Jim Rosica
Supporters of a constitutional ban on betting on greyhound racing have fired back with their own letter after ban opponents served a cease and desist letter on the group.
The upshot: The Committee to Protect Dogs on Friday said the videos – made by artist Jeff Sonksen – used in an online ad by the Protect Dogs — Yes on 13 campaign aren’t copyrighted. And even if they are, they fall under what’s called the “fair use” exception.
Amendment 13, placed on the November statewide ballot by the 2017-18 Constitution Revision Commission, would outlaw betting on dog races in Florida beginning in 2021.
Greyhound owners and breeders, who oppose the ban, have challenged the proposed amendment in court; a trial is set for next month in Tallahassee. Proposed amendments need at least 60 percent approval to be added to the state constitution.
The committee was responding to a letter sent earlier this week by the Committee to Support Greyhounds, which opposes the ban, on behalf of Sonksen. It said Sonksen’s work was used and altered without his permission, asking the campaign to take down the ad.
Nope, said Leonard Collins, the Broad and Cassel lawyer representing the dog-racing ban proponents.
Sonksen “owns no such copyright and a search of the public catalog of copyrighted material reveals that neither Mr. Sonksen nor Paint the Trail (his company) have secured any copyrights whatsoever,” he wrote.
The U.S. Copyright Office says that “in general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created.” But authors and artists have to register if they “wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work.”
“While Mr. Sonksen’s videos are not copyrighted, even if they were, … there are limitations on exclusive rights, in this instance for the use of copyrighted video, for fair use under certain circumstances,” Collins wrote.
Fair use “is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and ‘transformative’ purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work,” said Rich Stim, a lawyer writing on Stanford University Libraries’ Copyright & Fair Use blog.
“Such uses can be done without permission from the copyright owner,” Stim wrote. “In other words, fair use is a defense against a claim of copyright infringement.”
The committee “noticed that these videos depict the cruel conditions that greyhounds suffer at race tracks in Florida,” Collins wrote. “Indeed, people should see these videos and judge for themselves as whether these conditions are inhumane.
“In our view, the videos that you referenced in the Cease and Desist Notice (do) not reflect any improper conduct,” he added.
“To the contrary, these actions are well in line with political campaigns around the country. While we understand your client’s frustration, as the release of these videos was clearly an unforced error, the committee’s actions have been entirely professional and in line with state and federal law.”
The amendment would allow other gambling at tracks, such as card games, to continue even after dog racing ends. In Florida, live dog racing is still conducted at 12 tracks.
Jennifer Newcome, chairman of the Committee to Support Greyhounds, had said her group was “happy to support Mr. Sonksen’s measures to get justice not only for himself, but also for all of the greyhounds.”
256 comments
JRTomlin
June 29, 2018 at 4:54 pm
A political campaign does NOT fall under Fair Use which allows BRIEF EXCERPTS of copyrighted material for literary criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research, without the need for permission from or payment to the copyright holder.
And appealing to Fair Use, which only applies to material under copyright, is an admission that it IS copyrighted. Any work is copyrighted unless the owner of the copyright gives up their rights. What you are doing is stealing someone’s work. Not so nice and this campaign, which has had my support, just lost it.
Greg Morse
June 29, 2018 at 5:56 pm
You my friend JR hit the nail on the head !
Vote No on 13 !!
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 6:17 pm
There is considerably more detail contained in the letter attached to the article that specifically addresses your points. It seems quite clear that the material is not copyrighted. Even if Sonksen had gone to the effort of copyrighting the material, though, the use by the Committee would still not amount to an infringment.
Greg Morse
June 29, 2018 at 6:21 pm
Shame that the mothership has to steal, lie n beg for money to get your propaganda point across ! So sad, you lost one vote already, thanks to the mothership stealing !
Greg Morse
June 29, 2018 at 6:17 pm
You my friend JR hit the nail on the head !
Vote No On 13 !!!
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:14 pm
Very well put and I am positive the judge will see it that way as well
Patricia
June 29, 2018 at 5:55 pm
So G2K & their offshoot Dog Protector campaign are saying the FL greyhound industry is wanting to suppress and prevent the public from seeing the conditions of racing greyhounds in Florida. That’s laughable considering the number of kennels that have invited & allowed Mr. Sonksen to film the daily activities of kennel life. The kennels had full knowledge of the videos being posted to social media to give FL voters the truth. One group of voters toured a track and kennel a few weeks ago at SOKC. This is not the Southern hospitality to spread if you are trying to hide something you don’t want the public to see. The true argument is G2K taking snippets of video out of context to push their agenda and distort the truth.
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 6:19 pm
If Sonksen and the Florida greyhound industry are so proud of what he’s posting, why are they opposed to it being shown to a wider swath of the public?
Greg Morse
June 29, 2018 at 6:28 pm
Because your peeps slow it down to make it look so sad for your supporters do they donate more n to feel sorry for the hounds, nice try thieves !
Patricia
June 29, 2018 at 6:42 pm
Your organization is the one proclaiming that Mr. Sonksen and the industry are opposed to showing the videos. His videos are up on several websites and shared all over Facebook, Twitter, etc; so to say he is opposed to spreading his videos is ridiculous. However when you slice down his videos to fit one’s agenda, then you will run into opposition. Rather why is Grey2K and the Dog Campaign opposed to showing his videos in its entirely?
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 6:47 pm
“Slice down his videos.” You mean, use excerpts to highlight salient points. Your complaint about anyone opposing the videos is a strawman argument – nobody has expressed such opposition.
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 8:12 pm
Because it was altered, boy you are dense sometimes. But they will let a judge decide who is right, not your two bit ambulance chaser.
Beth
June 29, 2018 at 9:23 pm
He’s not ashamed of it being shown… stealing someone’s photos and videos though that’s a whole different issue. It’s bad when the only video and photos the antiracing people have are stolen… says a lot
Schember
June 29, 2018 at 11:20 pm
All on Youtube is open to public. He chose that platform
Beth
June 30, 2018 at 7:27 am
Again regardless of the platform it doesn’t give anyone the right to steal someone’s footage and alter it to fit your agenda. It’s so telling that the only way you can show “abuse@ is by stealing and altering footage.
Carey Theil
June 29, 2018 at 6:30 pm
A sampling of quotes by dog track promoter Jeff Sonksen, about the same footage of greyhound confinement at Florida dog tracks that he is now trying to suppress:
“This is without a doubt …. the truth about greyhound racing.” (1/13/2018)
“Showing you people the absolute truth about greyhound racing in this country. You can not deny the video evidence.” (1/24/2018)
“I’ll reveal the truth to you one episode at a time.” (12/8/2017)
“I want everyone to know the truth. I want all of you to see the truth through my videos.” (12/23/2017)
“Truth is always the most important thing.” (12/5/2017)
Craig Laginess
June 29, 2018 at 6:53 pm
Carey, either stop taking a salary from Grey2k or donate it towards the welfare of the dogs. It’s well documented that only one percent of Grey2k’s funds actually go to the dogs. Also quit manipulating the truth. Vote NO on 13.
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 8:13 pm
LOL Carey, the TRUTH is something you would know nothing about, even if it bit you in the rear end. You altered the footage, enjoy your follies now while you can.
Randy Thomoson
June 29, 2018 at 8:43 pm
Theil, you and your wife are frauds. How is it that You’re not in jail? Soon, hopefully.
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:34 pm
Can you ever tell the truth Carey? God you are dense and you will be exposed for the charlatan you are. ALL his videos are in plain sight for ANYONE in the world to watch -FACT. You took clips of his videos and ALTERED them so they appear to represent something the original does not. If you are that stupid 1- to think intelligent people will not see through your post with all the quotes above and 2 – that you actually made a coherent argument, you have another thing coming. This ain’t MA Dorothy and you will be looking for a real job when this is all over. The people of Florida are not that gullible.
Francesca
July 6, 2018 at 9:44 am
You mean the same that your lying partner in crime gave in reference to her ” accident”? In the shameless video plugging for donations she provides explicit detail of her ” accident “, yet in court transcripts when she sued the transportation authority ( and lost of course ), she has no ” no memory ” of the accident. So, is she lying in the video, or committing perjury in court? Perjury means LYING.
Mary Stewart
June 29, 2018 at 6:34 pm
I’ve been involved with greyhound rescue for 15 years. I’ve been to kennels and farms and was explicitly told not to photograph or videotape a anything. As a matter of fact I was also at a meeting at the Sanford Orlando Kennel Club as legal counsel for an adoption group where the track manager told all of the adoption groups that if anything they witnessed while picking up dogs ever appeared online they would stop letting them have any dogs and would put all of them down!
That is in complete contrast to this fantastical notion that anyone can go at any time and film whatever they want. The person they allow in to film is an insider. He even got the previous Director of Operations at the dog track elected to Longwood City Commission. It’s too bad if he doesn’t understand what it means when you put something online for all to see. And obviously it’s enen more painful when you realize others can see the abuse and you don’t because you really don’t care.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 30, 2018 at 11:21 am
You couldn’t be any more wrong in these ridiculous statements. Jeff is NOT an insider. PROVE IT! He was as AR as you morons are and he was SMART enough to open his mind and take a look for himself. You AR’S are too damn chicken to go see for yourselves. He found out the TRUTH and the truth is these dogs are not abused or neglected in any way, shape or form. Why don’t you all just stop lying already? At least we all know none of you will ever go to Heaven when you die. God does not like liars. If any of you had a lick of common sense you would realize an abused or neglected greyhound wouldn’t be able to race, but since none of you have any common sense, you’ll continue to believe the lies. So come on, prove that Jeff is an insider. I’ll wait.
Anne Fritz
June 30, 2018 at 11:59 am
Mary, I was like you many years ago, but I learned, I educated myself, I talked to people, I went in kennels.
I got my first retired racer 15 years ago, started to get involved with greyhounds.
I now have three racing greyhounds one of which is actively racing. You should see his excitement of suiting up and getting on that track ! He loves to race and his kennel people take very good care of him! I’ve been in his kennel ,saw what he eats, how he is living and if I thought for one minute that there was ANYTHING hidden or abusive I would be the first one to speak up! I love my dogs and so do the kennels !
Go see for yourself, learn, educate and witness behind the scenes !
Dick Ciampa
June 29, 2018 at 6:55 pm
Carey,
Jeff does and is getting the truth out with his videos, what he doesn’t want or need is you putting your evil spin on his videos.
Kelly Faircloth
June 29, 2018 at 6:55 pm
What matters here is the truth. The truth about the way greyhounds are confined for 20+ hours daily. The truth that greyhound racing kills… to the tune of almost 500 dogs since 2013. That’s ONLY on track property. Doesn’t count when they take the dogs off the track property, or when the dogs die at the farms.
The truth is that greyhound racing costs more than it brings in, IF you can get pst the fact that it is cruel and inhumane.
The truth is that Floridians are better than this, and they will #VoteYesOn13, for the greyhounds.
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 8:15 pm
Go play your broken record Kelly, it’s getting old. As I told your boss Carey, enjoy the follies while you can.
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:51 pm
What if a human was confined to a bed 20 hours a day/7 days a week/365 days a year as you are claiming the dogs are.
How would they even be able to jump out of the top crate much less be able to walk. I think they call it atrophy would set in? I’m not a doctor but my son is pre med.
How could they even run much less on a track at 45 MPH being confined like that.
A human couldn’t and a dog is WAY more fragile than a human. I mean the lies are way over the top from you people, but to think people are that gullible to believe the crap you are peddling???
Charlene
June 30, 2018 at 12:37 am
Amen Kelly. We will never know how many greys die because they won’t tell us.
Jennifer Newcome
June 30, 2018 at 12:15 pm
Apparently you missed the memo… Death reporting has been required for FL racing greyhounds since 2013. Perhaps you should educate yourself before making statments that are simply not true.
Christine Dorchak, Esq.
June 29, 2018 at 7:00 pm
A properly registered political committee has full rights to offer evidence of its position in a related matter of public interest. The Fair Use Doctrine is implicated as are protections against SLAPP suits — lawsuits brought to intentionally try and silence others. SLAPP = strategic litigation against public participation. Case in point: The old Wonderland dog track owner had to repay the Grey2K Committee for all its attorney fees because it had First Amendment and Fair Use rights to rebroadcast public comments he made defending dog racing. Charlie Sarkis paid out $40,000 for his false and harassing claim. See Sarkis v. Grey2K, 21 Mass.L.Rptr. 173 (Suffolk Superior Court (2006) (dismissed as SLAPP suit, attorney fees paid to ballot initiative committee). Now nearly 20 years later, dog racing defenders are still using the same, failed strategy. They need to stop trying to sue their way out of a cruel, inhumane and outdated business and realize that the time has come to phase out dog racing and Protect Dogs – Vote Yes on 13!
Jennifer Newcome
June 30, 2018 at 10:25 am
Pretty sad that you have to rely on stealing and altering someone elses footage to suit your agenda. It clearly goes to show that you have nothing to back up your groups false allegations and mistruths. Go ahead, keep stealing and using someone elses footage. We will make sure that every Florida voter is aware of your disingenuous actions, as we continue to spread the TRUTH. Yes on 13- no integrity, no credibility and no morals… #VoteNoOn13
Lori Bruce
June 30, 2018 at 10:59 am
If you are so concerned with showing people the truth, why did you alter the footage? I’m not sure you know what truth means.
Andy
July 6, 2018 at 9:50 am
You are the liar in chief, your tear jerker video that is readily available online where you provide explicit details of your ” accident”, yet in court transcripts you have ” no memory “. So you are either lying in court or in the video. Lies, lies and more lies. Not going to work this time. Oh, by the way, that’s such a nice picture of you on the ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT website, being aligned with such a group is all anyone needs to know about your scam operation.
Eric Jackson
July 6, 2018 at 1:18 pm
Tell us about your psychological training, Andy. Where did you get your degree? Where did you learn about human memory processes?
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 6, 2018 at 2:16 pm
Oh stop sticking up for her Eric. She blatantly lied about her accident. It’s in the reports. You don’t need to be a scientist to figure it out. At 1st she told everything in full detail, then all of a sudden she has no memory of what happened at all. That’s all Dorchak knows how to do, LIE. She lies about EVERYTHING. You all lie about everything and twist everything around to suit your purposes. Like I said before, I’ve talked to so many people and told them about your scam and they are now believers that all this scam group does is lie and cheat people out of their money. They are no longer supporters of grey2crazy and they are telling their friends and family too. The news is spreading. You are being found out. They also all believe in keeping racing alive. So better think of a new plan, like getting real jobs because grey2crazy is going down.
