Ron DeSantis hammers Joe Biden with COVID-19 comparison to H1N1 flu

DeSantis is re-upping a widely debunked talking point from a year ago.

Continuing to blast President Joe Biden and his administration’s pro-mask policies, Gov. Ron DeSantis on Friday asked why Biden never ordered school children to wear masks during the H1N1 swine flu pandemic that began in 2009.

“Joe Biden was Vice President during the H1N1 flu, I think it was the 2009, 2010 period…,” DeSantis said in Fort Walton Beach. “The number of pediatric deaths for H1N1 was like 1,200. And that was just one flu season. So that was three to four times what we’ve seen in the United States compared to COVID, and yet, was Biden talking about forcing masks on young kids then, even though H1N1 was a much more significant threat?”

Others, including former President Donald Trump, have tried to compare the Obama administration’s response to H1N1 flu with the current COVID-19 pandemic response, often resorting to hyperbole that proved to be false.

USA Today, in August of last year, debunked widely spread talking points comparing COVID-19 to H1N1, noting that while the 2009 virus had affected more people than COVID at that time, COVID-19 was far more deadly.

“Since the first reported U.S. coronavirus death on Feb. 29, there have been more than 166,000 U.S. deaths – more than 13 times the estimated number of U.S. swine flu deaths in its first year – according to data from Johns Hopkins University,” the USA Today piece noted.

Since the publication of that article, U.S. deaths related to COVID-19 have grown to more than 624,000, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and  Prevention.

The United States saw 12,469 deaths from H1N1 flu, the CDC said. The agency estimated 1,270 children up to age 17 died from April 2009 to March 2010. The CDC reported that as of Friday, 465 children up to age 17 had died from COVID-19.

DeSantis on Friday questioned why  Biden, Vice President at the time, didn’t order schools to require children to wear masks during the swine flu pandemic. He pointed out the number of children who have died with COVID is less than those who died with H1N1 flu.

“If you look at that, there’s a total of about 380 COVID-related deaths attributed to people under 18 for the entire pandemic. You can also look — if you’re COVID positive, they count it as a death. A lot of those deaths, quite frankly, they had other underlying causes. But put that aside,” DeSantis counseled.

“Heck, most flu seasons have more pediatric, a higher pediatric mortality than what we’ve seen over this last 18 months,” the Governor added.

Recalling the swine flu pandemic, DeSantis asked, “Did they try to force masks then? Why not? Why all of a sudden now are they doing it? I think the reason is, this is more political. They want to kneecap the parents and they want to empower teachers’ unions.”

DeSantis predicted that as the delta variant of COVID-19 advances in Northern states, “they are going to push to try to close schools again.”

“That is not happening in Florida,” he said.

“This is a lot of politics at play. You can’t tell me that they shouldn’t have had to do all this other stuff for respiratory viruses that were more significant,” DeSantis said.

“Given how COVID is such a small risk relative to past flus and other respiratory viruses, then will they be able to do that every single school year? Will they be able to do that for flu season? At what point does the parent have agency in any of this. It seems to be all they want to do is empower the government rather than the parents,” DeSantis lamented.

The Governor’s comments Friday afternoon came after a day of back and forth regarding potentially docking the pay of board members in districts that contravened the ban on mask mandates. The state Department of Education is moving forward regarding Alachua and Broward counties. Biden and his administration, meanwhile, are siding with the districts over the state, setting up yet another confrontation between Tallahassee and Washington.

A.G. Gancarski

A.G. Gancarski has written for FloridaPolitics.com since 2014. He is based in Northeast Florida. He can be reached at [email protected] or on Twitter: @AGGancarski


60 comments

  • Frankie M.

    August 20, 2021 at 5:09 pm

    Empowering teachers unions?? This guy needs to be piss tested. He’s a few bricks short of a load. Sad thing is half the jokers reading this article will believe the shite he’s selling them.

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      August 21, 2021 at 1:35 pm

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  • Alex

    August 20, 2021 at 5:11 pm

    So DeAnus is digging up old lies to try and save his do nothing fat ass.

    Pathetic.

    • Biden = Taliban

      August 20, 2021 at 6:36 pm

      Speaking of fat asses. What are you tipping the scales at?

      • Alex

        August 20, 2021 at 7:34 pm

        Odds are lower body fat than you, and without a doubt lower than fat ass DesAnus.

