 5, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    I don’t know why Grey2K and their ilk even provided a comment. This no longer involves them. They came in, lied to the people of Florida and reeked havoc. And then, true to form, they wiped their hands and jumped on a plane back to their home state, with No ACCOUNTABILITY or care as to the carnage that Unconstitutional Amendment 13 left behind. Shame on them…

    • Stacey

      August 6, 2019 at 12:56 pm

      For real they got what they wanted now they need to butt the fk out!! Adding insult to injury. But I guess they just need to keep stroking their own egos like all animal rights activists and the vocal vegans feel the need to do frequently.

  7. Susan Anderson

    August 5, 2019 at 4:28 pm

    It is sad that people chose to believe one side of a story rather than use their critical thinking skills to make their own determination about racing. I, too, was anti-racing until I educated myself and saw, with my own eyes, that the dogs are well-cared for and loved. The percentage of injuries are lower than those of high school athletics and you certainly couldn’t perform if you were caged, beaten, and improperly fed as the anti-racing activists claim. The claim that they are crated 23 hours a day is laughable….just look at those well-developed muscles on a racer! If that was the case I would be BUFF as I sit on my arse for the majority of the day working.

    It is easier to raise money with a sob story than the truth. It is easier to tug at heartstrings with stolen pictures with inaccurate captions. Were there issues many years ago? Yes. Is that the case now – no. 100% perfect isn’t realistic as there are bad people everywhere. The racing industry has worked to push out the bad and keep the good. Keep racing safe…..safe track conditions included.

    To see the “other side” visit http://www.greyhoundchronicles.net or http://www.greyhoundfacts.org

    I’ve been placing greyhounds for 14 years and am the proud owner of 11 greyhounds (some at the rainbow bridge) with #12 racing at Derby Lane (pre-adopted).

    • John Willier

      August 6, 2019 at 4:40 pm

      AMEN…thanks for your accurate views on Greyhounds and racing. I have been in adoption since about 2000 and what I have found mostly is the owners love and take good care of their dogs. Also, the dogs like to race and compete with each other. There are a few bad apple owners, but the industry has tried to cull them out. Myself, I have had 26 foster greyhounds and owned 4. All of them got forever homes. So, I love racing and sorry to see its demise. After its all said and done I believe owners should be compensated for their losses in Florida.

  8. John Willier

    August 5, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    I support Greyhound Racing and was sad to see how it ended, but the dog owners certainly should receive compensation.

    • Willard

      August 5, 2019 at 10:06 pm

      Feel free to write a check directly to the dog owners John. The taxpayers (who voted overwhelmingly to end dog racing) are not going to share that burden.

      • John Willier

        August 6, 2019 at 6:19 am

        I predict The wonderful citizens of the State of Florida will open their hearts and pocketbooks…

        • Willard

          August 6, 2019 at 10:00 am

          Your comments border on the hysterical. 69+% want the entire industry out of the state And they won.

          • John Willier

            August 6, 2019 at 4:24 pm

            There is nothing hysterical in my comments. I simply stated that I believe the owners will be compensated in the by and by because they have been put out of business and the good people of Florida will rise to help them. Why would anyone have an objection to this simple concept?

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 5:02 pm

            John, The only people who will compensate somebody will be those that do it out of free will and not legislative or court action. That is exactly why I said to feel free to write a check to anyone anywhere you feel has a need. However, there are people out there that have suffered real losses who are far needier. Please consider St. Judes.

  9. Mike Anderson

    August 5, 2019 at 6:56 pm

    I’m not quite sure why you would invite Grey2k to comment on this lawsuit. Both Christine and Carey used Florida and amendment 13 as their own private fundraiser to the detriment of the greyhound racing industry and Florida’s citizen. The outright lies and deceit were reprehensible acts performed by modern day train robbers. They hide under the guise of a rescue, in reality they are a money grubbing lobbying group and do nothing to help racing greyhounds in any way, shape or form. Florida would be wise to think about the consequences of their actions of pushing for and passing a live greyhound racing ban. For every decision there’s fallout and Florida lawmakers need to own up to the witchhunt they created or reverse amendment 13.