Christine A Dorchak
July 6, 2018 at 2:35 pm
It seems odd (not) that those who support dog racing want to talk about anything else but dog racing! Here are just some of the dogs that have been forgotten by those who offer up excuses and denials for this cruel activity. All the information below is released by the DBPR – Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering on a rolling basis. We have just learned the name of one of the latest fatalities: the dog was actually named “Deathtrap” and he was under the care of AJ Grant, spokesperson for his fellow Florida kennel operators. https://youtu.be/BXCNwy8o0H0
“Facebook” was the 1st greyhound death disclosed under Florida’s new rules. Since May 2013 nearly 500 deaths have been reported. On 5/31/13, 2-yr-old Facebook broke his leg during a race at the Daytona track and was destroyed.
“Al E Mony” was born on June 5, 2010 + raced 67 times @ 3 different tracks. On January 11, 2014, Mony collapsed at the finish line of the Pensacola dog track. She was just 3 years old.
“Backwood Turner” was born on 9/1/10. He raced 106 times @ 4 Florida tracks.Turner broke his back on 11/20/14 while racing @ the Sanford Orlando Kennel Club. Turner was four years old when he died.
“DDM’s Orion” was one of 10 pups born on 9/14/13. At Orange Park, he was kept confined for more than 20 hours per day. On 1/25/16, he broke his neck coming out of the starting box. Orion was only 2 years old.
“Kiowa Kay Light” was born on 5/15/11 on a puppy mill in Oklahoma. He raced 113 times @ 2 Florida tracks. On 12/21/14, Kay broke his leg and was destroyed. Kay never got to live in a home and died when he was just three years old.
“L’s Tato Skins” was born in September 2011.When she was 19 months old, Kay ran her first race. On the morning of 6/26/15, Tato was taken out of her cage for a practice race. She did not finish. She was just 3.
“Penrose Jake” was born in 2010. He was shipped to Orange Park where he ran his final race in August 2013.Jake’s official death notification is nothing more than a hand-written note by a kennel hand.
“PorPorPitifullMe” was born in May 2013. PorPorPitifullMe raced only 8 times before she died. In her last race @ Palm Beach Kennel Club. She “attempted to jump the rail” and was electrocuted.
“Pretty Gorgeous” was born in 2011. In November 2013, Gorgeous was trampled while running in her 95th race @ Orange Park. She was only two years old.
“RCK Untouchable” was born on May 2, 2011. He raced 103 times at six different tracks. In December 2014, Untouchable was injured and ran his final race @ Sarasota Kennel Club. He destroyed at the age of 3.
Dogs will continue to die unless change comes. Protect Dogs – Vote Yes on 13!
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 6, 2018 at 10:25 pm
Oh Christine, you already posted this same bullshit 4 times already on this page. Is that all you do is REPEAT? Don’t you know how to have a civil conversation? You have everything memorized. And for your information, I have been talking about greyhounds and racing and how they love to race. It is not cruelty, It is what they love to do. If you were actually paying attention, you would know what I’ve been saying. Plus I have been talking to many people as have many other pro racing people and they have changed their minds about you and your scam operation. They are listening to us and they are voting NO ON 13. You’ve been exposed. Your time is coming. You’ll be made known as a scam organization and you’ll be shut down. WE do not back down from your lying and thievery. The truth shall prevail! The good always wins over the bad. And you Christine are BAD! And EVIL! So tell us again how you lied in court about your accident!
Eric Jackson
July 6, 2018 at 3:07 pm
Again, you’re pulling out lies because you can’t argue the facts. Racing is losing money hand over fist. The dogs are being injured and dying every week. When they’re not racing, the dogs are locked in cages for hours upon hours. The greyhound racing industry is cruel and inhumane, and there’s no defense for it.
You don’t need to be a scientist to understand that you have no clue what you’re talking about and are just trying to deflect from the real issues – the cruel and inhumane treatment of greyhounds by the racing industry.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 6, 2018 at 10:17 pm
No Eric, YOU are the one telling lies. The industry is not cruel. The greyh9ounds are not locked up for hours, the state is not loosing money from gambling. You are the one making up all the lies and people are starting to see right through those lies. I DO know what I’m talking about. You are in denial that’s all. You think you know the industry but you are never there, never contribute a dime to any kennels, never go to any kennels or farms, so tell me Eric, HOW DO YOU KNOW? How? How do you know what really happens? You don’t, plain and simple. It’s the same as you trying to tell me and anyone else what goes on in my state. You are never here, so you don’t know. Same with racing. You DO NOT know the truth because you’ve never seen it. NEVER. VOTE NO ON 13!! So STOP lying! You are a lying thief.
Eric Jackson
July 6, 2018 at 11:51 pm
Ruth, I’d say welcome back, but…
I’m not sure what your point is. The state is absolutely losing money, and has been for years. The greyhounds are certainly locked in cages for many hours a day – up to 22 hours per day according to the industry. And on average, a greyhound dies every three days on a Florida track. When you look at the time greyhounds are caged, and the fact they are injured and killed on the track with such frequency, the only conclusion one can make is this is a cruel and inhumane industry. The loss of money is just another nail in the proverbial coffin.
Feel free to argue with facts instead of your fantastic lies and base insults.
Eric Jackson
July 6, 2018 at 11:57 pm
Ruth, you want to talk about a “civil conversation” but you are anything but civil in your comments. Greyhounds love to run, but racing is a human invention exploiting that ability to run. I don’t think anyone has ever argued greyhounds aren’t great runners, and that they don’t enjoy it, but most dogs enjoy getting out and running, too.
If you want to argue, try bringing facts to the conversation. That’s how a civil conversation is typically conducted. Instead, you’re insulting and making ad hominem attacks.
Andy
July 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm
I learned a whole lot about fraud and deception by researching your thieving organization. I bet you are one of those crazies who want illegals storming across the border, right? Thank God for PRESIDENT TRUMP
Eric Jackson
July 8, 2018 at 4:51 pm
Try to stay on topic, Andy. This is about the cruel and inhumane greyhound racing industry.
Patricia
June 29, 2018 at 7:30 pm
Yes let’s talk about Truth. Floridians will still be able to make bets on simulcast racing from other states. How does this protect dogs? Are you making your supporters aware of this loophole that Sen. Lee put in the amendment?
Karen Greb
June 29, 2018 at 7:44 pm
However you want to view the video footage, the fact is that greyhound dog racing is archaic, inhumane and does not reflect Floridian values. Those associated with this industry need to come out of their deep state of denial and rethink their future because this industry is coming to an end in Florida. Vote Yes on 3.
Craig Laginess
June 29, 2018 at 7:50 pm
Karen, the dogs are truly treated humanely and they are well cared for. Go to a greyhound kennel or track unannounced and you’ll see how humanely they are treated.
Karen Greb
June 29, 2018 at 8:05 pm
Craig, I have gone to a track unannounced and it made my skin crawl. I entered and heard all the dogs yelping but could not see them in their kennel – it was all blacked out. Then they were escorted out in the 90 degree Florida heat and made to run their hearts out in front of a crowd of 8 people. It was one of the creepiest experiences of my life.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 29, 2018 at 8:33 pm
You are lying. The kennels are not blacked out. They are very well lit and maintained. The only time it’s dark is at night when they are sleeping. Greyhounds run for a total of 38/39 seconds a race so to run for that short amount of time in 90 degrees is not cruel and after each race they are cooled down is cool down tanks. If you even bothered to do a complete tour, you would know this. So stop your bull shitting cause you’re not fooling anyone.
Beth
June 29, 2018 at 9:25 pm
Wow in all my experience I have never seen a dog forced to race. My own three still run around because it’s what they love to do. The numerous tracks, farms and kennels I have seen have been nothing but wonderful and regulate by the state.
Andy
July 3, 2018 at 9:33 pm
The ” forced to race ” lie is easily disproven by watching a video of a former racer back at the track. it is obvious to any sane, HONEST person they love it, of course honesty is the complete opposite of grey2scum, ‘ please donate so we can continue to pay ourselves exhorbitant salaries and give less than 1% to any greyhound.
Tim
June 30, 2018 at 2:16 pm
WOW, it just AMAZES me that people can spread such crap like this, if it wasn’t such an important topic, it would be laughable! But the problem is, they can just drop crap like this, and a few people will read it, and be gullible enough to believe it, and that is what they count on!
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:17 pm
Sorry Karen, I am a long time resident here and you do NOT speak for me. And I am NOT in the industry contrary to the lies about me being told by your accomplices at G2K
Slate McGraw
June 29, 2018 at 8:00 pm
The biggest issue here is that not only have these crooks stolen clips, they have darkened and distorted them, taken them out of context, added nasty captions, etc. These are beautiful videos of the truth that the public needs to see that they are using and distorting to deceive and raise donations to line their pockets and those of Grey2K, Carey Theil, Christine Dorshaks, HSUS and PETA. We have groups joined together here that have been part of an FBI designated terrorist organization, hit with a $15 million fine in a RICO lawsuit, etc. They are all really shady.
Russ
June 29, 2018 at 8:13 pm
Tell me why my retired racer tries to jump in her former trainers lap and like her face every time we visit and she her at SOKC. Why do I have an open indentation to stop by a farm any time or the kennel any time if their is something to hid. Greys are not mistreated. They are care for and loved. I have witnessed this personal
Wendi Tremblay
June 29, 2018 at 8:17 pm
To say that Mr. Sonksen does not want the “truth” known about greyhound racing is bogus. What he has a problem with, is these extreme animal activists taking part of his videos and warping them to suit their lies about the industry as a whole. While you may find this legal in your research, the bottom line is that you are misleading the Florida voters to gain support for your ruthless cause. That is unethical!!! It seems as though everything positive that we post gets negative comments, from you all, and those comments have no backing to prove what you say.
DEBORAH ELLIOTT
June 29, 2018 at 8:22 pm
How ridiculous to infringe on Mr. Sonksen’s intellectual property rights, then quote his statements as justification for taking his work and using manipulation and contrivance to change its essential nature. This is the perfect demonstration of exactly how untrustworthy the out-of-state anti-racing groups are. Twist, manipulate, and lie to garner donations to line your pockets from the well-intentioned, but misled. Their kind sold out Christ for a few dollars.
The truth is simply that these dogs are well-cared for and loved. Believe none of their lies! Vote NO on Unlucky 13.
Jennifer Newcome
June 29, 2018 at 8:27 pm
What it comes down to is that both Grey2K and Yes on 13 are deceptive thieves. What a joke. I find it actually laughable that you have already sunk so low as to stealing and altering the footage of someone who has taken the time to go and see the truth. It goes to show the lack of credibility, integrity and proof on both of your fronts. You should be utterly embarrassed for yourselves and your sham of a group, having the need to steal and alter footage to suit your agenda, as clearly you don’t have any of your own to provide. Keep using it, and we’ll keep making sure that all of Florida knows that your are thieves and frauds who lack any kind of credibility, integrity or morals. #Pathetic
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:12 pm
And they referred to a blog???? For legal precedent??? LOL None of these even apply
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Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 11:15 pm
Steve, try to follow along here. The copyright was never registered. You can’t file an infringement claim if you haven’t registered the copyright.
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:20 pm
Eric try to get your head out of your rear, he didn’t ask for damages(but if he registers it he can go back retroactively) just to stop using his work which he has every right to. But you go with the ambulance chasers opinion, I know a few attorneys that differ that are smarter than Mr. Collins.
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 4:21 pm
Please show us where you got that number from. The made-up fantasy used to be 90% adoption. Then it was 95%. Now you’re claiming 98%. Amazing considering there is no tracking of adoption numbers! Next week I expect we’ll be seeing 105% adoption rates – dogs being adopted that were never born.
But seriously, show us something that supports your claim.
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
June 30, 2018 at 4:50 pm
Hmm … it seems as though the dogs who die while racing or are found dead in their cages don’t come into industry calculations? Cost of doing business for them, perhaps? Inconvenient truths? Here are just some of the dogs that have been forgotten by those who offer up blandishments for this cruel activity:
“Facebook” was the 1st greyhound death disclosed under Fl’s new rules. Since May 2013 nearly 500 deaths have been reported. On 5/31/13, 2-yr-old Facebook broke his leg during a race at the Daytona track and was destroyed.
“Al E Mony” was born on June 5, 2010 + raced 67 times @ 3 different tracks. On January 11, 2014, Mony collapsed at the finish line of the Pensacola dog track. She was just 3 years old.
“Backwood Turner” was born on 9/1/10. He raced 106 times @ 4 Florida tracks.Turner broke his back on 11/20/14 while racing @ the Sanford Orlando Kennel Club. Turner was four years old when he died.
“DDM’s Orion” was one of 10 pups born on 9/14/13. At Orange Park, he was kept confined for more than 20 hours per day. On 1/25/16, he broke his neck coming out of the starting box. Orion was only 2 years old.
“Kiowa Kay Light” was born on 5/15/11 on a puppy mill in Oklahoma. He raced 113 times @ 2 Florida tracks. On 12/21/14, Kay broke his leg and was destroyed. Kay never got to live in a home and died when he was just three years old.
“L’s Tato Skins” was born in September 2011.When she was 19 months old, Kay ran her first race. On the morning of 6/26/15, Tato was taken out of her cage for a practice race. She did not finish. She was just 3.
“Penrose Jake” was born in 2010. He was shipped to Orange Park where he ran his final race in August 2013.Jake’s official death notification is nothing more than a hand-written note by a kennel hand.
“PorPorPitifullMe” was born in May 2013. PorPorPitifullMe raced only 8 times before she died. In her last race @ Palm Beach Kennel Club. She “attempted to jump the rail” and was electrocuted.
“Pretty Gorgeous” was born in 2011. In November 2013, Gorgeous was trampled while running in her 95th race @ Orange Park. She was only two years old.
“RCK Untouchable” was born on May 2, 2011. He raced 103 times at six different tracks. In December 2014, Untouchable was injured and ran his final race @ Sarasota Kennel Club. He destroyed at the age of 3.
Dogs will continue to die unless change comes. Protect Dogs – Vote Yes on 13!
R Shaw
June 30, 2018 at 5:10 pm
Ruffian died, I sill support horse racing. A friend of mine was paralyzed and died from playing college football. I support college football. My pet dog escaped and got run over by a car. My cat got cancer and died. I still support pets. Without racing these wonderful animals would not be born. Injuries and deaths occur in sports and athletes break legs and athletes, even elite ones can die early. Greyhounds love to run, it is not abusive. The breed is all about running. It is propaganda to suggest it is cruel to race dogs that are born to run.
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
June 30, 2018 at 5:22 pm
Got insensitivity? Keep it up. You can ask the folks at Wonderland dog track and Raynham Park about how that worked out for them.
Greyhound racing deaths are both calculable (one every three days) and forseeable. They will continue until commercial dog racing is phased out in Florida on November 6, 2018. Here is a list of some recent victims:
“Facebook” was the 1st greyhound death disclosed under Fl’s new rules. Since May 2013 nearly 500 deaths have been reported. On 5/31/13, 2-yr-old Facebook broke his leg during a race at the Daytona track and was destroyed.
“Al E Mony” was born on June 5, 2010 + raced 67 times @ 3 different tracks. On January 11, 2014, Mony collapsed at the finish line of the Pensacola dog track. She was just 3 years old.