        • Biden = Taliban

          August 20, 2021 at 7:43 pm

          Did you play college baseball and were you the Captain of the team or were you just a fat phuck that got his lunch money taken on regular occasions?

          • Alex

            August 20, 2021 at 7:48 pm

            Lol

            You’re flailing chubby.

            You can have the last word, I don’t care what your personal issues are.

          • Biden = Taliban

            August 20, 2021 at 7:53 pm

            Alex, you have to take your personal attacks at our fine Florida Governor and calling him fat. If you are going to dish it out expect the same in return.

          • Alex

            August 20, 2021 at 8:50 pm

            Aaw, you cared enough to try and insult me again while pretending you’re the do nothing fat assed Governors guardian on the internet.

            How cute, and how pathetic a life you have.

          • Osama Bin Biden

            August 20, 2021 at 9:24 pm

            My life is just fine Alex. You take a shot at our fine Governor and I call you out. Maybe you are the one with the pathetic life as you have nothing better to do. You lay off DeSantis and I go away. See, it’s you that has no life.

          • Alex

            August 20, 2021 at 9:40 pm

            Lol

            When did the fat assed moron give you permission to be his failure of a guardian?

            And you keep repeating back what I say in the hopes of insulting me.

            Lol

            I’m actually kind of pleased, because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

          • Osama Bin Biden

            August 20, 2021 at 10:02 pm

            Funny as the night goes on your attacks become more viscous and personal. Now DeSantis is not only fat but a moron in your crazy world. Dude went to Yale and Harvard Law yet you call him a moron. Like me I would put up both of our resumes to your sorry ass any day.

          • Alex

            August 20, 2021 at 10:24 pm

            Lol

            Obama went to Harvard, and he was editor of the harvard law review in his second year.

            Fat ass couldn’t do that because in relative terms, he’s a moron.

          • Willie Brown

            August 21, 2021 at 6:42 am

            Yet Obama’s transcripts are locked up. Now why is that?

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  • Frankie M.

    August 20, 2021 at 5:59 pm

    I keep waiting for DuhSantis to blame Biden for the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

    • Tom

      August 20, 2021 at 6:15 pm

      You and Alex, two dumb ass Manchurians! Enjoy. Fraud is a stalkier!
      DeSantis who is a whiz kid whizzes on u!
      LMAO.

    • Biden = Taliban

      August 20, 2021 at 6:34 pm

      Um the clueless in Chief has a full plate. Will go down as one of the worst if not the worst CIC / President in US history. You must feel like a fool voting for that feeble old man. By the way DeSantis is a USN Officer so he probably has a good grip of military history unlike the draft dodger in Chief.

      • Tom

        August 20, 2021 at 8:32 pm

        DeSantis is America’s Gov!
        Great leader, monoclonal clear effort and example.
        Fraud Fried is a mental stalker.
        DeSantis is the best.
        Team Biden made him Gigantic.
        If POTUS does not run, Ron a shoe in!
        Thanks to Dums/Biden can’t defend our border, our streets and our Americans in Afghanistan.Total abandonment. Disgraceful.
        Big shellacking coming Nov/22
        Governor Ron, Marco, néw U S House & Senate majorities. Big night!

        • Alex

          August 20, 2021 at 11:23 pm

          What are you now?

          4 or 5 time proven liar?

          I forgot.

      • Alex

        August 20, 2021 at 9:59 pm

        America remembers who got us in the country occupying business shitshow, tortured people, spied on americans without a warrant, killed thousand of our troops and many more innocent people, cost us $4 Trillion plus and for what?

        Nothing.

        And tough little you is criticizing Biden instead of taking responsibility for your party.

        Yep, pathetic.

        • Tom

          August 20, 2021 at 11:20 pm

          Total Covid mental breakdown by you Alex in last 24. It’s understandable.
          Biden Afghan meltdown.
          Dums can’t protect Americans abroad, abandoned. Dums can’t protect Americans in cities, abandoned.
          Dums can’t protect Americans on border, Abandoned.
          10 million jobs, no workers.
          8% inflation, YoY. Gas prices high.
          Facts.
          Alex, you are an idiot. You and your Dems have a shellacking Nov/22.
          Your Ddm tard cocoon is getting smaller. DeSantis ahead by 10%.
          Nikki Fraud stalker. You are in the stick stew. Enjoy,

    • Jerry

      August 20, 2021 at 7:24 pm

      I think Biden is pretty much done. Even many of his own allies admit he royally f-ed up. Trapped American citizens are right now relying on the British and the French to get out of Afghanistan, while our woke generals at the Pentagon are more concerned with getting refugees out. What a total disgrace. I’m sick of liberals and Democrats putting Americans last.