  10. Willard

    August 5, 2019 at 10:02 pm

    The pro-racing crowd just keeps sinking lower and lower with their rhetoric. Threatening and sophomoric.
    A claim from dog owners does not have standing in this case, you will see why soon enough.
    Just one more instance of their biased and misguided directions.

    • steve grabarczyk

      August 5, 2019 at 11:47 pm

      And you will soon see why the Amendment and the CRC were a sham. Get yo popcorn Willard cause as they say “#$%t is about to get real”

      • Willard

        August 6, 2019 at 1:36 am

        Naw Steve, heard that your lawyers cannot even decide where to file your suit. It will be dismissed on at least 3 technical and legal grounds along with the fact that you don’t have standing.
        Using strong language and acting like a bully won’t work in the court system. You will soon just take your ball and go home (and beg for more donations).
        The greyhounds won, you lost, it’s a constitutional amendment from the residents of the state, not a legislator generated law. You’ll find out soon enough, your lawyers will console you after cashing the check. Use your next set of donations to help the hounds.

        I already finished my popcorn on election day!

        • Craig Laginess

          August 6, 2019 at 7:17 am

          Willard sounds like an armchair lawyer. Glad he finished his popcorn in November, now the real show begins. The greyhounds lost, Willard, they are working animals and now they are without a purpose in Florida thanks to the animal rights wackos. For now PETA has a foothold in the Florida constitution, which will eventually lead to the end of zoos, police dogs, mounted police units, animal exhibits at county fairs, etc. The amendment can be overturned in Federal Court and we have a strong case.

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 9:52 am

            The reason why you got blown away on the election is because of your delusional, factually incorrect presentations that nearly everyone can see is childish and weak. It continues from you. Most voters saw through it. The Federal District and the Supreme Court do not have standing in a state constitutional amendment unless it conflicts with the US Constitution. You may THINK it does and your lawyers will gladly take your cash fighting as you instruct them to. That part is shameful.
            Considering that this amendment was reviewed and corrected then fully blessed by the Florida Supreme Court, your attorney is doing a disservice by accepting the project.
            Honestly, you sound like a bitter old man whining about losing. No giant donations from the tracks is quite telling. A couple of small token amounts from the family associated with the emotions of it all, and not the business aspects.

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 5:43 pm

            Craig – oh, by the way, the dogs still have a purpose. Just like all dogs = PETs. The constitutional amendment outlawed greyhound racing ONLY. Amendments have to be carefully worded and extremely specific (that is why the Florida Supreme Court got involved and gave its blessing, something that a Federal Court cannot touch). Your allegations that it will lead to other prohibitions is hilarious and a shining example of how far of a reach you have. Now you have lost ALL credibility. A greyhound is not a “working animal”, it is an exploited animal. Police horses and drug-sniffing dogs are not exploited! 4H Animals on display at Fairs are not being exploited. They are not being used to obtain a profit.
            Is that the best you got? Jeez

          • Craig Laginess

            August 6, 2019 at 6:05 pm

            Armchair lawyer, 4-H animals not being used for profit??? Tell that to the kid at my local county fair that just received a $10k check for his winning steer, I am happy for them. I don’t Have a problem with people profiting off of animals. I have made a profit on the dog and horse races over the years. The true exploiters of the animals are organizations like Grey2k, HSUS, ASPCA and PETA. Their tax returns don’t lie when it comes to paying salaries and “other” expenses, with less than 1 percent making it’s way back towards the actual care and welfare of the animals.

        • Craig Laginess

          August 6, 2019 at 10:10 am

          Hey armchair lawyer. The only reason it passed is because of the money spent lying about the greyhounds and getting the sympathy vote when over 100 adoption groups and organizations like the.AKC, UKC, NRA, 4-H, Florida Farm Bureau and Nascar opposed it. We have a shot in Federal Court and we’re going to take it.

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 12:25 pm

            Your “100” adoption groups were held hostage by your threats to not give them dogs for adoption if they spoke against you. HORRIBLE and UNETHICAL. Nothing less expected. A tactic promulgated by a-holes and bullies (and losers). The groups admit it privately. Your admin is a distant wing of the AKC, so what do you expect?
            NASCAR? seriously? You are proving yourself a fool. Neither this kennel owner nor the OT13 group has standing in the courts.