“Backwood Turner” was born on 9/1/10. He raced 106 times @ 4 Florida tracks.Turner broke his back on 11/20/14 while racing @ the Sanford Orlando Kennel Club. Turner was four years old when he died.
“DDM’s Orion” was one of 10 pups born on 9/14/13. At Orange Park, he was kept confined for more than 20 hours per day. On 1/25/16, he broke his neck coming out of the starting box. Orion was only 2 years old.
“Kiowa Kay Light” was born on 5/15/11 on a puppy mill in Oklahoma. He raced 113 times at2 Florida tracks. On 12/21/14, Kay broke his leg and was destroyed. Kay never got to live in a home and died when he was just three years old.
“L’s Tato Skins” was born in September 2011.When she was 19 months old, Kay ran her first race. On the morning of 6/26/15, Tato was taken out of her cage for a practice race. She did not finish. She was just 3.
“Penrose Jake” was born in 2010. He was shipped to Orange Park where he ran his final race in August 2013.Jake’s official death notification is nothing more than a hand-written note by a kennel hand.
“PorPorPitifullMe” was born in May 2013. PorPorPitifullMe raced only 8 times before she died. In her last race @ Palm Beach Kennel Club. She “attempted to jump the rail” and was electrocuted.
“Pretty Gorgeous” was born in 2011. In November 2013, Gorgeous was trampled while running in her 95th race @ Orange Park. She was only two years old.
“RCK Untouchable” was born on May 2, 2011. He raced 103 times at six different tracks. In December 2014, Untouchable was injured and ran his final race @ Sarasota Kennel Club. He destroyed at the age of 3.
R Shaw
June 30, 2018 at 5:37 pm
The 85 employees that lost their jobs thought it was insensitive when they couldn’t feed their families.
Don Goldstein
June 29, 2018 at 8:29 pm
The truth is the videos show greyhounds happy to be out of their cages! They do not not know that a greyhound dies every 3 to 4 days at a Florida track. It is time for Florida to stop this archaic “sport!” #Yeson13
Jennifer Newcome
June 29, 2018 at 9:00 pm
Well, if that’s so, then why was there the need to alter them? And why is your group relying on someone elses footage and going through all of the trouble of altering them, instead of using your own footage? All this does is show the disconnect on your groups part. Yes on 13 is simply a front that Theil and Dorchak are running behind the scenes. Christine made that abundantly clear when she signed her name under a comment posting as Yes on 13 on their fb page. Either that, or one of her own is impersonating her and forging her name. Little tip- you all should really get together so that the same post isn’t made on your page numerous times, with the exact same comment that is on Grey2Ks fb page. That’s pretty sloppy and shady, wouldn’t you say?
Beth
June 29, 2018 at 9:27 pm
Ok so let’s employ some common sense here… you really think that if 3 dogs died per day the state wouldn’t step in… you all must think very poorly of your own state.
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 9:30 pm
The state hasn’t stepped in. And it’s one dog every three days, on average. The industry fought any kind of reporting because they were afraid the public would find out the truth. Guess what? The public found out. They’re not amused. In fact, many people were absolutely disgusted by what they found out.
Andy
July 3, 2018 at 9:40 pm
Ok, tell us the tracks and the name of the 10 dogs that died in May of this year. Notice they never mention the 10s of 1000s of dogs their partners in crime destroy on a daily basis.
Eric Jackson
July 4, 2018 at 12:29 pm
Averages, Andy, averages. It takes time to compile the FOIA-type requests, so there’s a delay in those being filed by the track, compiled by the state, and then made publicly available.
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:46 pm
Another activist liar who thinks stealing is OK and tampering with dog urine samples is OK, VOTE NO on 13
Francesca
July 8, 2018 at 12:17 pm
This is for Queen of lies and fraud, what was your opening line when you were keynote speaker for ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT? A picture exists of your FAT ASS jogging in Tallahassee. Will be seen far and wide. With an ass that fat you should move to Ethiopia to slim in down.
R Shaw
June 29, 2018 at 8:31 pm
Wow, what an obvious theft and mutilation of an artist’s work. You can get a lawyer to write a letter for $100, but when this goes to court there will be damages. Greyhounds are not creepy. They love to race and there is nothing wrong with running.
Randy Thomoson
June 29, 2018 at 8:44 pm
Theil, you and your wife are frauds. How is it that You’re not in jail? Soon, hopefully.
Dick Ciampa
June 29, 2018 at 9:55 pm
Eric,
Now all you need to do is tell everyone the truth and that is all these greyhound deaths weren’t on the track. Correct?
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 10:02 pm
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/columnists/isadora-rangel/2018/03/23/voters-might-have-chance-fix-legislative-inaction-greyhound-racing-rangel/448068002/
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2017-02-03/deaths-spur-push-end-greyhound-racing-orange-park-and-across-florida
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/greyhound-deaths-at-racetracks-continue
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 10:05 pm
On the track, in the racing kennel…they were greyhounds being used by the racing industry. Whether they died on the track or at the kennel, they died as a direct result of racing.
Dick Ciampa
June 29, 2018 at 10:18 pm
Eric,
Nice spin, but no one even your supporters would think dying of sickness, you know cancer, is a direct result of racing. Even Carey and Christine call you a liar go look at their pie chart. According to C & C only 42 percent of the deaths were race related.
Schember
June 29, 2018 at 10:40 pm
Only 42% And that is something to boast about?? Oy, just 42%… Close to half… Marvelous for the dogs…
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 10:43 pm
What pie chart are you referring to, Dick?
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 10:44 pm
Why is the greyhound racing industry racing dogs with cancer?!
Eric Jackson
June 29, 2018 at 10:53 pm
I think I found the chart you referenced, Dick – the one from Saving Greys on April 5, 2018, right?
The one that shows the following for causes of death:
105 – Broken legs
61 – Bad meat, sickness, other
20 – Seizures
17 – Broken back or neck
10 – Heart attack, heat stroke, exhaustion
9 – Crushed skull
4 – Spinal injury
3 – Electrocution
209 – Not disclosed
These are not injuries, these are the reason the dogs DIED! Broken legs – died. Sickness – died. Heart attack, heat stroke, exhaustion – died.
Schember
June 29, 2018 at 11:41 pm
Dick, my youngest rescue was being sent to Ebro, Ronnie Williams ring a bell? Not all deaths are on the track. Result of racing – injuries and neglect. There is no excuse or justification for this industry.
Yes on 13
Craig Laginess
June 30, 2018 at 7:01 am
Folks the dogs are not rescued because they are not in danger of being put down. The 98 percent adoption rate speaks for itself.
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 11:10 pm
Where do you get that adoption rate? Do you have any documentation to support it? Anything from the tracks, the industry, the state…
Andy
July 6, 2018 at 9:58 am
Oh, you are a vegan too, what a weirdo you are
Eric Jackson
July 6, 2018 at 1:16 pm
Andy, try to stay on topic. What does being a vegan have to do with greyhound racing?
You know an argument is lost when you’ve resorted to 3rd-grade insults. You can’t argue the facts because they’re all against greyhound racing. The deaths, the injuries, the confinement, even the financials.
Tim
June 30, 2018 at 2:30 pm
Ebro? Bring that up all you want, this industry along with every other industry and aspect of life is not immune to bad actors! What happened in Ebro was horrible, and he went to JAIL! Where He belonged! The system worked, and will continue to work! Just as it has at any other time it was necessary. The leader of the HSUS was just accused of sexual harassment, and had to give up his job! So does that mean everyone that works for the HSUS is a sexual predator? Christine Dorkshack (Carey Theill’s wife) was a keynote speaker and i believe was a Hall Of Famer for ALF (Animal Liberation Front) who is listed with the State Department as a DOMESTIC TERRORIST, so does that make Christine Dorkshack and all grey@k a DOMESTIC TERRORIST? You go ahead and spew your crap, we have the best care, the lowest injury rate and best adoption rate of any breed in the world…ACCEPT THAT! You are in denial.
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
June 29, 2018 at 10:36 pm
A properly registered political committee has full rights to offer evidence of its position in a related matter of public interest. The Fair Use Doctrine is implicated as are protections against SLAPP suits — lawsuits brought to intentionally try and silence others. SLAPP = strategic litigation against public participation. Case in point: The old Wonderland dog track owner had to repay the Grey2K Committee for all its attorney fees because it had First Amendment and Fair Use rights to rebroadcast public comments he made defending dog racing. Charlie Sarkis paid out $40,000 for his false and harassing claim. See Sarkis v. Grey2K, 21 Mass.L.Rptr. 173 (Suffolk Superior Court (2006) (dismissed as SLAPP suit, attorney fees paid to ballot initiative committee). Now nearly 20 years later, dog racing defenders are still using the same, failed strategy. They need to stop trying to sue their way out of a cruel, inhumane and outdated business and realize that the time has come to phase out dog racing and Protect Dogs – Vote Yes on 13!
R Shaw
June 30, 2018 at 10:29 am
There is a difference between using public comments by a track owner and stealing and manipulating a private person’s work. You will be writing the check this time.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 30, 2018 at 11:35 am
Hey Christine, you already posted this bullshit, why are you repeating yourself? Getting memory loss are you? Your bullshit is stinking very badly. Stop the lying and stealing of videos and pictures and distorting them to your satisfaction. They are all lies and you know it. How do you sleep at night? You even lied about your so called “train” accident. First you remembered, then all of a sudden you couldn’t remember. You are going to Hell when you die. God does not like liars. Stop using people to get your money. Get a REAL job. Vote NO on 13. Vote NO on13. VOTE NO on13. Hey everyone, Christine said she changed her mind, she is FOR greyhound racing and wants it to continue. Christine says VOTE NO on13.
Jennifer Newcome
June 30, 2018 at 12:24 pm
Let’s not forget that Grey2K has already been found guilty in a court of law of committing VOTER FRAUD in Massachusetts. Let’s not forget that Theil was implicated in an attempt to bribe a politician in West Virginia. Almost 2 decades worth of disingenuous, shady practices under your belt. And lets not forget your associates, HSUS. Criminals, sexual predators, and frauds. Disgusting…
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
June 30, 2018 at 5:09 pm
Ms. N,
GREY2K USA Worldwide is a non-profit advocacy group whose mission is to end the cruelty of dog racing. We have been awarded the highest marks Guidestar and GreatNonprofit, For the record, we have never committed, been accused of, much less “been found guilty in a court of law of committing VOTER FRAUD in Massachusetts” or anywhere else for that matter.
Please be careful not to make additional defamatory statements.
Let’s see if you can simply argue on the merits because so far your campaign to keep the cruelty of greyhound racing going seem only to have one losing strategy: “shoot the messenger.” If you can truly show the voters that greyhounds love to die, then let’s hear it. State records show that a racing greyhound dies every three days. Here are some examples of some recent victims:
“Facebook” was the 1st greyhound death disclosed under Fl’s new rules. Since May 2013 nearly 500 deaths have been reported. On 5/31/13, 2-yr-old Facebook broke his leg during a race at the Daytona track and was destroyed.
“Al E Mony” was born on June 5, 2010 + raced 67 times @ 3 different tracks. On January 11, 2014, Mony collapsed at the finish line of the Pensacola dog track. She was just 3 years old.
“Backwood Turner” was born on 9/1/10. He raced 106 times @ 4 Florida tracks.Turner broke his back on 11/20/14 while racing @ the Sanford Orlando Kennel Club. Turner was four years old when he died.
“DDM’s Orion” was one of 10 pups born on 9/14/13. At Orange Park, he was kept confined for more than 20 hours per day. On 1/25/16, he broke his neck coming out of the starting box. Orion was only 2 years old.
“Kiowa Kay Light” was born on 5/15/11 on a puppy mill in Oklahoma. He raced 113 times @ 2 Florida tracks. On 12/21/14, Kay broke his leg and was destroyed. Kay never got to live in a home and died when he was just three years old.
“L’s Tato Skins” was born in September 2011.When she was 19 months old, Kay ran her first race. On the morning of 6/26/15, Tato was taken out of her cage for a practice race. She did not finish. She was just 3.
“Penrose Jake” was born in 2010. He was shipped to Orange Park where he ran his final race in August 2013.Jake’s official death notification is nothing more than a hand-written note by a kennel hand.
“PorPorPitifullMe” was born in May 2013. PorPorPitifullMe raced only 8 times before she died. In her last race @ Palm Beach Kennel Club. She “attempted to jump the rail” and was electrocuted.
“Pretty Gorgeous” was born in 2011. In November 2013, Gorgeous was trampled while running in her 95th race @ Orange Park. She was only two years old.
“RCK Untouchable” was born on May 2, 2011. He raced 103 times at six different tracks. In December 2014, Untouchable was injured and ran his final race @ Sarasota Kennel Club. He destroyed at the age of 3.
Jennifer Newcome
June 30, 2018 at 6:38 pm
I didn’t say that it was Grey2K USA worldwide. I said that it was the name your group went by before it was found guilty and forced to cease operation as Grey2K.
You may or may not know that I am a Raynham alumni, and I was a victim of your lies and false propaganda. You destroyed my life, my families lives and the lives of my co-workers, many of whom I had known since birth. You weren’t there as I loaded my dogs onto a transporting hauler, destined for St. Petersburg, FL. You weren’t there to pick me up out of the snow that I collapsed hysterically in as I watched my dogs drive away. You weren’t there as I looked around and saw the anguish that was taking place as others were doing just the same as I was. You weren’t there when my 26 year old self closed the lights and door to the empty kennel that I had worked in for 8 years. You weren’t there to see the tears in my mothers eyes as I drove away, Florida bound so that I could continue to to pursue my passion. You CERTAINLY weren’t there to help a single greyhound who was forced into retirement at your hands.
So you can save your twisted mantra. You’re not even worthy enough to scoop poop from a racing kennels turnout area.
You’re a scam and a sham, and I refuse to sit by and watch you try to destroy the lives of these greyhounds and their people. I learned from the mistakes that were made in MA, and I can assure you that this WILL NOT be a repeat occurance. Believe me when I say that we Wont Back Down. Not just for the greyhounds in Florida, but for the ones who were forced out of Massachusetts. You can take that to the bank and cash it, we all know how much you love to pay yourself. Despicable and disgusting… #VoteNoOn13 #Unlucky13
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
June 30, 2018 at 10:56 pm
Ms. N,
I repeat, cease your defamatory comments. Neither GREY2K USA Worldwide (October 2013 – present) nor its original entity names of GREY2K USA (2001- October 2013) nor the Grey2k Committee of the year 2000 have ever committed, been accused of, much less “been found guilty in a court of law of committing VOTER FRAUD in Massachusetts” or anywhere else for that matter. GREY2K USA had a mission of phasing out dog racing in nationwide and grew to have an international mission so we legally expanded our name to reflect an expanded purpose. You must now retract this false assertion.