  • Tom

    August 20, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    DeSantis is the best!
    He is America’s Governor!
    Not a fondler like Cuomo.
    Not a stalker like FraudFried.
    Fraud needs mental review.

    • Give Me lib but T

      August 20, 2021 at 8:39 pm

      DeSantis is a defiant opportunist who is running for president in 2024. He bows down to the orange clown and bends over

      • Impeach Biden

        August 20, 2021 at 9:41 pm

        Have you seen Biden’s facial color lately? Don’t knock Orange Man.

  • Sonja Fitch

    August 20, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    Duffus Desantis is willingly slaughtering Floridians and our children. Serve and protect Duffus Desantis! Duffus Desantis is a damn drug dealer!

    • Impeach Biden

      August 20, 2021 at 7:35 pm

      You are incorrect Sonja. The official drug dealer in Florida is Nikki “I need marijuana to sleep at night” Fried. Hang that “Joe Biden” yard sign proudly so all of us can laugh at what a dumb ass you are. I give you the Southern Border and Kabul as exhibit A and B.

  • PeterH

    August 21, 2021 at 2:43 am

    DeSantis just can’t keep his mouth shut. Every time he opens his mouth more embarrassing stupid comes out. The Lincoln Project will finish this clown off.

  • Jeffrey Abbott

    August 21, 2021 at 9:45 am

    “The United States saw 12,469 deaths from H1N1 flu, the CDC said. The agency estimated 1,270 children up to age 17 died from April 2009 to March 2010. The CDC reported that as of Friday, 465 children up to age 17 had died from COVID-19.”

    Correlation is not causation is a famous saying in statistics, but could the mask mandate imposed for COVID been the contributing for the lower number of childhood deaths? I’d like a deeper analysis of that.

    Likewise, could the H1N1 deaths been the driving factor to impose the mask mandate now? A “Oh shit, we didn’t do this before and looked what happened. Let’s learn from that and do better.” This could be verified.

    Last year most were masked. This year will be a test with many of them unmasked.

    My opine is it’s a sad experiment with kids to see who is right about masking and to politicize it is crass by all.

  • Tom

    August 21, 2021 at 11:43 am

    Gov did not politicize it Abbott.
    Elites have. Gov simply said parents have the choice. Thur know better not School boards.
    Don’t he ignorant like Alex. Be better. America’s Governor reads the science. Just saying.

    • Jeffrey Abbott

      August 21, 2021 at 12:24 pm

      Respectfully, I disagree most of that, but not because I hate DeSantis or conservatism.

      This topic was politicize all around. “Plandemic”, etc. But giving parents the choice was the politicization of it as it’s a public health question. Not a parental question at that point. Sure, vaccines can have religious opt-outs and fear of long-term risks I can understand. But masks? Why and how are they valid? It’s not really something up for parental choice. Do we all the parents to vote on a new superintendent? Not usually. Do we allow the parents to dictate the time and number of hours are for instruction? No. They are not parental choices.

      So unless those parents are experts in the science or have done the science themselves, they’re not qualified to make that choice for everyone about masks – which is effectively what’s is being done.

      And Desantis is no dummy. So, is it a question that his data is correct that other experts don’t have (and I assume he is not an expert, but has access to them), or that he truly doesn’t believe in the science or is he pandering for votes?

      If the first, share that data and how the conclusion was made for peer review. If it’s valid, then the “mask-it-up” experts can then take a hike as mandates are for not.

      If it’s because he doesn’t believe in the science due to bias, well that’s less forgivable ignorance, as it’s obtuseness. And it’s less of proof.

      I’m betting it’s this hiding in obscurification that’s keeping most supporters in the dark. “They cannot prove it”, “Show me the evidence”.

      But if it’s because he’s pandering to his base for votes and risking children’s lives, that a moral failing and is beyond the pale.

      I wager it’s the middle one. But to blindly follow him is the same people are griping about following experts.

      My quote on ignorance is from Issac Asimov.