            No matter, my facts remain. Whine all you want, you cannot dispute them

          • Andy

            August 6, 2019 at 1:27 pm

            Why don’t you present some proof concerning about the adoption groups being held hostage, since you are so big into facts, armchair lawyer? Because y ou cannot, that’s why. Simply more LIES from your side, funny you lecture us on ethics.

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 5:11 pm

            Andy, Once the last Florida track closes in 15 months (or sooner), and the remaining few elsewhere closes (a few years from now) then it will be evident. Right now, those groups are placating you with nearly all remaining in a neutral comment zone. They have facilities, salaries and fundraisers in progress to clean up YOUR huge mess. They have a love of greyhounds that you simply do not understand. They are the ones that perform the emotional and physical readjustments to the dogs that are cast off by your industry when no longer needed to support your cash cow. At least you no longer shoot them in the head for $10 each.

            progress!

          • Andy

            August 6, 2019 at 5:25 pm

            Exactly as I saud armchaur lawyer, zero proof of any adoption group being ” held hostage, and all your drivel doesnt change that. You are simply perpetuating a lie first startwd by grey2scum before the vote.

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 6:02 pm

            Andy, I am not going to subject my sources to ridicule or retribution and have them suffer a loss of supply-chain just to prove to you what has been said directly and inferred. Perhaps you know what I am talking about, I have the feeling you don’t. Perhaps you are not in that loop. The ones who know, know it. It matters not, you are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. All you can do is guess and threaten. Others KNOW.
            I see you as sick enough to bring someone’s religion into the fray here. Glad these dogs will be leaving your state and your side.

          • Andy

            August 6, 2019 at 6:29 pm

            Suurrreeeee armchair lawyer, we can believe you, after all, you are on the side of people who have no problem engaging in blackmail, get in bed with racketeers, just like grey2scum has no real pictures of abused greyhounds, which is why they have to steal and alter pictures, you have no proof of your lie.

            You see me as sick you say, that’s too funny coming from a vegan lunatic scammer like you.

            I suppose you know constitutional law much better than a real constitutional lawyer.

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 6:49 pm

            Andy, I am going for prime rib tonight (not an early-bird special in Florida). And I had a bison burger for lunch. Tasty stuff. I do not like most vegetables, but thanks for guessing and caring!

            Since I am getting no pay to be on any side here, I am more objective than your brown-nosers.

            I am done with you until you apologize for your nasty comments about religion. I do not care one whit what you believe. I really don’t. I promise not to say “I told you so” to your face. No real need.

  11. Fred Barton

    August 6, 2019 at 10:11 am

    All of a sudden you guys have a bunch of money to spend on lawsuits? Where was it during the campaign? After all, if all you had to do was educate the people about how great greyhound racing is, you could have changed the outcome and not needed a hail Mary to the courts.

    • Andy

      August 6, 2019 at 10:18 am

      I remember Aaron Rodger”s hail mary that beat your Lions one year freddo, but then you most likely couldnt care less about sports, being a girly man and all. Will your dear leaders commit perjury, or admit they lied and made commercials with stolen material?. You can rest assured Bondi will throw them under the bus.

      • Fred Barton

        August 6, 2019 at 11:33 am

        I get the point of your analogy, Andy, but the rules are a little more complicated in a courtroom than they are on a football field.

        • Andy

          August 6, 2019 at 11:36 am

          Right Freddo, exactly as with the rules of the CRC, where every amendment must be researched, and only one of them visited a track, and voted no. The rest did no research because it was in the bag all along= FRAUD. Could be we have a very good case, your side did like always, lies and fraud.

          • Willard

            August 6, 2019 at 12:30 pm

            Andy, why don’t you bring weight, sports and religion into this comment? LOL…..scarcity of facts?

          • Fred Barton

            August 6, 2019 at 12:49 pm

            Andy, if you have such a great case for fraud why have you waited so long so make it? The amendment was in the court twice before, rising all the way to the state Supreme Court where it was almost unanimously approved.

  12. Stacey

    August 6, 2019 at 1:04 pm

    Well aren’t you just a know it all. Where are you Willard UK?

    • Willard

      August 6, 2019 at 5:16 pm

      Know it all? No Stacey.