Oh, how about attempting to debate the issue of dog racing on the merits? Please explain to the voting public why Florida dogs and nearly 500 others since May 2103 had to die? I understand your interest in working in the racing business, people know that our economy should not be based on cruelty to animals. Now, tell me why these dogs had to die again? Your lack of response to this question when initially posed speaks volumes.
“Facebook” was the 1st greyhound death disclosed under Fl’s new rules. Since May 2013 nearly 500 deaths have been reported. On 5/31/13, 2-yr-old Facebook broke his leg during a race at the Daytona track and was destroyed.
“Al E Mony” was born on June 5, 2010 + raced 67 times @ 3 different tracks. On January 11, 2014, Mony collapsed at the finish line of the Pensacola dog track. She was just 3 years old.
“Backwood Turner” was born on 9/1/10. He raced 106 times @ 4 Florida tracks.Turner broke his back on 11/20/14 while racing @ the Sanford Orlando Kennel Club. Turner was four years old when he died.
“DDM’s Orion” was one of 10 pups born on 9/14/13. At Orange Park, he was kept confined for more than 20 hours per day. On 1/25/16, he broke his neck coming out of the starting box. Orion was only 2 years old.
“Kiowa Kay Light” was born on 5/15/11 on a puppy mill in Oklahoma. He raced 113 times @ 2 Florida tracks. On 12/21/14, Kay broke his leg and was destroyed. Kay never got to live in a home and died when he was just three years old.
“L’s Tato Skins” was born in September 2011.When she was 19 months old, Kay ran her first race. On the morning of 6/26/15, Tato was taken out of her cage for a practice race. She did not finish. She was just 3.
“Penrose Jake” was born in 2010. He was shipped to Orange Park where he ran his final race in August 2013.Jake’s official death notification is nothing more than a hand-written note by a kennel hand.
“PorPorPitifullMe” was born in May 2013. PorPorPitifullMe raced only 8 times before she died. In her last race @ Palm Beach Kennel Club. She “attempted to jump the rail” and was electrocuted.
“Pretty Gorgeous” was born in 2011. In November 2013, Gorgeous was trampled while running in her 95th race @ Orange Park. She was only two years old.
“RCK Untouchable” was born on May 2, 2011. He raced 103 times at six different tracks. In December 2014, Untouchable was injured and ran his final race @ Sarasota Kennel Club. He was destroyed at the age of 3.
Craig Laginess
July 1, 2018 at 8:59 am
Christine, I am disappointed in you. With your advanced degree, it proves that you are smarter than the average person. But yet here you are drinking the Grey2k koolaid. Less than one percent of their donations actually help the dogs. The other 99 percent pays for salaries and lobbying expenses. When I did a paper for my master’s degree I did it on the greyhound racing industry because I wanted to learn the truth. Keep in mind I was anti-racing at that time 15 years ago. After visiting tracks and kennels my stance was changed to pro-racing. The dogs are well cared for and treated humanely.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 11:06 am
Oh, you want her to cease her comments, but it’s okay for you to defame the owners, handlers and trainers every chance you get? YOU CEASE you defamatory comments Dorchak. You are a liar and a thief. You say very hurtful and untrue things about the racing industry ALL the time, yet when you’re called out on the TRUTH about you and your SCAM operation group, you get pissed? Too bad there. If you can be so deceiving and a BIG liar, why can’t we tell the truth? You LIED about your train accident. You killed your own greyhound by feeding her a vegan diet and greyhounds need meat and protein. You keep your greyhound confined in a crate in your office every day and never take her home. And you say the industry is cruel? Take a look at yourself. You are abusing your own greyhound. You are a LIAR and a THIEF. Going to tell me to desist now are you? Not on your life. You are a SCAM and your day will come. Christine Dorchak SUPPORTS greyhound racing and wants everyone to VOTE NO ON 13! Yes, you heard it here 1st folks, she DOES support racing. VOTE NO ON 13!
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 11:11 am
Not a single thing you said is true. Why do you keep making up such vile lies?!
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 3:38 pm
Yes it is true, all of it! Why do you keep lying all the time? Answer that one. Oh, you can lie all you want to, but no one else can unless it’s lying about racing. Stop your lying. Just stop already. And Christine did lie about her “train” accident. At 1st she was crystal clear on how it happened, then all of a sudden she can’t remember anything except waking up in the hospital. She did kill her greyhound. She fed her vegan diet and that will kill any dog. She does keep her in a crate all day in the office. They never take her out anywhere or even home at night. But keeping them crated all the time is abuse according to them. Hypocrite much? She and her cohort hubby are the biggest liars and thieves anywhere. They will stop at nothing to get their money to live on. What innocent group will they target next if racing is banned? Or will they actually have to get Jobs? Oh my! Imagine that. They might have to work for their money. You are all liars and thieves and evil, evil people.
Jennifer Newcome
July 1, 2018 at 12:49 am
Hold on to your hat… Every angle will be addressed at the appropriate time. For now, keep stealing and altering peoples footage. You’ve already lost support due to your antics. And lets not forget the other misrepresentation in your ad… 70%? Yeah, maybe 70% of your screened participants in a poll that you paid for. Funny thing though… The recent, UNBIASED poll put out by the CoC cited that the REAL numbers are quite aways off from your twisted math. It was only 46% for, 37% against and 17% undecided. Quite a diffence from the made up figure you included with an ad that is fraudulent all the way around, wouldn’t you say?
Christine A Dorchak
July 1, 2018 at 1:08 am
Oops. As reported by this outlet, a statewide survey of 1,000 actual Florida voters by McLaughlin and Associates shows that voters across all political spectra are eager to help end dog racing in the state. Please stop making it so easy to debate you! https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2018/03/20/poll-florida-voters-favor-greyhound-racing-ban-321104
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 5:20 pm
Christine’s accident is well documented in official reports. Why do you insist on making up lies about her personal tragedy?
I have never heard of a greyhound dying from a proper vegan diet. There is vegan kibble available, you know. Dogs need proper nutrition and that can be achieved through a variety of dietary options.
There are dozens of pictures of Gina the greyhound playing and lounging around the GREY2K USA Worldwide office. She comes in every morning and goes home every night. Your story about her being locked in a cage is a pure fabrication.
The only lies I’ve seen are from you, Ruth. You call other people evil but you are the one making up vile lies about people. It’s unconscionable.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 6:56 pm
Nope I never lie there Eric. How do you know Christines greyhound goes home every night? Are you there? And where does she go when they are constantly, like every week on a mission to get money? They are NEVER home so she goes home alone? Well that’s cruelty and abandonment. No dog can live on a vegan diet and stay healthy. They are carnivores and need meat to survive. You really don’t know much about dogs do you? I’ve read her reports a few times already about her “accident”. She lied, that’s all there is to it. All she knows how to do is lie. If she ever told the truth, she would have a heart attack. When are you going to ever tell the truth? Oh, you’re afraid of having a heart attack too? You’ll all rot in hell because God does not like liars.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 7:43 pm
Yes, Ruth, I have been to the GREY2K USA Worldwide office. I have interacted with Zoe and Gina, their greyhounds. I’ve also played with the other dogs that employees bring to work with them.
You should probably do some research about dog diets before you post incorrect commentary. Dogs need a balanced diet, and that can be achieved with an appropriate vegan diet. A simple Google search will reveal the truth and show you several vegan dog food choices.
I don’t know what you’ve read about Christine’s accident, but perhaps you should seek out more reliable sources than the lies told by pro-racers.
Finally, I have no idea what you’re talking about with the heart attack reference.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 8:54 pm
You still didn’t answer my question. What happens to their greyhound when they are gone away, which is just about every day of the year? She is home alone, abandoned. No pro racing people told me about Christine’s “accident”. I read the report. The whole report. It is available through the courts of MA. She lied! Get over it! She lies all the time. I did do plenty of research about dog’s diets. They can not live on a vegan diet, period. They need MEAT to live a healthy life. They will constantly be sick from a vegan diet. Perhaps you’re just afraid to admit that Christine was wrong in her care of her greyhound, which she killed by feeding her vegan. She doesn’t give a damn about greyhounds. She just has one for show. She doesn’t give a damn about the welfare of racing greyhounds and those in farms. She doesn’t care and neither do you if there won’t be enough homes to adopt the thousands of greyhounds that will need immediate homes . You just don’t care at all. None of you do. You’ll walk away from the whole thing like it never happened. VOTE NO on13. VOTE NO on13.Save racing!
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 9:13 pm
Are you still going on about stuff you know LITERALLY nothing about? Do you have dogs at home? Do you leave them at home alone when you travel? Is that your basis for understanding what other people do? That has to be among the dumbest assertions I’ve read. Most normal people would find someone to either stay in the home with the dog or have her boarded at a friend’s home. That’s what Christine and Carey do when they are both away at the same time. See, they have more morals than you do and care more for their greyhound than someone who would even consider leaving a dog at home, alone, for an extended period of time.
Where did you get your veterinary education? You should go and demand your money back. Dogs can, and do, survive on a proper vegan diet. There is nothing in meat that cannot be provided through a proper, well balanced, plant-based diet. The keyword is, again, PROPER. That means all of their dietary needs are taken into consideration and appropriate nutrients are provided. Why do you insist on arguing against the truth?
Perhaps if you knew more about greyhounds, and other dogs, you would also support the Vote Yes on Prop 13 campaign and vote in the best interests of the dogs.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 10:21 pm
My greyhounds are never left home alone longer than a few hours because I don’t live off peoples money and travel the world. Yeah they love their greyhound so much that they leave her more than they are with her. Show me some vet reports that say dogs can live a healthy life on a vegan diet. Oh they live, but they are sick most of the time and die an early death. They are carnivores, MEAT eaters, they are not rabbits that eat vegetation. Any fool that feeds their dogs or cats vegan should never own them. They are cruel and abusive. I know more about greyhounds than you ever will. See? You are telling another lie. That’s all you know how to do is lie. I never said I was a vet either dumb ass. You are again putting words where they don’t belong. I know greyhounds love to run, it’s what they have been bred to do. I know they love the race and the chase for the lure. You can’t stop a greyhound once that gate opens when a race starts. They love it. Greyhounds are happy and healthy and loved in their kennels. You morons just can’t wrap your head around happy greyhounds. You live very sad, deprived lives.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 10:30 pm
And yet your first thought is that someone leaves a greyhound in a home for multiple days. What is your frame of reference to even consider such a thing?
I never said you were a vet, Ruth, I asked where you got your veterinary education. Here is a blog post that links to three different studies on vegan diets for dogs:
https://v-dog.com/blogs/v-dog-blog/3-studies-on-vegan-diets-for-dogs
If you have access, you can also read a meta-study here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5035952/
I’ll guarantee you a dog given a proper vegan diet will live a lot longer than any of the dogs killed by the greyhound racing industry. Remember that the industry you’re standing up for kills a dog approximately every three days in Florida alone.
Nobody has ever disputed that greyhounds, like most dogs, love to run. But running is not the same as racing. Racing is an exploitative activity for human entertainment and profit. The racing industry only values the greyhounds as long as they can make money from them.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 2, 2018 at 11:15 am
The greyhound industry does not kill a greyhound every 3 days. That has been disputed so many times yet you still keep lying about it. How many dogs in shelters die EVERY day? Hundreds if not thousands die EVERY single day in shelters but you don’t give a damnabout that. As long as you keep lying about greyhonds, you are exploiting them for money to keep your wallets big. That’s right, you are exploiting greyhounds with your lies every single day. Thiel and Dorchak need to get real jobs and stop living off people who believe their lies. But guess what, more and more people are seeing how deceiving they are and are learning the truth about how they beg for money through greyhounds. That’s right. I’ve talked to so many people in the last few months and they are disgusted by what they have learned from this scam group. They said never ever again will they believe anything grey2crazy says. You are losing and will continue to lose. People are opening their eyes to the deceit and lies. Better go running to the mother ship and try to plan a new strategy and different lies because your old lies aren’t working anymore. I will continue to tell people about your deception, lies and greed. Greyhounds love to race. They love the chase. That is a fact. That is the truth. I don’t lie. I have nothing to lie about. I tell the truth. You are destroying greyhounds and you don’t care. That is also the truth. I will swear on any Bible that that is the truth. Bet you can’t swear on a Bible. Oh I know you can’t. The Bible would burst into flames with all your lies.
Jennifer Newcome
July 1, 2018 at 11:29 am
Please feel free to cling on to that 70% as having been accurate at that time. With the newer poll showing the support for Amendment 13 only being at 46%, it would certainly seem that your group is losing support very quickly. You’ve already lost 24%, in comparing the poll that you’re going on, and the one that was more recently conducted.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 11:48 am
Speaking of numbers, can you explain where your folks are getting their adoption numbers? The latest was “98% adoption” but there has never been an explanation of where that number comes from. The last time adoption was critically examined, the rate was closer to 45%, I believe.
Eric Jackson
July 3, 2018 at 10:44 pm
Your defamatory comment has already been addressed. Perhaps you should come out from behind your alias. Do you expect us to believe you’re the greyhound racing equivalent of Beyonce or Madonna and only have the one name?
Andy
July 4, 2018 at 5:51 am
Ok, fraudster Eric, my name is Andy Connors, I am involved in the industry at Ebro. You still didn’t answer the question about the lost defamation lawsuit. You are just like Fat Freddie, so I doubt you will comment on 1. Grey2scum admitting to fraudulent advertising in Mass 2. The lost defamation lawsuit 3. The caught in the act LYING of your dear leader dorchak with the solicitation video then in court having ” no memory ‘. Blackmailing a gubernatorial candidate. I could go on but even a vegan weirdo like you should get the point. Your group are scammers, simple as that. Care to comment on giving less than 1% of donations to help ANY dog?
Schember
June 29, 2018 at 10:37 pm
So much back and forth here. I can only speak for me. My first grey was tattooed and never raced. No chase drive. I wonder why tattooing a young pup was necessary. My eldest rescue was raced and raced. My love can’t find his way out of a room but they expected him to race? My youngest was being shipped to Ebro. No love in this sport. Just money
I doubt there is much love for these dogs.
SHOW THE ENTIRE VIDEO!
June 30, 2018 at 1:24 pm
Schember, I can explain to you why the first Greyhound you had was not raced but tattooed, the NGA (National Greyhound Association) requires our pups to be tattooed at 3 months old. It starts with when a female is bred, first, the female has a DNA test done to keep on record, secondly, a breeding report is done when the female is bred, than, a whelping report is done, listing the number of pups whelped, number of males and females, and their colors. than by 3 months, the entire litter is then registered, which is when they are tattooed, so, your pup would have still been registered (tattooed) even though he/she did not run. This is another one of the theories that these radicals try to use, by saying that we “cull” them out if we think they can’t run, and that distorts our numbers, because we carry the highest rate of adoption of any breed in the world. But clearly, and without any question, you can call the NGA, and find out these numbers. And if that were true, you would not have the dog you are talking about. And if there is anyone out there that can tell me whether or not a 3 month old puppy can run or not, please point me in their direction, because they are smarter than any breeder in the world, and I will hire them! And contrary to what others may want you to believe, we are highly organized and a well policed industry. We are not immune to having bad apples, just as any other business or industry in the world, but when those bad apples are found, they are dealt with appropriately. Please take the time to go visit a kennel, they will be more than willing to let you come and view for yourself, and meet other Greyhounds, and the people that handle them.