      “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

      And not as a slight, Grammarly can help or you may need glasses. Your posts have a lot of grammatical and spelling errors. It detracts from your arguments, no offense.

      • Jeffrey Abbott

        August 21, 2021 at 12:27 pm

        I guess I should have taken my own advice about Grammarly or glasses.

        I retract that part of the comment.

        • Tom

          August 21, 2021 at 4:05 pm

          Hey Pal, spare me the liberal elite lost scriptures. School boards are corrupt, and they are dictatorial. The Gov said, parents decide. Do you have kids, put 3 masks on them. He didn’t say they can’t. Be a good Fauci since you are so into the sciences. Last year Covid ran bout 1.0 with kids per Governor. This year as a few weeks ago, bout 1.4%. Gov Ron study’s the science pal, He didn’t say kids cannot. Not everything is political and no he didn’t play to his base. My goodness, stop the whining. Go move to Cali or NY if you want lockdowns. Michigan’s Gov wouldn’t allow gardening or boating. Florida had 5.4% unemployment. It’s prospering, people are thriving unlike corrupt blue states. Nikki Fraud is stalker. Don’t lecture others on how to live. Governor Ron believes in freedom, Constitution and the Bill of Rights enough so that even those who attack him get to enjoy. U Blow hard!

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  • PeterH

    August 21, 2021 at 4:14 pm

    Tom….. you and your childish ilk are the reason voting Americans have abandoned the GOP. Return to some of your prior posts and reread them. Every time you or Ed post….. another few authentic educated conservatives seek the Lincoln Project or an alternate ‘never Trump’ organization. Keep it up!

    • Tom

      August 21, 2021 at 6:07 pm

      Dumb ass.
      Yo are idiot,
      Hardly,

  • Jeffrey Abbott

    August 21, 2021 at 4:49 pm

    Tom please spare me your bias thinking and repeating stuff without citing evidence.

    And as for your numbers are you trying to convey the kids deaths or infections rate was 1.0% last year for the whole year (with mask mandates and them being home part of the time in FL)?

    Are you saying now it is 1.4% (still don’t know if it is infection or death rate) for less than 3/4s of the year and school just starting without any of those previous precautions taken last year and only some vaccinated?

    Because sure, an increase over less of a time period makes sense as “following the science” and a positive feather in the governors hat if so.

    I might be a blow hard but I am not wallowing in my ignorance and name calling.

    And spare me your lacking ideology or what might be a lack of understanding of it.

    Go read the constitution and the bill of rights. Then do the Federalist papers and anti- Federalist papers. Read Bannons book on populism. Then Adam Smith. Then keep going.

    The Blow Hard

  • Jeffrey Abbott

    August 21, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    Oh and I won’t be run out of my state so expect a challenge.

    The Blow Hard

    • Tom

      August 21, 2021 at 6:02 pm

      Blow hard, no nothing!
      You know so little.
      You didn’t even know or understand The lack of infections on children.
      You are so considered about children oh educated one. Spare me you dweeb. Typical elite. Again, don’t lecture others. Fauci up you moron, put your 3 masks on. Your kids?
      Busted your balls on Constitution, BoR’s. You need to go to the blue states. Go get fondled by Cuomo
      Or put black face in with Northam in VA. Or try the Hitler want a be In Michigan. Dems can’t defend us in foreign lands, can’t defend us on the streets of America and can’t defend the southern border. LMAO with you, another cocoon liberal.

    • Tom

      August 21, 2021 at 6:04 pm

      Blow hard.
      You know so little.
      You didn’t even know or understand The lack of infections on children.
      You are so considered about children oh educated one. Spare me you dweeb. Typical elite. Again, don’t lecture others. Fauci up you moron, put your 3 masks on. Your kids?
      Busted your balls on Constitution, BoR’s. You need to go to the blue states. Go get fondled by Cuomo
      Or put black face in with Northam in VA. Or try the Hitler want a be In Michigan. Dems can’t defend us in foreign lands, can’t defend us on the streets of America and can’t defend the southern border. LMAO with you, another cocoon liberal.