      Know more than you? yes.
      keep guessin’

  13. Andy

    August 6, 2019 at 1:06 pm

    That you will have to ask the FGA, who should have gone on the offensive concerning you lying fraudsters a long time ago. Rest assured that won’t be the case this time, that’s twice now you haven’t answered the perjury question.

    • Willard

      August 6, 2019 at 5:28 pm

      Andy, you are assuming that a court is going to accept service or a petition to dismiss will not be successful. It’s my guess that OT13 will not result in Discovery. Do you realize how few cases are heard in the Federal District Court? Your issue will be moot before long. And they have significantly tightened up the requirements for Petition Drives to the point that is now off the table. Besides, the timing for that is now impossible. How are you going to get people to donate again when the issue is judged moot or dismissed? You struggled for weeks to get the minimum retainer.
      When this attempt to parallel the gestational pig statute gets tossed (it will) perhaps you will lose your anger of your losses

      • Craig Laginess

        August 6, 2019 at 5:45 pm

        Armchair lawyer, none of the 102 adoption groups were threatened to be cut off if they didn’t support the fight against 13, they joined willingly knowing the consequences for the amendment and the impact that it would have on all other animal activities. Our effort to overturn 13 is a true grassroots effort, unlike the Yes on 13 campaign who used dirty money from HSUS and Grey2k. Maybe our lawsuit stands a snowball’s chance in hell, but it’s better than not trying at all.

      • Andy

        August 6, 2019 at 5:55 pm

        Mr Laginess, armchair lawyer has been asked to provide proof of hos claim of coercion, yet hw attempts to cloud the issue with long posts without even mentioing it. He is simply a liar, like the rest of his scam side. Sounds a lot like armchair lawyer Don, could be one and the same.

        • Willard

          August 6, 2019 at 6:16 pm

          Andy, sometimes it takes more than one sentence to demonstrate your futility. And I do not even know who Don is. Just one of the few people following this that knows constitutional law.

          Craig, there are laws and rules against frivolous claims. Nobody wants to see your attorneys called to the carpet. Perhaps they should have suggested you run a petition drive starting last November. That way you could have, at least, demonstrate a grassroots effort and show that you truly DO have a majority of voters agreeing with your claims. Now you are depending upon the Feds to get involved in a state matter that does not involve interstate commerce or transport. You do not have a snowball, you do not even have a snowflake. Perhaps a molecule.

          • Andy

            August 7, 2019 at 7:43 am

            I call you a liar because that is what you are, you provide zero proof of groups being ” held hostage”, exactly the same as other scammers when they said the same thing during the campaign. On the other hand, we have numerous instances where said members of groups say the complete opposite of what claim.

            Do not care to comment on being on the side of blackmailers, proven liars, in bed with racketeers and sister organization of a DEFINED TERRORIST GROUP…… ALF?

          • Willard

            August 7, 2019 at 8:48 am

            Andy, as I said I am not going to subject more than 100 non-profits to your retribution. And as I also said I can now see that you are not privy to the comments. You’re just a hack, a lackey for the pro racing few. It’s not your fault that you have no idea what I referring to. But it is your fault for insulting people about their religion or weight. You should be ashamed of yourself. The dogs won, the track owners don’t want you. Your lawyers are struggling on how to approach the next step. I am not going to prove anything to you because that would help you or satisfy your childish and insulting brain. There is a time and a place for everything.
            Too many sentences for you? Read any books lately? Bet not.

          • Willard

            August 7, 2019 at 9:03 am

            Andy, let me offer you this. I cannot provide links to Facebook here. But numerous groups have already gone public complaining that they have been singled out to be prohibited from receiving dogs because they have been noticed that they were gleeful about Prop13, or made a mention of being anti-racing. The ones on the receiving end of your buddyies retribution are already public about it. These are people who used to place greyhounds and now helping with other sight hounds. Your group are the liars here, and it is circulating in a clear and vivid manner. Disgusting.

          • Andy

            August 7, 2019 at 9:16 am

            Sure liar, I read all the time, Grisham, DeMille, quite a few others, Wall Street Journal every day, Facebook indeed, are you referring to sobbing Sonia, yet another liar, who was fine with racing until PBKC stopped allowing them to her for selling them on Craigslist. Also she is quite fine with polo, showing her hypocrisy.