Andy
July 8, 2018 at 12:45 pm
Read what weirdo Eric wrote, the accident story is ‘ lies told by pro racing people’ YET: She remembers the accident in GREAT DETAIL in the shameless video, yet having ‘ no memory’ is in COURT DOCUMENTS, THEY ASK HER TWICE. What complete frauds
Jackie
June 29, 2018 at 11:10 pm
So this guy is angry about Grey2K using his video footage, but he doesn’t see a problem with taking photos off the internet, running them through a Photoshop filter, and then copying them in a “paint by numbers” style? OK then. Fair use goes both ways. If you don’t want your stuff “stolen” then do not put it on the Internet!
Schember
June 29, 2018 at 11:23 pm
Spot on
Beth
June 30, 2018 at 7:24 am
SO by your way of thinking of my wallet is out next to me and you can see it does it give you the right to steal it?? It’s still his property. How sad that you are trying to justify stealing…
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 4:14 pm
Your wallet and putting videos on YouTube are nothing alike.
R Shaw
June 30, 2018 at 5:14 pm
Content that is on YouTube has property rights. You can’t steal it and alter it just because someone posts it. You would be begging to be sued.
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 6:51 pm
The response to your comment has already been posted several times. You might want to do a quick search for terms such as “fair use” and “SLAPP” to see the responses.
Melissa Z
June 29, 2018 at 11:19 pm
A videographer posts a video he thinks is so great bc it shows greyhounds confined in cages in a warehouse And someone has the audacity to point out that keeping dogs confined in cages in a warehouse is actually cruel. Funny how the pro-racing groups get upset when their own footage is used against them. Racing needs to end -Get dogs off the track. Yes on 13!
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:42 pm
Melissa maybe try the truth, it may make you feel better. The video which i someone else’s property was altered in a nefarious way.
Tim
June 30, 2018 at 1:51 pm
They are “Crates”, and they are “Kennels”. So quit with the grey@k sensationalism. And as you can see below, what you state is crap, we would LOVE for those videos to be seen by ALL Floridians! But, in their entirety!! I have issued Carey a challenge below to post ALL of Jeff’s videos to the yes on 13 website and facebook page and the grey@k website and facebook page. However, they must be in their entirety, if Jeff agrees to it. So put up or shut up! So according to your post above, I would feel you would be in 100% agreement with this, yes? NO ON 13! NO ON 13! NO ON 13! Believe Your Eyes, Not The Lies!
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 6:53 pm
They are metal wire cages, kept in a warehouse-like kennel. You can argue the semantics all you want, the truth remains – these dogs are locked in cages inside a warehouse for up to 22 hours per day.
Show the Whole Video
June 30, 2018 at 9:27 pm
Come on now Aric, why do you not have your signature at the bottom like you usually do, that you are so proud of…
Eric Jackson
BOARD MEMBER GREY@K——— NEW MEXICO
I don’t blame you, I would stop using it also, I would be embarrassed, I find it interesting to see all three of you on this thread at the same time, You, Carrie, Kristy, where is Freddy boy? You are definitely worried, you are being exposed! You are going to lose, you know it, you are in denial, and that is not a river in Egypt! Your lies, and deception are being exposed….and you all know it! Just keep repeating your little catch phrases as you nod off to sleep, and maybe you can dream about being as hard of a working and caring individual as these people that take care of these fine athletes are, instead of a lying thief! You and your little rat pack should have paid more to your little band of outlaws. Oh, and Carey…make sure you catch one of those Chess Tournaments down there in Florida, there are like 6 of them before the end of the year in Florida, I hear you like to catch those while you are on official business…you know, like if tax write off trip that happens to be in the area….. Oh, and by the way, I see your lawyer told a judge, in the courtroom, that it was your group that pushed this through the CRC process, Hmmmm, I thought Senator Lee, Gaetz and Pam Bondi were behind it? So were they pushing a Constitutional Amendment for an out of state organization? Maybe someone should ask them! What are they going to gain in the future? Hmmmm, as I recall, not one of those three people even stepped foot on a Greyhound Farm, or in a Racing Kennel, even though they were invited many times, things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Tim
July 1, 2018 at 12:58 pm
Hey Eric, this is from YOUR website, a copy of the Florida rules from the DBPR, I see no where in here where they are called “cages” or “warehouses”, the only thing I see is “crates” and “kennels”. And which, the CRATES in the kennels EXCEED the size that the State mandates, You can’t even lie, without lying. https://www.grey2kusa.org/pdf/Florida_Rule_61D-2.023_Animal_Welfare.pdf
https://www.grey2kusa.org/pdf/Florida_Rule_61D-2.023_Animal_Welfare.pdf
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 6:05 pm
The pictures speak for themselves, Tim. The pictures put out by the greyhound racing industry show greyhounds in cages and those cages inside warehouse-like buildings. When you consider those greyhounds are locked in the cages for up to 22 hours per day, it’s clear why so many consider their treatment to be abusive.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 7:04 pm
Again Eric, one more time, they are CRATES, not cages. They are NOT locked in them. The doors open very easily and quickly, no locks on them. They live in KENNELS, not a warehouse type building. There is a BIG difference, but of course since you’ve never been to one, it’s hard for your pea brain to comprehend. And one more time, they are not confined up to 22 hours a day. Are you there? How do you know this? Have you actually timed how long they sleep and rest? No you haven’t and neither has anyone from your scam group. Making assumptions makes you an ASS. How can a greyhound race if they are confined? Can you honestly answer that? Tell me how. I really want to know. I’ll wait.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 7:46 pm
Are they made of metal? Are they fully enclosed? Then they are cages. Can the greyhounds let themselves in and out? No, so they are locked in. A large, single space, is a warehouse. You call it a kennel but it’s still warehouse-like.
I know greyhounds are caged for up to 22 hours a day because pro-racers keep saying they are. There are videos and comments all over the internet that describe the turnouts, including quantities and length. These are from kennel workers and greyhound trainers. Are you calling those workers liars?
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 8:59 pm
Pro racers do not keep saying that. Name ALL of them. Come on, name ALL of them that said that. Not just 1 person. And answer my question, how can a greyhound race if they are confined that long? How? Answer that. You can’t because you know they can’t race if they’re confined that long. They are outside for exercise and play time 3 to 4 times a day. Greyhounds do love to sleep and you know this if you own them. They have to be woken up to go outside and they do. They NEED exercise to keep them in physical shape to race. Ever see the muscles on a greyhound? They don’t get them from laying in a crate all day doofus. You really don’t have any common sense. I can’t believe a grown man can be so uneducated. Try getting your head out of Thiels butt and you might learn a thing or 2.
Craig Laginess
July 1, 2018 at 9:07 pm
I challenge both Grey2k and HSUS paid employees to give up their salaries and actually put the funds towards the dogs. I also challenge any and all of their volunteers to put their donations towards the actual welfare of the dogs. I also challenge the two organizations to quit stealing property and manipulating the property to solicit donations. The leader of Grey2k is a known liar under oath a d the leader of the HSUS had to step down because of sexual misconduct. Vote NO on 13
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 9:16 pm
Most of the volunteers put their money towards the dogs – by donating to groups like GREY2K USA Worldwide and the Vote Yes on 13 campaign. Others contribute by giving up their time and effort on behalf of the dogs.
Are you going to give up your salary to support the dogs and work for nothing? If not, why would you suggest that others do that? Really, put your money where your mouth is.
Craig Laginess
July 1, 2018 at 9:21 pm
Eric, less than one percent of every dollar donated to those organizations actually goes towards the welfare of the dogs. They need to put their money where their mouth is or stop the lies.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 10:20 pm
Craig, you need to stop repeating lies you’ve been told by other pro-racers.
Craig Laginess
July 2, 2018 at 6:27 am
Eric, I’m not the one repeating lies, you are! Less than one percent of all of Grey2k’s revenue actually goes towards the welfare of the dogs and that is a fact proven by their tax returns. Their president has been sued for perjury, another fact. HSUS puts down more healthy dogs in a day than greyhounds have died since they started reporting EVERY death, another fact. Put your money where your mouth is and donate to a pro or neutral racing organization instead of Grey2k. Also, I found out the facts myself by doing research and changed from anti-racing to pro-racing over 15 years ago.
Eric Jackson
July 4, 2018 at 12:35 pm
Craig, clearly you’re not an accountant or a tax lawyer. The Form 990 you’re looking at includes donations and other support in several areas.
Your perjury claim is false. Blatantly false.
I have no idea what HSUS does, but I have not seen any evidence to support your assertions. Surprise, surprise.
Finally, I do put my time and money where my mouth is – I support greyhound adoption and advocacy at the local, national, and now international levels. What do you do for the greyhounds?
Slate McGraw
June 29, 2018 at 11:27 pm
So why is it that your moderators haven’t allowed comments from me or Greg Morse that were very decent? Have been waiting hours to see our views posted but others who commented a short time ago have comments already up.
steve grabarczyk
June 29, 2018 at 11:40 pm
Interesting that the letter supposedly from Mr. Collins is not signed and I have it from a source that the Attorney for the Committee Ms. Rosenblum has not even received the letter yet????? They can’t even get proper procedures right. Just shows the lengths they will go to try to fool the public.
Marissa
June 30, 2018 at 12:05 am
I love this! Jeff always says he wants the public to see the ‘truth’ and then complains when his videos are shown and disected by his opponents publically! Come on. He should be happy that someone else is paying to widen his audience. He’s such a hypocrite. He accuses opponents of racing of lying and that’s all he does. Constantly. When he gets caught lyinging in his videos, he starts crying and wants to sue people even though he likely has no money of his own. I hope he pursues this because he will lose and will have to pay the lawyer fees for BOTH sides! It will serve him right!
The PR videos and the people who represent them should keep publicly talking because they are digging themselves into a hole. All their false claims can easily be fact checked which is SO great!
Whenever I have caught them in any lies, which is too easy, I call them out on it by producing proof of their lies. And their response is just full of hatred, name calling and cursing. They can’t answer questions like how many states is comercial dog racing illegal? Is it OK for a profitable business to be forced to subsidize a losing one? Why do trainers fight every legislation that wants to implement injury reporting, adoption rates, deaths, births etc.?
The only legislation they supported had a clause that allowed traces of cocaine in the dogs. That again just makes them look bad. They don’t know how to support any of their arguments intelligently and just know how to bully people.
Racing is on the way out whether it be this way or through decoupling. It’s a dying business and will eventually end. The dogs will finally win when racing and their exploitation inevitably ends! Can’t wait!
Dick Ciampa
June 30, 2018 at 7:40 am
Eric,
No, a pie chart. It’s a circle cut up like a pie. Sorry, I thought everyone knew what it was. So you’re proving my point with the list in that Carey, Christine you and others always lead the people to believe all deaths are race related which as you can see they are not.
As usual you twist everything around. I never said anyone was racing a dog with cancer, you did. often times a kennel will hold a dogs with a cancer diagnosis till the end. The dog is comfortable being with his friends till the end.
I like how you groups bad meat, sickness and other together. If I remember the bad meat was a very small number of dogs that the vets weren’t sure the cause of death, but thought it “might” be bad meat.
Perhaps you would like to put these deaths in some perspective. From May 2013 to the present how many races were run and how many dogs had the opportunity to get a life ending injury?
Plus, how many dogs break a leg, or sustain other injuries every day in park or backyard accidents?
You can’t just pull numbers out of the air and relate them to nothing.
Janet RV
June 30, 2018 at 1:06 pm
Apparently Mr. Jackson and his buddies don’t realize that pet retired greyhounds in homes of similar age as racers get injured and also die. The injury and mortality rate for racers is not any greater than any household pet.
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 4:12 pm
This isn’t an article about dog parks or anything else. The deaths speak for themselves.
As far as cancer, you’re the one that mentioned it as a cause of death among those dogs.
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
June 30, 2018 at 4:36 pm
Any “dispute” about whether Florida’s racing greyhounds are dying at a rate of one every three days is a canard. Point One: The Division of Pari-Mutuel Racing Rule 61D-2.2023 requires that the deaths of racing greyhounds on track property be reported, so that by definition the universe for reporting is set to racing greyhounds. (Readers can fill in for themselves how some dog deaths are not making it to record given the big loophole in the required reporting) Specifically, the rule requires that “The division [Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering] is notified within 18 hours of the death of any racing greyhound that occurred on the grounds of a greyhound track or
kennel compound.” Point Two: Kennel operators are not in full compliance because even for the deaths they do report, they are failing to state the reason for nearly half of these fatalities! This hardly means that greyhound deaths are not related to racing! The pie chart in our initial report sets this out clearly, showing that in nearly half of reports, kennel operators omitted this key information. What are they hiding? Why won’t they tell the public what is happening to innocent, young greyhounds whose only “fault” was to be bred for money? Read more in our initial report with the first figures released by the state: https://www.grey2kusa.org/pdf/FLdeaths.pdf
Beth
June 30, 2018 at 4:55 pm
If you were to show me something that didn’t come from an organization such as grey2k that is in the business of making money for themselves instead of these dogs then maybe but if the only figures you have is from the thieves at this awful organization then no thank You. I’ll stick to what I have seen first hand with my own eyes. Hopefully the people of Florida are smarter then you activist give them credit for
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
June 30, 2018 at 5:11 pm
These are state records. You can hide from them. Denial is not a campaign strategy, FYI.
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 6:55 pm
Several news sources independently sourced the records, compiled them, and reached the same conclusions. I have posted links to several such articles already.
Dick Ciampa
June 30, 2018 at 7:11 pm
Eric,
Nice try, but you are the one that asked why a greyhound was racing with cancer, I never said anything about the dog racing, just how some of them died.
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 7:16 pm
These death reports are for racing greyhounds, not pets. If they’re not racing, they wouldn’t be in racing kennels. So your statement that some of these dogs died from cancer would indicate the dogs are being raced…with cancer.
And all of this is from your assertion that “sickness” referred to cancer.
Andy
June 30, 2018 at 8:24 am
Mr Carey Stiel lies about his group being associated with Animal Liberation front too
Karen Greb
June 30, 2018 at 8:26 am
All of these deaths we’re talking about, every 3 days on average, for all the reasons mentioned, involve young mostly 2-3 year old dogs. Shame on all of you for perpetuating this disgusting business for your own gain for so many decades with no reforms. Karma’s a bitch. Floridians will not be deceived. YES on 13!
Beth
June 30, 2018 at 8:36 am
If these numbers were true then it would be disgusting. But they aren’t.
Eric Jackson
June 30, 2018 at 4:10 pm
Beth, these numbers are thoroughly documented in track and state records.