  • rass

    August 21, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    Hell, Ron is not even “Florida’s Governor” because he is so hard on being presidential timber. I wish he would pay more attention to our State than chasing Fox Entertainment headlines. No doubt the high paid sell-out PR firm that came up with “America’s Governor” spewed out Rudi as “America’s Mayor.” Opps. Lap it up losers, with your “Make America Great Again” hat made in China. Or is it “Keep America Great?” As I recall, the MADison Avenue PR whiz kids, ditched “Keep America Great” during the 2020 campaign; duh. Trump 2024 – sponsored by Putin and the golden shower girls! Wake up, dummies!!! Read the labels on your Trump shwag.

    • Tom

      August 21, 2021 at 6:10 pm

      Jealous are you. You have cuomo the fondler and black face Northam.
      America’s Governor the best!

  • Jeffrey Abbott

    August 21, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    Hi Tom. I won’t be going anywhere as Florida is my home. And as an independent I’ll make sure the rest of the independents swing the state Blue until the GOP cleans up the riff-raff in its party and stops attracting people of your intellectual caliber. I’ll keep your goat as I seemed have gotten it.

    • Tom

      August 21, 2021 at 6:47 pm

      Hardly, I suffer fake independents
      ( real Dums) gladly. As if people listen to you. Don’t hold your breath pal. America’s Gov defeats Fraud or Crispy by 10 pts. Fraud is a stalker.
      Typical elite, probably school board sympathizer. DeSantis busting elites balls. You didn’t even know bout the kids extremely low infection rate Mr Science guy. LMAO
      DeSantis, Marco, legislature, new Repub majority in Congress 30 seats and 6 Senate seats Biden will not recover on this abandonment. Big wins November/22. Enjoy as Florida Gov leads way.

  • Jeffrey Abbott

    August 21, 2021 at 7:08 pm

    You think being called elite is bad? It’s a badge of honor, well maybe not coming from someone acting like a dolt.

    We will see in November when you get to watch Fox News call it for Crist a second time as Florida Governor.

    Your have fun you being a RINO CINO. I would say Get educated by the Lincoln project, but oh right you don’t do education.

    If I didn’t know better, I would say you were a Russian call center internet troll instructed to start shit, but the Russians are smarter than you.

    Ignorance is bliss and willful ignorance is the worst kind. You go live in your delusion and join the rest of the nutters in their mass psychosis. Enjoy your koolaid.

    The Blow Hard

    • Tom

      August 21, 2021 at 10:00 pm

      Yes Boris the blow hard!
      Not only are you dumb, You are stupid. Unique to be both. Congrats.
      Crispy and or the fraud stalker, flip flopper ain’t got a chance! DeSantis is shellacking the Dums.
      5.1% unemployment, the most seniors vaccinated, schools opened when your blue state failed, residents prospering, fixed major environmental waterways, major school charter expansion and freedom, freedom and freedom along many more accomplishments.
      But don’t allow accomplishments to get in front of hate. Biden and the Dums will get trounced. Crust is disliked by conservatives and not supported by fringe extremist lefties, no chance. The Dums can’t defend us abroad, our cities, and our border. Enjoy Nov/22 shellacking.
      Go in peace.

      • PeterH

        August 21, 2021 at 10:17 pm

        NEWS ALERT:

        The survey from the conservative St. Pete Polls was conducted on August 2-3 and it shows the Republican governor losing re-election in a hypothetical matchup with Representative Charlie Crist, a Democrat who represents Florida’s 13th congressional district.

        Respondents were asked whether they approved of the job DeSantis is doing and 48.3 percent said they didn’t approve, while 43.7 percent said they did. This represents a significant decline since a Florida Chamber of Commerce poll in May showed the governor’s approval at 55 percent.

        Joe Biden’s job approval rating in the same poll is 48.8%…..five points higher than the Governor.

        The Lincoln Project will destroy DeSantis just like they destroyed Trump. DeSantis’s big mouth full of stupid will assist the Lincoln Project.

        Today’s GOP MUST BE DESTROYED BEFORE IT CAN BE REBUILT!

        • Tom

          August 21, 2021 at 11:49 pm

          Peter that was a bogus poll,
          The reputable poll last week had Gov up vs both as do all others. You are a child. The Lincoln project did nothing, accomplished nothing and is a predator organization. It’s corrupt and shut down. Stop peddling your garbage you crap head. Crist or stalker Fraud will lose. Get lost.
          Lincoln project are jail bait.

  • Jeffrey Abbott

    August 21, 2021 at 10:16 pm

    Oh no! Tom the conservative zombie follower called me Stupid and Dumb. Whatever will one do!