            I repeat myself for the benefit of one with such a limited intellect as yours, YOU are on the side of confirmed LIARS, like Dorkchak, in court she had ” no memory ” of her supposed accident, yet recalls it vividly in a shameless donation video. It is you and yours who are pathetic and disgusting, ruining hard working peoples lives through slander for donations from people who know not what you are. Don’t care to comment on Grey2scum engaging in blackmail, or being a sister organization to a known terrorist group?

            As for religion, I’m Baptist, born and raised, are you another atheist infanticide supporter?

          • Willard

            August 7, 2019 at 10:43 am

            LOL Andy, I am not a Christian, but I am not an atheist. You always guess and guess wrong! The fact that you insult other people’s religion or lack thereof is very shameful and indicates what kind of person you really are. Please stay away from children. They should avoid you. You are a racist.
            You keep fishing for names, sorry I am not going to help you punish others. You have done enough. It’s over.
            I do know the legal aspects of your situation. Your side appears so crude,insulting and desperate. But at least you stopped shooting the dogs in their head. Your past has finally caught up with you.

      • Andy

        August 7, 2019 at 9:24 am

        All you are referring to is anti racing groups, of course they get no greyhounds. Still ZERO proof of any of the 102 groups who opposed 13. But of course that is the way of you liars and scammers, buffet loving Sonia must be your little fat buddy.

        • Willard

          August 7, 2019 at 10:51 am

          Answer me this Andy, are you 14 years old? Because that is the way you display yourself.
          Yup, you admit that you harm the greyhound placement program by restricting to groups that hide their comments and away from more courageous groups. Now it is public information. Thanks! There goes any chance for a petition drive!

          • Craig Laginess

            August 7, 2019 at 11:00 am

            The groups that hide/delete comments are the ones that were for the amendment. Groups that were against the amendment had no problems with people voicing their opinions. It actually converted people to vote no, because they discovered the truth.

          • Willard

            August 7, 2019 at 12:00 pm

            Craig, the reason why you failed on 13, and will again, is that you actually believed yourself!
            No matter, to those that truly know what is going on that is a benefit. It worked very well for them in the past. I remember reading about your supposed polls before the election and the comments made when it was pointed out your data was far from correct. A few of your supporters were extremely insulting on a personal basis (like Andy is here) on various blogs and Facebook.
            At this point in time, it is all moot anyway. Some of the tracks rushed to close permanently. All the others have an action plan and approximate or fixed dates for closure. The land is already being marketed (easy to find). Even if you win you have already lost the end product. Nobody is going to buy acres of land and build a track anywhere in the USA now. Not with internet gambling approved. Even you have to admit it. I hear TX is probably finished, the website has not been updated in a half a year.

        • Willard

          August 8, 2019 at 9:26 pm

          You got quiet Andy – told to keep your yap shut after incriminating your favorite group?

          • Andy

            August 9, 2019 at 5:35 am

            Not all liar, I have been out in the Gulf for an extended fishing excursion. Just like Freddo you are adept in twisting the facts, you have zero proof of ANY of the 102 groups being coerced. You call groups that engage in lies and slander ” courageous “,

          • Willard

            August 9, 2019 at 3:21 pm

            I find it hypocritical of you to call people that disagree with you atheists and fat. Unless you were talking about your favorite beer drinker!
            It seems some promises were broken by some of your pretend-buddies. Because you have no idea what others have said away from you. No matter. That information is totally immaterial. Even if you had the support of 102 groups out of state, you do not have a supporting majority of Floridians. Not with the new restrictions regarding the administration of petition drives. And the pregnant pig statute won’t fly with restrictions on in-state gambling on dog racing as it was regulated beforehand and there always was expectations of changes with regulations. The dogs and tracks still have value. Matter of fact, the racetrack itself has gone UP in value since the land will be more valuable as a casino/hotel or shopping mall. A breeder cannot sue a state due to a purposeful oversupply of puppies that still has a market elsewhere. But you will eventually find that out. And I see another track is closing extra early. By more than a year! Still think the tracks want you? REALLY?!

            Too many words for you? Get a clue. Just two tracks are sad due to family reasons. The rest want you to butt out.

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