Maurice Mizrahi
June 30, 2018 at 10:52 am
While all of you are arguing the merits of this nonsense a dog dies every 3 days in Florida. Racing costs the state money and injuries aren’t required to be reported. Those are the FAVTS In the end racing is barbaric and unfair to these wonderful dogs. The rest is background noise. Yes on 13 it’s the only moral position It’s the only ethical position. It is the only humane position
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
June 30, 2018 at 1:35 pm
Talk about double speak and delusion. To protect their cruelty, Florida greyhound racers are attacking their own documentation of greyhound confinement! In a cynical gambit, they are claiming on this forum that that greyhound confinement footage publicly released by dog track promoter Jeff Sonksen has been “darkened” and “nefariously altered.” Hmmm …
You be the judge. The photos are posted at https://www.facebook.com/VoteYesOn13/ .The first photo is a screen shot from #EveryThreeDays. The second photo is a screen shot from the original Sonksen footage. Ironically, the original Sonksen footage is actually slightly darker!
Please continue to share #EveryThreeDays with everyone you know and Vote Yes on 13!
https://www.facebook.com/VoteYesOn13/videos/224273298188647/
Andy
July 3, 2018 at 8:55 pm
Well, lookie here, it’s the Queen of The Worldwide Leader in Lies and Fraud, tell me Miss Dorkchak, would you care to comment on your oh so heartbreaking rendition video of your ” accident”, you know, the one where you describe it in such detail while you are trolling to scam ” donations”, and then in court you have ” no memory? Or how about attempting to blackmail a WVA gubernatorial candidate in 2012?
Eric Jackson
July 4, 2018 at 12:39 pm
Andy, unless you have evidence to support your ridiculous assertions, you really need to stop. You are claiming crimes that have never happened. You know it’s false but you insist on repeating the lies.
Andy
July 8, 2018 at 2:41 pm
Hey pal, Google ‘ extortion grey2k west Virginia’ and there is the TRUTH . As for liar Christine, she either lied in court or on the video, simple as that
Eric Jackson
July 8, 2018 at 4:52 pm
Once again, you should try to read the story, not just look at the pictures. Your claims are baseless.
Andy
July 10, 2018 at 9:32 am
There are no pictures in the blackmail TRUE article, just FACTS. Maybe if you had a good steak once in awhile you would know that. Getting little protein iI bet you’re aweak little atheist
Tim
June 30, 2018 at 1:43 pm
Easy solution here….POST THE ENTIRE VIDEO! Than there is no question as to whether the Greyhound Industry wants the video to be seen, and than there is no altering of the video by you! So put your money where your mouth is, post all of Jeff’s video’s on the vote yes website, grey@k website, and their Facebook page’s, for all to see, and they can judge for themselves. How much fairer can we get? Unless you are willing to do this, than stop talking, you are showing everyone what your real motive is, which is to deceive everyone! And that is the complaint about what you are doing with the video’s! By all means, please show them ALL, BUT, in their ENTIRETY, UN-EDITED! So put up…or shut up! It’s a real easy thing to do, just let him “share”, all of the entire videos to your websites, and leave them there, instead of deleting anything that doesn’t suit your agenda, as you always do. You want to talk TRUTH, than show all of Florida, that you are willing to show them ALL of them in their ENTIRETY! So until you are willing to do this, please….don’t anyone of you talk trash about the Greyhound Industry not wanting anyone to see these videos, there is nothing more we would rather have! And it shows how ridiculous and grasping for straws you are. However, ENTIRE videos, un-edited and un-altered. PUT UP >>>OR SHUT UP! Believe Your Eyes, Not The Lies! NO ON 13! NO ON 13! NO ON 13! So, I have one question for Carey Theil, you are on this thread, will you allow all of Jeff’s video’s to be shared to your website, in their entirety, if he agreed to it, or will you not. Just a YES or NO will suffice.
Tim
July 1, 2018 at 11:54 am
No takers?!?!? Wow, there is a surprise. People, this should tell you it all, please go to Facebook and look for painthetrail, and greyhoundchronicles, and committee to support greyhounds. You can view these videos, in their entirety, and many more from others as well at these pages. And than you can make a decision for yourself, either for, or against, but at least make the decision based on some truth, not propaganda. Or, at any of those pages, just ask people, they will be able to help set up a visit to a farm or kennel. And ask questions!
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 12:29 pm
Unless you are in control of a kennel or farm, you have no authority to tell people to visit. This is a common ploy – “Why don’t you visit?” or “You should come and see.” But the people making those offers are in no position to actually grant access. Those who could grant access won’t do so.
Tim
July 1, 2018 at 2:17 pm
Oh what a liar you are, I AM in control of a kennel AND a farm, and know many others who also are, are you? No, didn’t think so, you claim to know everything, but you are a liar and a cheat, and YOU have no authority to tell people they can’t! And as you have proven by taking Jeff Sonksens videos, and edited them to suit your agenda, you have no desire to show the truth! His videos DO show what really goes on, the problem is, you pick what you want, that suites your agenda and alter them. Show the whole video! Put the entire video on your grey@k website, and your facebook page, and your campaign website, in their ENTIRETY, and let the people decide! Than there is no question, otherwise shut the hell up! And to those of you that are reading Eric’s stupid comment above, please contact your local racetrack and ask to be put in touch with a Kennel or farm to come visit for yourself. Oh and BTW, As I recall, Eric, you were offered to come to kennels and farms in Arizona, I believe people even said they would pay your way……..where were you? So stick your comments…in a filing cabinet! So put your money where your mouth is….POST THE WHOLE VIDEO! Are you scared? If it is what you want them to see, you should have no problem doing it right!?!?! POST IT, OR KEEP QUITE! Funny how you 3 sit on here, and try to trash talk this, and make comments like, this is their own video and they are mad we are showing people it, but you are lying and deceiving as usual, POST ALL THE VIDEOS IN THEIR ENTIRETY, OR KEEP QUITE! END IT! You will get what you want, show the whole thing!!! But you and I BOTH know, you won’t, it would cost you dearly, and we BOTH know that! So if you are a Floridian and you are reading this, ask these people whom have claimed responsibility for pushing #13 onto your states constitution, to show the whole video, so you can decide for yourself! Or go visit a kennel, there were just 50 people in a group that went through the kennels the other day in Orlando, they have a whole different outlook today. See it here https://www.facebook.com/painttheseminoletrail/videos/1689466187768086/?hc_ref=ARRT9Hphclo2kdVAThOQkGFBJZbfPCXWDF4m8gXcM5fS5R9Jl8fxH-RJ0XmdA2wgKts Again, you prove you are a liar!
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 2:43 pm
Great, so are you going to offer an invitation to come and visit? When and where, “Tim”?
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 2:44 pm
Your “memory” about Arizona is another falsehood.
When and where, Tim?
Eric Jackson
July 4, 2018 at 12:40 pm
Still waiting for a response, Tim. When and where can I come and inspect, I mean visit, your kennel and farm?
Tim
July 1, 2018 at 3:07 pm
Eric, neither, you, Carey, Christine, or any other of your little henchman will ever be welcome in my kennel, or farm, or any other for that matter I would suggest. We are wanting the public to come view for themselves, so they can make their own decision, and see with their own eyes, you are a radical, and have an agenda, you will never change your mind, so there is no reason to waste one moment of time trying. You have admitted that before on comment boards. All you will do is look for anything that you can complain about, You are not welcome, period, the invitation is to people who can think for themselves, and want to learn and make an educated decision on a vote that is very important to a lot of peoples lives, should it remain on the ballot in November. The only reason I spend time on this comment section, is not to in any way, shape or form, try to change your little mind on anything, it’s only to make sure the people reading this are getting the truth, or at least the opportunity to judge what is and isn’t for themselves, don’t flatter yourself thinking I’m spending any of my time trying to convince YOU of anything. You have a good day, I have things to do, and have made my point. Oh and BTW, you were invited in Arizona, people offered to pay, and you never showed up, lie about it all you want, but it is on comment boards from back then, would just have to do a lot of searching to find it, and you aren’t worth that waste of my or anyone’s time. But it happened, you missed your opportunity.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 5:12 pm
Thanks for again proving the lie that anyone is welcome at kennels or farms. It’s the same response I always get from people like you –
“Why don’t you come and see?”
Okay, when and where.
“Not my kennel/farm!”
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 5:13 pm
Again, Tim, either put up or shut up about Arizona or anywhere else.
Your lies about kennels and farms are going to convince even more people to Vote Yes on 13.
ATTN: JIM ROSICA
June 30, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Hi Jim Rosica, I just wanted to point out an error in your article above, it has been a common error about #13. You stated “Amendment 13, placed on the November statewide ballot by the 2017-18 Constitution Revision Commission, would outlaw betting on dog races in Florida beginning in 2021.” in your third paragraph, this is false. It would not “outlaw betting on dog races in Florida” It would, ban racing dogs in Florida. This is part of the issue at hand, as many on the CRC who were against this being put on the ballot had brought up, you are still able to wager on Greyhound racing IN the state of Florida at the same places you are able to now, but, wagering on Greyhound Racing in other states via simulcasting. This is an issue several brought up, if it is really as cruel and inhumane as these people are stating, than why would we ban it in the state, but still allow it to be wagered on from other states. That was brought up by several CRC members, and it was just pushed aside. This is part of the argument to be made that this is only being done to allow all of these small casino’s to pop up with cardrooms and slots all over the state. Thank You for the work you are doing in keeping everyone informed, just wanted to clarify that statement.
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
July 1, 2018 at 1:15 am
Setting aside all the noise from dog racing defenders about the release of their own footage, taken to promote their own position (oops – that didn’t quite work out) it is hard to believe that greyhound breeders are still claiming that dog racing is profitable. Who are they trying to fool? Since 1990, the amount wagered on greyhound racing in the Sunshine State has declined by 74% and tax revenue has dropped by 98%.
The truth is that there is a decades-old statute that requires gambling facilities to hold dog races in order to offer more profitable forms of betting. It is only because of this legal mandate that dog racing has continued. In fact, greyhounds have been running around in circles with no one watching for years. In 2016, Florida dog tracks lost a combined $34.8 million on racing. According to a study commissioned by the legislature, the state itself is losing between $1 million and $3.3 million annually because regulatory costs exceed tax revenues.
The handwriting is on the wall. Greyhound racing is no longer popular and is costing gentle dogs their lives. Let’s stop subsidizing this cruelty and vote to set aside the state law that forces local businesses to lose money. Please Vote Yes for the Taxpayers and Yes for the Dogs. Lend your support to Amendment 13 in November. It’s just the right thing to do.
Watch The Entire Video
July 1, 2018 at 11:34 am
As usual, you are not being truthful Christine. It was even explained at the CRC meeting by a CRC member that actually DID his homework and called the DBPR and investigated, and the state is actually MAKING money from regulatory fees! So just keep parroting your BS, it’s helping us tremendously, and again, why don’t you sign your posts like normal……
Christine Dorchak
GREY@K————-BOSTON MASSACHUSETTS
Supreme Leader and wife of Carey Theill 2nd in command.
And did your lawyer tell a judge in a courtroom a few days ago, that it was your group that pushed this through the CRC hearings to be put on the ballot? I thought it was Senator Tom Lee, Gaetz and AG Pam Bondi, whom by the way, never visited a kennel or farm during the entire CRC process. But were they pushing an agenda for you? An out of state organization, to make a change to the Florida Constitution? Just curious! Trying to figure out their motive, or maybe it’s interest from others that want to have Casino’s and Cardrooms pop up all over the state that they are not telling the public about?!?!? Hmmmmmmmmmm But your days of deceiving people are over, deal with it! And just curious if you have had any interaction with the group that is listed on the State Departments list of Domestic Terrorists, ALF (Animal Liberation Front), I know you have had some type of Involvement/Association/Keynote Speaker, or something like that with them in the past, I seen a picture of you on their website at some point. I am just curious if you still have any connections to them? I sure hope not, just google Animal Liberation Front Attacks, and see all of the Arson, firebombing and atrocious acts they have been involved in, including to many Universities that our children attend! They are a dangerous group, makes me wonder why senators and CRC members would have listened to groups that have had ANY involvement with groups like that! I see the HSUS also lost it’s leader and CEO, Wayne Pacelle, for, is it sexual harassment? Surprised, I thought he would have lost his job for only giving .5% of donations to causes that actually help the animals. Man, it’s really getting scary in the animal activist industry! Oh, and since you are in the habit of wanting to list Greyhounds that have unfortunately lost their lives since 2013, can you please ask your friend in the Humane Society, to give us the list of the 10’s of thousands (maybe 100’s) of animals they have euthanized in that time period? Oh, tell her that anytime they want to sit down and compare numbers and adoption rates with the Greyhound Industry, let us know! As a matter of fact, please tell ANY other industry that handles animals that wants to compare adoption rates and injury rates, come see us! BEST CARED FOR BREED IN THE WORLD…..GREYHOUNDS!! Vote NO on 13 NO on 13 No on 13! Go visit a kennel, ask questions, learn for yourself! Watch ALL of Jeff’s videos at Painthetrail, and GreyhoundChronicles. And check out HUMANEWATCH, see how the HSUS is stacking up these days! Support your local animal shelter!
Fred Barton
July 1, 2018 at 4:56 pm
Sorry my friend, but the state loses money on greyhouD racing. Here’s a quote from a story in the Orlando Sentinal:
The Greyhound Protection Amendment would reduce gambling by more than $200 million a year — a step that will put tax dollars back into the pockets of hard-working families across the state. This is because the state spends between $1 million and $3.3 million of your tax dollars annually to subsidize this dying industry since regulatory costs exceed revenues.
And here’s one from the Tallahassee Democrat:
In 2016, Florida dog tracks lost a combined $34.8 million on racing, which is only made viable for by offering other forms of gambling. According to a study commissioned by the Florida Legislature, the state is losing between $1 million and 3.3 million annually because regulatory costs exceed revenues.
And the St Augustine Record:
Taxes paid by greyhound tracks fell even more dramatically, hitting $2.8 million in 2016, down from $13.8 million in 2006.
There are more, but I think you get the point.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 1, 2018 at 6:59 pm
Fred…. Can you please provide some proof to back up your comment about the state of Florida using tax payer money to subsidize racing?
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 8:00 pm
Did you not see the quotes and their sources? It was the Florida legislature’s own study, conducted in 2013, that revealed the state was spending more to regulate the industry than they were taking in.
The entire report is available on the Spectrum Gaming website: https://spectrumgaming.com/reports/ – look under 2013 for the link.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 1, 2018 at 8:11 pm
2013??? Really…. how did 2017 compare?