    I know. I’ll go vote so he has something to whine about – like the “cocoon liberal elite Democrats” that go out and vote despite the best attempts to gerrymander.

    By the way, I know you think dumb and stupid are synonyms, but they’re not. Dumb is unable to speak. Stupid is lacking intelligence (something you clearly lack in spades).

    Oooo… 5.1% unemployment… oooo.. BTW that’s gone up since Jan and going up is a bad thing dipstick.

    Florida Jan 4.8 Feb 4.7 Mar 4.7 Apr 4.8 May 4.9 Jun 5.0 July 5.1.

    So the jury’s not out if the “Red” State will fail or not, so don’t count those chickens before they hatch.

    I pine for the days of FL with Jeb Bush and fucking Republicans that were not complete morons.

    You go in peace as well.

    • Tom

      August 21, 2021 at 11:58 pm

      You whine not pine dumb ass.
      Florida’s 5.1 is a model unlike what Crisp or Fraud would do to it. The Feds unemployment benefit drove it up. Gov disbanded it and it has dropped again due to him. Go vote for Crisp, he’s a loser period. Crisp & Fraud have no chance but tell yourself they do. I don’t care. Like I said you are dumb and stupid, you have proven It. Wear your mask in the house. Dumb ass.

  • Jeffrey Abbott

    August 22, 2021 at 12:37 am

    Ha! The funny part is I got you angry.

    By disbanding the extra Fed benefits, people would have went back to work and dropped off the rolls and , it should have went down, not up dipshit.

    And you don’t think it’s in part fucking Florida’s seasonal unemployment might be the cause?

    You go on and get your COVID you putz and pray you can get treatment. You just proved your idiocy.

    Ok I am officially bored with you and your stupid attempts at insults to people in your lunacy. Crist. Fried. Fauci.

  • Tom

    August 22, 2021 at 8:31 am

    Get a Costello for this Abbott. LMAO.
    Being called “elite”is not a compliment moron.
    You obviously know nothing bout economies of scale and or economy 101. The Florida economy had been re calculating with all the actual unemployment. The lack of incentive to actually work has been applied by the Biden adm. The Governors actual effort to eliminate the benefits has worked in getting people back into the work place. It’s normal for a blip up at first as people rush back in. Florida’s 5.1% is a reasonable place as it will continue to drop. You obviously know nothing bout the economy just like you know nothing bout science. Put 5 masks on you clown, put 10 on your kids if you have any. As for wishing Covid or anything else upon someone, demonstrates how ill and deranged you and Democrats are. You obviously have Covid brain. You sound like a Nikki Fraud stalker, creep. You sick pathetic human. Read Steve Contarno, , Tampa Times as the Dems offer nothing on Covid. Go flush yourself. I could care less what you think. You are a decrepit being. DeSantis by 10pts you I fool. Enjoy ! You gotta stay up later and get up earlier to play with me fool. LMAO.

    • Jeffrey Abbott

      August 22, 2021 at 9:04 am

      If you are so smart about the economy, why don’t you enlighten us as why the unemployment rate would go up as people “rush back to work”? And again, it is not dropping, it’s been going up month to month in the State of FL. It seems counterintuitive you dipshit and an attempt at deflection.

      Why must you revel in being stupid, all the while trying to appear smart. And then try to deflect by calling someone “elite” as a bad moniker.

      As for Steve Contarno’s articles, he has come across my purview from time to time and he’s not without merit in his craft. I’m not sure where you were going with it, but I will attributed to your “mush-mouth” rants and attempts at being clever without a cohesive plan or point.

      Tom, you’re jealous that you are not even close to being elite – but your hate has you aligned with being a piece of human waste.

      Turd Tom – you need flushed.

      You have a wonderful day, mask up, and and be thankful scientist created those vaccines, treatments and N95 masks so you can rail against them on a political forum.

      • Tom

        August 22, 2021 at 1:05 pm

        Hey Abbott. LMAO.
        Economy 101, when people rush back into the work place, the percentage goes up until they start working again and then it resettles.
        Florida’s unemployment is very respectable and is moving down further. Having people collect unemployment benefits only made it more challenging. Pre pandemic and post are always going to be interpreted.
        US unemployment was at 3.5% pre now, it’s 5.4%. We have over 10 million vacancies.