Jennifer Newcome
July 1, 2018 at 9:37 pm
That was the exact same thing that Lee got called out on during the session. When asked the date of his letter of “proof” he was forced to reveal that it was indeed from 2013. Low and behold, another CRC member called the DBPR and was given quite different information. He was told that the state indeed takes in more money than it costs to regulate. And now, the attorney who represents Yes on 13 said in open court that Grey2K and HSUS were in essence the proposers of the Amendment. Sounds to me like Lee abused his position by allowing an out of state radical activist group to comprise an Amendment that if passed, will change Floridas Constitution. I hope that all of his constituents have taken notice of that. If not, you better believe that they will…
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 10:21 pm
Every measure of greyhound racing has shown the revenue is in a steady state of decline. You think that the state has magically brought in more revenue from less income? I know you folks have trouble with math, but come on…
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 12:25 pm
I’m asking about the tax dollars mentioned NOT revenue. I know it’s hard for you guys to stay on topic, but come on.
Andy
July 3, 2018 at 9:45 pm
Fred always goes silent when someone wants proof, like he goes silent when asked to comment on the growing ever longer list of fraudulent acts
Fred Barton
July 4, 2018 at 7:15 am
Come on Andy. I’ve already done that. Twice. Once the source was dismissed and when I provided the source document I was told it was too old. You guys just play this delaying game to avoid dealing with the reality of the situation. But what the heck, I’ll play along. Again. The source is the Spectrum Report commissioned by the state of Florida in 2013. Here’s the link. Again. BTW, you’ll notice that the link originates at the state itself.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/GamingStudy/docs/FGIS_Spectrum_28Oct2013.pdf
Eric Jackson
July 4, 2018 at 12:24 pm
Sabrina – the money paid in taxes is based on the revenue raised. The revenue has continued to decline, therefore the amount raised in taxes has also declined. The state paid $400,000 for an independent report in 2013 that showed the state was already losing money. We can properly deduce that the state is paying even more now than they were then.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 1, 2018 at 7:41 pm
Hey Fred…. your silly comment where you are listing news outlets snippets about racing and tax dollars….
PRICELESS!!! The amount of erroneous info you “copy/paste” on your comment posts should be embarrassing for you.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 8:00 pm
Perhaps you should post your own information.
Fred Barton
July 1, 2018 at 9:21 pm
I didn’t expect that you would believe multiple reports by different news outlets. I mean, they’re probably all in GREY2K’s pocket, right? Just like all the politicians that disagree with you, the CRC, and anyone who happens to think the heartless commodification and exploitation of innocent greyhounds for profit is wrong.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 1, 2018 at 10:06 pm
Fred you are saying that the news snippets are accurate??? Come on… the Florida State taxes DO NOT SUBSIDIZE racing. Your lies and deceit are endless.
Fred Barton
July 2, 2018 at 7:47 am
The newspapers are merely reporting what the Spectrum report found. You can see for yourself:
Gaming Impact Study: Report for Florida Legislature
Report prepared for the State of Florida Legislature, October 28, 2013
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/GamingStudy/docs/FGIS_Spectrum_28Oct2013.pdf
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 4:47 pm
Really??? The spectrum report said that Florida tax payers subsidize racing??? BS!
Fred Barton
July 2, 2018 at 5:10 pm
I understand why you don’t want to read the report. You probably know what’s in it. I think you should though. I’ll give you a little tease. Here’s a quote from page 80:
Melbourne paid just $9,220 in state taxes, Ebro $21,545, and Jefferson County
$93,504. That de minimis revenue clearly was not enough to cover the costs of regulating those facilities. Thus, their closures could be a net gain for the State treasury.
Go on. Go read it. Put on your big boy pants and look at what they found.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 6:14 pm
It’s five years old! Get some current reports and I’ll read them. SMH
Fred Barton
July 2, 2018 at 9:37 pm
This is called moving the goal posts. First the news reports aren’t good enough, then when I provide the report they came from it’s too old. If you’re in the industry you knew about the Spectrum report, and you knew when it was written. I’m beginning to think you don’t want to know the truth.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 9:49 pm
Fred you must be joking? No one moves goal posts better than you and your scam buddies. If newspapers are quoting old info from 5 yrs ago… that’s disappointing. But it’s PATHETIC that you are sharing the same old and currently irrelevant information. Nice try LOL
Fred Barton
July 3, 2018 at 7:38 am
Well, things may be irrelevant only in the sense that they’ve gotten worse since the Spectrum report. More tracks have closed, including Flagler, more money has fled the industry and more dogs have been injured and killed.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 9:53 pm
Fred,
Would you also like to argue a study about the Florida housing market from 2013? I hope not because the numbers are entirely different 5 yrs later.
Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Fred Barton
July 3, 2018 at 7:39 am
Google false equivalence.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 10:47 pm
Dorchak… please explain this except from your post….
“In 2016, Florida dog tracks lost a combined $34.8 million on racing. According to a study commissioned by the legislature, the state itself is losing”
You mention the year 2016. But… in the next sentance you referenced “a study” ???
What year was the study?
Andy
July 3, 2018 at 9:50 pm
Fred likes the word ‘irrelevant”, he applies it to lying dorkchak video/perjury in court, admitting to fraudulent ads in Mass blackmail, losing defamation lawsuit, and on and on. Betcha he loves Little Debbie too
Eric Jackson
July 4, 2018 at 12:42 pm
Again, Andy – there is no perjury and never has been. Quit lying.
There have been no fraudulent ads. Quit lying.
There has never been an accusation of blackmail. Quit lying.
The defamation suit was won by GREY2K USA Worldwide, not lost. Quit lying.
Andy
July 8, 2018 at 12:53 pm
Read what weirdo Eric wrote, the accident story is ‘ lies told by pro racing people’ YET: She remembers the accident in GREAT DETAIL in the shameless video, yet having ‘ no memory’ is in COURT DOCUMENTS, THEY ASK HER TWICE. What complete frauds
Andy
July 8, 2018 at 2:46 pm
I see, no perjury then she told the truth in court. So, that is 100 percent certain she is LYING in the video, and what a performance it was. She should have won an Oscar
Eric Jackson
July 8, 2018 at 4:56 pm
Hey, Andy, when are you going to tell us about your role at Ebro? You keep bringing up irrelevant lies, misstatements, and half-truths, but you have never actually come clean about your own position.
Why don’t you tell us about your expertise in human memory, too. What background do you have in psychology? Have you done any research or training in memory function?
You’re so wrapped up in a false narrative you can’t even tell the truth about yourself.
Jennifer Newcome
July 3, 2018 at 12:20 am
Tell that to the already under funded Florida Department of Education, who received over $700,000 from the taxes paid by the Florida greyhound industry last year. Tell those teachers who will get laid off that it was because their pay came from a business that may have declined somewhat over time. And make sure that you tell them that over $2billion untaxed dollars were wagered on greyhounds through ADW wagering. I’m sure that will alleviate the stress that they feel when they get their pink slip because the greyhound business was paying their salaries. Good thing we won’t have to worry about that 😁
Andy
July 3, 2018 at 9:05 pm
But you are not a resident of this state, nor you you pay taxes, quote all the fake statistics you like, do you remember the Chairman of the Crooked CRC saying he talked to the GM of PBKC and he said they MADE money. Tell me, where does the money for the HUGE superfecta payoffs come from if tracks are bleeding money as you say. The answer is, as has been proven many times, is that you are a con artist, a LIAR. TRUMP2020
Show the Whole Video
July 1, 2018 at 12:42 pm
Here is another nice picture to view……http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-x9vpPVSkHHk/T0zmckKnTfI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/C98L4ba4uaQ/s1600/ALF+and+DORCHAK.jpg
Andy
July 3, 2018 at 9:52 pm
Yea, everyone needs to see that one, Dorkchak a proud affiliate of ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT>
Eric Jackson
July 4, 2018 at 12:43 pm
Another lie, Andy. Quit lying.
Show the Whole Video
July 1, 2018 at 12:45 pm
Another nice one…….Hypocrites a bit? http://grey2klies.blogspot.com/2015/03/grey2k-more-hypocrisy.html
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 1:24 pm
Afraid to put your real name out there? How old is that picture? And if you try to find it now, you won’t – because they were told to take it down. There was, and never has been, a connection between ALF and GREY2K USA Worldwide.
Andy
July 8, 2018 at 2:54 pm
I found it just today, yet another LIE
Eric Jackson
July 8, 2018 at 4:57 pm
Nope. You’ve lied so much I just don’t believe anything you say anymore, Andy.
Show th Whole Video
July 1, 2018 at 2:49 pm
It didn’t say a connection with ALF and grey@k, the picture is clearly of Christine Dorchak. And LMAO!! Boy the pot calling the kettle black!! Did you actually just state……wait for it……..”because they were told to take it down”…..on this comment thread…….OH THE IRONY !! Man I gave you way to much credit in the intelligence department! LMAO!! I’m done with this guy!!! LOL
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 1, 2018 at 3:00 pm
Hey Dorchak… while you keep posting the same comments over and over at an attempt to sound credible… you might want to hire an editor. I can’t be the only one who noticed your obvious ERRORS. I also find it pathetic that you are using this thread to try to convince people that your group has not committed theft of property. If you really believed that, you wouldn’t be desperately putting it on a social media thread and trying to intimidate or dissuade people.
Joyce Carta
July 1, 2018 at 3:55 pm
So much on which to comment, but I will confine what I have to say to what I have seen with my own eyes and nursed with my own hands. You racing proponents do manipulate the smoke and mirrors and you have much practice to draw on. In my time as a rescuer/re-homer of “retired” (actually injured or damaged is more accurate) racing greyhounds there have been catastrophic bone breaks, bone crushes, compound fractures, internal injuries, massive brain damage, spinal misalignments, in addition to conditions that went untreated and therefore increased in severity and danger to the animal. These dogs, and yes I am speaking of recent history, were treated to the very best of our ability and ALL those that could be saved were saved. Florida is fortunate in having extremely competent small animal veterinarians, not to mention the enormous skill set at UF. Little did we know that video-ing every instance of horrific damage to a dog and how the treatment was handled would be so convincing now. ALL OF THE INJURIES WE SAW AND TREATED were caused by racing accidents or racing conditions. Every single one. And that I would be pleased to swear to in Court. Every Floridian with both a heart and a brain will vote YES on 13. And I’ll save you the trouble of looking me up, I am also honored to be a member of the GREY2KUSA Worldwide Board.
Jennifer Newcome
July 1, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Did you ever get that Veterinarian proof to back up your outlandish accusation about an injury that was left untreated? It’s been several weeks now…
Jennifer Newcome
July 1, 2018 at 9:51 pm
I didn’t think so. You threw this claim out a month ago. When I asked you for proof of your allegation, you said that you didn’t have it on your person. Understandable. I’ve asked you several times since if you have the Veterinarian report pertaining to that dog, only to be met with excuses and crickets. How can anyone believe a single thing that you say?
Show the Whole Video
July 1, 2018 at 5:32 pm
“”And I’ll save you the trouble of looking me up, I am also honored to be a member of the GREY2KUSA Worldwide Board.””
Not everybody is perfect.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 8:44 pm
Dennis McKeon
8 mins
…
TRYING TO REASON WITH HURRICANE SEASON
This is the time of year that I usually begin to check the Weather Underground “severe weather” reports. I don’t like hurricanes. They knock over trees. I like trees. Just not on, nor through the roof of the house.
So my first of many yearly excursions to that estimable web page, brought to mind the hurricane of 2017, called Irma. It posed a clear and present danger to the state of Florida (among others). There was a great deal of concern not only for the residents of Florida, but for the estimated 8-10,000 actively racing greyhounds who live and race there.
In hindsight, it is interesting to note, that the same people who call themselves “greyhound protectors”, and who are politically active today, in attempting to ban greyhound racing in Florida, thereby disenfranchising many of those 8-10,000 greyhounds, had an equally curious strategy, then, to “protect” those greyhounds.
As Florida residents undertook a mass exodus of their state, gridlocking highways and emptying gas stations up and down the isthmus, the self-styled experts behind today’s “Committee to Protect Dogs”, were demanding that the greyhounds of Florida join the insanity.
Insisting that the kennels at the various racetracks were not built well enough to withstand the force of a Category 4 hurricane, they were trumpeting all over the media, that Florida’s racing greyhounds should be evacuated, 10-12 at a time, if need be, to who knows where. And that it was the height of unconcern for Florida’s racing professionals not to do so at once.
Naturally, people who actually understand and know how to care for large colonies of greyhounds, were virtually dumbstruck by the pure absurdity of such an impracticable and dangerous suggestion, which, when amplified incessantly by the media, became a more of a taunt.
Fortunately, Florida’s greyhound racing professionals did not panic, and as greyhound racing professionals always have done, they chose to ride out the storm, and to stay in the kennels with their greyhounds. Because that’s what real greyhound protectors do. They place the greyhounds first. Not their agenda, and not their personal safety.
And not a single greyhound, nor their attendant trainers or kennel owners in the state of Florida, was harmed by the considerable rage of Hurricane Irma—despite the dire warnings and taunts of those self-styled experts, who are now the braintrust of ‘The Committee To Protect Dogs”.
Courtesy of the Committee to Protect Dogs. this year’s brainstorm of “greyhound protection”, for those of you who aren’t aware, is to ban greyhound racing in Florida, via a Constitutional Amendment, to be voted on by the public. Demonstrating once again, that “fake greyhound protectors”, should be feared more by greyhounds, than Armageddon hurricanes. Or by the prospect of thousands of Florida’s greyhounds having to be re-homed by independent adoption groups, without any contingency plan built into the proposed legislation.
Meanwhile, the “greyhound protectors”, or the Committee to Protect Dogs, or whatever counter-intuitive name they are calling themselves by then, will ride off into the sunset, as they always have, without a care or concern in the world for any of that.
Just like Hurricane Irma did.
copyright, 2018
(with acknowledgment to Jimmy Buffet)
Here’s Something for FL voters to think about. No one cares about and loves their greyhounds more than the owners, kennel owners, handlers and trainers. Grey2K was NOWHERE to be found when the hurricane was coming. They don’t give a rat’s ass about greyhounds, only about making money from people who fall for their lies. They won’t care what happens to the greyhounds if racing is banned either. They’ll just walk away from all of it. This, my friends is the TRUTH. Don’t believe the lies, look with your eyes.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 8:48 pm
Once again, claims made without a shred of documentary support. Is this supposed to be relevant?
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 10:29 pm
It was documented. It is relevant. And it is very true. Where were YOU last year when this hurricane was coming? Why didn’t you help the greyhounds? You know why? Because none of you activists give a damn about greyhounds. In fact, you were all quite disappointed when none were hurt or killed. You had nothing to cry about. Where will you be if thousands of greyhounds have to be moved out of their kennels if racing is banned? Will you be there? Will you be adopting any? No you won’t. Neither will Dorchak or Thiel. They will be traveling around the world laughing because greyhounds will be homeless. They HATE greyhounds and that is the honest to Gods truth! You are all evil, rotten people with one agenda, get rid of greyhounds. That is sick. I just wish I could see you all rot in hell. What a glorious day that will be.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 10:40 pm
Where is it documented, Ruth? Dennis “Why use one word when you can instead use half a page of inane drivel” McKeon is not a credible source.
Where will I be when, not if, racing ends and greyhounds need homes? The same place I’ve been as thousands of greyhounds have been dumped after racing – working with rescue groups locally and nationally to ensure every one of those greyhounds gets an appropriate, loving home. Where will you be? How many greyhounds are you going to take care of when there’s no profit to be made from them?
I think you’re projecting again. You are the only person who has talked about “hating” greyhounds. What a ridiculous statement. I’ve been involved in greyhound rescue and advocacy for many years. During all that time I’ve not made a dime from my work. I do it because I love greyhounds and I want to see every one of them live out a happy, healthy life as a beloved companion.
You seem preoccupied with burning in hell, too. This is at least the second time you have talked about it. All I can say is, it’s your hell, you burn in it.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 1, 2018 at 10:58 pm
You are a liar. Working with groups locally and nationally. How are you going to be all over the country at the same time? You’ll be where you always are, sitting home gloating. I never said I hated greyhounds. I love greyhounds and will fight to keep them racing with every breath I have. I am exposing all of your lies and every pro racing person is too. You are slowly going down. More and more people are seeing through your lies and learning the truth. Racing won’t be banned. Keep dreaming. If you love greyhounds so much why do you want to destroy them? Taking away what they love to do is abuse. You are an abusive dog person. You want to destroy what hundreds of years have made these wonderful dogs into. And the reality of it is, you don’t care. Dennis McKeon is a very reliable source. He has worked with greyhounds and owned racing greyhounds for decades. He is more reliable than anyone. I think when I posted this I hit a nerve. There is nothing in that that isn’t the truth and that is killing you. You want so desperately to tear it apart and you can’t. It is the gospel truth. None of you were anywhere in FL last year to help or donate money, food or water for these greyhounds. You don’t care.
Eric Jackson
July 1, 2018 at 11:15 pm
Ruth, calm down! I work with local groups and I also work with national groups. It shouldn’t be that hard to wrap your mind around. Nobody said anything about being all over the country at the same time.
Again, you’re the one talking about hating greyhounds, Ruth. That seems like projecting to me. You’re assigning your own feelings to others – in this case me. If you truly loved greyhounds, why would you want to keep them running around a track knowing that they are at risk of serious injury and death?! That’s not love.
Dennis McKeon is not a reliable source for facts. He’s posting without citation or other documentation. That does not make for a credible source of facts.
Let me know when you actually post a fact. I’ll keep looking but it’s seeming like a waste of my time. You keep posting lies and suppositions. Have you looked at the references I posted for you regarding vegan diets? Feel free to apologize at any time.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 2, 2018 at 11:26 am
Oh yeah right, like I would apologize for telling the truth. I tell the truth. You can’t handles the truth. Are you saying I hate greyhounds? You are o damn delusional and out of your mind. I love greyhounds and I love watching them race and doing what they love to do. If you love greyhounds why are so hell bent on destroying them? Answer that one. You are destroying the greyhound that has been purposely bred for hundreds of years to the breed we have today. You will NEVER get another pure bred fine blood line from greyhounds ever again if you ban them. That is the HONEST TO GOD truth. Do you really think that the breeders can continue to breed these wonderful dogs without racing? Do you know it takes over a thousand dollars a month for 1 kennel to keep these greyhounds healthy and happy? Where do you think kennel owners will get that money from? Oh You don’t give a damn do you? You don’t have any love at all for this breed. It’s not me that hates them, it’s you and your lying, deceitful group. Denies McKeon is a VERY reliable source. He’s been around greyhounds for decades. You have not. So why would anyone in their right mind believe anything you say? Get the facts. Get the truth. Stop the lies and deceit. Vote NO on13.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 6:49 pm
Hey Eric…. can you tell me the name of the greyhound adoption groups that mentioned??? The one where you helped place thousands of greyhounds? I’m using your own words… can you please for once give a straight answer?
Eric Jackson
July 2, 2018 at 7:02 pm
“The one where you helped place thousands of greyhounds? ”
Sorry, Sabrina, but that’s not what I said. I work with local and national groups, is what I said, and that’s true. And adoption groups have placed tens of thousands of greyhounds over the years – greyhounds that the racing industry had no use for and put no value in once the industry couldn’t exploit them any longer.
It’s because of my work in adoption and advocacy that I wholeheartedly support the Protect Dogs – Yes on 13 committee and their work. Greyhounds deserve better than the exploitation of the racing industry.
Craig Laginess
July 2, 2018 at 7:08 pm
Eric, once again your dodging questions. Why aren’t we surprised. Keep drinking the koolaid the courts and/or voters will find about the lies of Grey2k and the HSUS and how they pushed the proposed amendment through without a fair hearing.
Eric Jackson
July 2, 2018 at 8:23 pm
Sabrina’s question was answered.
If you need a tutorial on how Florida government works, I can find you some resources.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 9:36 pm
I realize that you think you are clever. Unfortunately ….You have contradicted yourself numerous times in this thread.
Thanks LOL
Sabrina Iwanowicz
July 2, 2018 at 11:51 pm
Eric….
“Sorry, Sabrina, but that’s not what I said. I work with local and national groups, is what I said, and that’s true. And adoption groups have placed tens of thousands of greyhounds over the years –“
Nice splice job… connecting your work ……to a separate statement about Adoption groups placing Greyhounds.
Very sneaky… SMH
Eric Jackson
July 4, 2018 at 12:45 pm
Sabrina, go back and read what I posted again. You ‘spliced’ the information in your comment to my post. I merely pointed you were incorrect in your interpretation.
Andy
July 8, 2018 at 2:49 pm
Sounds like our weakling liar is an atheist too
Jennifer Newcome
July 1, 2018 at 9:54 pm
And don’t forget that they were soliciting donations for the racing greyhounds in Florida for the Hurricane. What it should have said was “Donate to OUR next trip to Florida” as no greyhound saw a single penny. I truly think that they were disappointed when not a single greyhound perished or was injured as a result of Irma. Disgusting…
Christine A. Dorchak, Esq.
July 6, 2018 at 10:42 pm
I am truly amazed at the double face that greyhound breeders are trying to put on their cynical campaign against Amendment 13, which would phase out dog racing in Florida by 2020.
To do this, industry promoters need more than anything to hide the facts from the public. Ironically, their own promotional video and their own spokespersons admit that racing greyhounds live confined in stacked metal cages for up to 23 hours a day! https://youtu.be/BXCNwy8o0H0
In other cases, they rationalize their cruelty. They feed dogs cheap meat from downed and diseased animals and brag about it. Worse still, racing participants deny the significance of injuries and deaths. When confronted with state records that show a racing greyhound dies every three days, they change the subject.
Who are they kidding? These folks are not telling the truth. They are only trying to further enrich themselves by keeping thousands of gentle hounds running for their lives.
Floridians should Vote Yes to Protect Dogs on Amendment 13, so this outdated and callous activity can be put where it belongs – in the past.
R Shaw
July 6, 2018 at 10:59 pm
Wow, the world record of lies all in one paragraph highlighted by the dog food lie. Vote No on Amendment 13.
Eric Jackson
July 6, 2018 at 11:38 pm
Greyhounds are commonly fed 4D meat. The four D’s, by the way, are dead, dying, disabled, or diseased animals. It’s not even an industry secret – it’s common knowledge.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 7, 2018 at 10:53 am
Hey Eric, if you look it up, there is no such thing as 4D meat, never has been. Greyhounds can’t live or stay healthy on diseased meat. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows this. They get ground beef mixed with kibble, vitamins, vegetables and rice or pasta. The FDA has no listing for 4D meat and never has. Making up another lie. This is all you know how to do. And by the way, the same ground meat that greyhounds eat is the same meat that is made into commercial dog food you buy in stores. Yes, that is true. Look it up. Racing greyhounds get fed better than most dogs in homes. That is another true statement. Just stop the lying already. How do you live with yourself?
Eric Jackson
July 7, 2018 at 11:06 am
The FDA absolutely recognizes 4D meat, as does the greyhound racing industry:
https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/ComplianceManuals/CompliancePolicyGuidanceManual/ucm074712.htm
“*CVM is aware of the sale of dead, dying, disabled, or diseased (4-D) animals to salvagers for use as animal food. Meat from these carcasses is boned and the meat is packaged or frozen without heat processing. The raw, frozen meat is shipped for use by several industries, including pet food manufacturers, zoos, greyhound kennels, and mink ranches. This meat may present a potential health hazard to the animals that consume it and to the people who handle it.*”
Greyhound kennels, Ruth. It’s not a secret – it’s an accepted fact. The greyhound industry doesn’t deny that they use this stuff so why are you trying to argue it’s not true?
The meat is, by law, adulterated so it cannot be sold for human consumption:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/342
R Shaw
July 7, 2018 at 12:04 pm
Then you know that this meat is commonly used and comes from reputable slaughterhouses & mixed with vegetables and vitamins because greyhounds thrive on this diet. The meat does require proper handling but you intentionally lie when you make a narrative that greyhounds are being mistreated by eating a scientifically approved diet. No to Amendment 13!
Eric Jackson
July 7, 2018 at 12:22 pm
The meat requires proper handling because it’s a potential health risk to people and animals. Show me the science that recommends feeding this stuff to greyhounds since you claim it’s “scientifically approved.”
There’s no lie in saying greyhounds are fed a diet containing 4D meat. You’ve acknowledged that.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 7, 2018 at 1:40 pm
Eric, what are you STUPID or something? I never acknowledged they are fed 4D meat. I said there is no such thing. Can’t you comprehend that? How do you get ground beef out of 4D meat? Where did I say it was scientifically approved? I said the ADA does not have 4D meat on their listings of meats and they don’t because there is no such thing. Do you really, honestly think greyhounds can stay healthy or even alive on diseased and decayed meat? You can’t be that gullible to believe that. Come on Eric, you must be smarter than that. I know Thiel and Dorchak are that stupid, but you too? If greyhounds ate bad meat, they would be so sick and some would even die. The meat they get doesn’t have the added preservatives in it like the meat we consume, that’s why it’s not graded. And by the way, meat is graded, like grade A, grade B, ect. It doesn’t go by numbers like 1A, 2B, 4D. That’s now how meat is graded. You just don’t know anything about meat qualities. So just stop with the lies already. You are just a very vile, evil person. And please stop changing my words around. It’s making you look like the ass you are.
Eric Jackson
July 7, 2018 at 1:48 pm
Slow down, Ruth, and actually read the comments before you spout off. R. Shaw acknowledged the greyhounds are fed 4D meat and claimed it was “scientifically approved.”
I don’t know what the Americans with Disabilities Act or the American Dental Association has to do with greyhounds being fed 4D meat. You said the FDA doesn’t recognize it and I posted a link to an FDA page that not only recognizes “meat from 4D animals” but also states it requires special handling because it poses potential health hazards to people and animals.
4D is a descriptor of the animals that the meat is obtained from, Ruth, not a grade. It is unfit for human consumption so it doesn’t need a grade. Beyond that, it’s adulterated even further to comply with Federal guidelines to keep it out of the human supply chain.
You say that if greyhounds are fed 4D meat they would die. You’re right – greyhounds have died from eating this stuff. In 2014, food contaminated with E. coli was suspected in the deaths of two dogs and the illness of 97 others at Daytona Beach Kennel Club. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/food-poisoning-cited-in-greyhound-deaths-at-daytona-beach-dog-track_20151107091920490
R Shaw
July 7, 2018 at 2:20 pm
Dogs are not humans. Why do you try to equate dog food as not fit for human consumption? I eat snickers bars, am I eating food not fit for dogs? The meats comes from reputable processing plants and is leaner than what humans tend to like and is perfect for greyhounds. The dietary mix is well known for amino acids and the mix with grains, veggies, vitamins is scientifically designed for canines. As far as handling Chipotle sickened 55 humans with ecoli and vegetables that your vegan friends eat tend to have ecoli which has sickened and killed people. Should we ban vegetables? Your tactics are like the red slime ground beef lies that cost the media millions in libel suits. You are a scammer and we can see right through it. Vote No on Amendment 13.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 7, 2018 at 9:42 pm
You say that if greyhounds are fed 4D meat they would die. You’re right – greyhounds have died from eating this stuff. In 2014, food contaminated with E. coli was suspected in the deaths of two dogs and the illness of 97 others at Daytona Beach Kennel Club.
So there you have it Eric. If the greyhounds died and others got sick, why in the world would they feed them meat that isn’t good for them? Simple answer, they don’t. That was just a bad batch of food, no others have gotten a bad batch since. Just like there are recalls in human food. Every once in a while a bad batch of foods gets by and people get sick so they recall it. The meat greyhounds eat is perfectly healthy for them, nothing decayed or diseased in it. So now that we have established that, what else do you want to lie about?
Eric Jackson
July 7, 2018 at 2:47 pm
Still waiting on that scientific proof, R. Shaw.
R Shaw
July 7, 2018 at 3:40 pm
I’m still waiting for you to learn to use google. There’s thousands of studies on greyhound dietary needs.
Eric Jackson
July 7, 2018 at 5:45 pm
You made the claim, R. Shaw, you show the support. Am I to assume from your lack of supporting evidence that there is no such thing as “scientific approval” of feeding greyhounds raw, 4D meat?
Eric Jackson
July 7, 2018 at 10:56 pm
I can’t believe you’re still trying to claim the dogs aren’t fed meat from 4D animals. It’s a fact, Ruth, not an opinion or a belief. It’s well recognized by the industry.
Do you not understand what 4D meat is? It is meat from animals that are:
1. Diseased
2. Dying
3. Down (because of a broken leg, sickness, or refusal to stand)
4. Dead
See? Four “D’s” – hence 4D meat.
Why do they feed the dogs this stuff? Because it’s cheap! It’s the cheapest meat you can get. Like everything else about the care of the dogs, it all comes down to money.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
July 8, 2018 at 11:06 am
Oh Eric, You really are that stupid. A greyhound or any other dog can not eat diseased meat. They would constantly be sick or even die from it. You just can’t comprehend that. The meat is not the cheapest they can get, it is meat that isn’t labeled for humans, that’s all it means. And it’s the SAME meat that goes into commercial dog food, even the high priced dog foods. You just don’t get it and never will. I’m really sorry you’re that stupid. It must be a curse you were born with. I’m done explaining the truth to you. Just stay stupid and brain washed. But I know the truth and so do a lot of other people.
Craig Laginess
July 8, 2018 at 11:08 am
Ruth,
When it comes to Eric and the other Grey2k minions, you can’t fix stupid.
Andy
July 8, 2018 at 1:01 pm
You are a fine one to talk about ‘ enriching yourself’ when that’s all you do. Hmmmm you and fellow thief Stiel pay yourselves over 100k a year yet give less than 1 percent of donations to help any animal anywhere. How much do you donate to ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT?
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