        Keep in mind that some of State tourism is still not coming back yet, jobs etc.

        If you are suggesting thst DeSantis hasn’t done a “A plus” effort on economy you are in a lonely place.
        He’s saved business’s and jobs.
        Unlike the blue states being decimated. He’s solid in economy and jobs and percentage reflect that.
        It’s Sunday, I’m out. Enjoy

        • Jeffrey Abbott

          August 22, 2021 at 2:11 pm

          Hey Thomas the Choo Choo,

          I didn’t say that 5.1% is disrespectable, and I am aware of the country average being a bit higher at 5.4%.

          Stop deflecting from the question. You still didn’t venture a guess as why Florida has been going up since January (month over month) other than “when people rush back to work” it goes up.

          OK. Why? What’s your rationale for those mechanics? And tell us how that is Economics 101? To expect someone to blanketly accept it isn’t good enough, particularly if you are not going to accept the science behind masks blindly.

          But more to my point if you look at the month to month data for most of the other states data, most are trending down or flat.

          Granted there are some other anomalies, but why is Florida is the only one that is trending up the last 7 months consistently? It’s like why is our case rate so high with the high number of vaccinations?

          And worse, is it a predictive indicator?

          You appear to be just as guilty in cocooning yourself without even attempting to look at the data as you made of the remark of me.

          It’s Sunday. I’m going to go be with my family. Enjoy.

  • Tom

    August 22, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    The unemployment extension made it feasible for people not to come back. That’s why it went up. No one suggested that it’s a bad economy otherwise. The economy of Florida is in great shape. Any increase was relayed to the extended unemployment benefits in the December Covid congressional budget deal. DeSantis has done a magnificent job On the economy. Feel free to try find fault.

    We are not in a court of law. Feel free to do your own research. Florida was in the high 4’s and was in the high 8’s or so height of pandemic and has decreased in the past months to 5.1. Because he suspended the benefits. There were 500,000 Openings jobs a few months back.

    Florida is doing well economically. I thing that’s the bottom line. When tourism and more people return to work it will get even stronger.
    Crist and or Fraud will have difficult time making any suggestion otherwise.

    • Jeffrey Abbott

      August 22, 2021 at 6:41 pm

      I did my research, and asked both an economist and a statistician.

      Your assertion unemployment rate goes higher as we “ rush back to work” is baseless from their expertise.

      While I have working economics classes at both undergrad and graduate levels I am not an expert but have 101 knowledge. So when you said it was Econ 101, I though hmm is he right?

      So I thought I would give the benefit of the doubt perhaps you may know something I didn’t. However you cannot back up the claim nor can I find evidence in my Econ books, the net or my network. Given the that and the deflections Your credibility just dropped to zero on matters of economy and big portion of science.

      And I won’t take away the economy is better shape and we are almost at full employment ( and are at full employment in some counties). However we were at 4.7 in Jan and we creeped up around a .1 percent a month since and still went up in July when the extra benefits were removed in June. I am not pointing fingers. I just want to know why and if it’s an indicator of something we should watch as a state and try to stave off.

      So Given the lack of credibility or ability to tell me how your claim works , I’ve concluded you were being a troll and pushing sound bites but don’t really know “how the sausage is made.” which is what I am after.

      As you said we are not in a court of law. Thus we are done and I’ll spend my time elsewhere.

      Here is your gift. I won’t engage you again. I will predict you will attempt to have the last word however.

      Good day, good luck, goodbye.

      • Tom

        August 22, 2021 at 7:37 pm

        You are ridiculous.
        I said twice it went up because people stayed on the extended unemployment.
        Every states economy is different and dynamic. The December package deal extended the benefits that had expired in early August/sept on 20. Pelosi refused to make the deal back then. This is a meaningless discussion. As if you know anything.
        I’ve Educated you on everything. Somehow you attempted to DeSantis and the economy the issue. It’s a 100 yr pandemic nothing is the same.
        Why isn’t U S economy now at 3.5 when it was in Jan/Feb. of 20?
        Florida’s employment is very strong, it went up from the mid 4’s pre pandemic to high 8’s or greater. It has reduced once again to 5.1. That is wonderfully Strong. It will drop lower when the full economy kicks in. Not only are you offensive but extremely rude. You called, you checked, you know. Go be a good Fauci,
        Put 5 Masks on.

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