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Almost 90 greyhound adoption groups across the U.S. and Canada — including in Florida — now formally oppose a proposed constitutional amendment aimed at ending commercial dog racing in the state.
Greyhound Adopters for Racing, which also opposes the ban, released the latest list Thursday night through a spokesman.
The newest additions are Erie Shore Greyhound Adoption of Ohio, Greyt Hearts Service Dogs, Greyt Angels Greyhound Adoption, GPA National, Prison Greyhounds, and GPA Ohio.
The rest, according to the group, are:
4 Greyhound Racers
ACT Greyhounds
Adopt A Greyhound Atlanta
Adoptable Greythounds of Florida
Alabama Greyhound Rescue and Adoption Center
Allies for Greyhounds
Arizona Adopt A Greyhound
Awesome Greyhound Adoptions
Bay Area Greyhound Adoptions
Bluegrass Greyhound Adoption
Box to the Wire Greyhound Adoption
California Greyhound Adoption Promotion
Camp Greyhound
Connecticut Greyhound Adoption (GPA)
Crazy for Greyhounds Adoption
Erie Shore Greyhound Adoption of Ohio
Everything Grey Greyhound Haven
Everything Greyt
Fast Friends Greyhound Adoption Sarasota
FastK9’s Greyhound Adoption
Fly Girls United
Forever Home Greyhound Adoptions
Gemini’s Pampered Greyhounds
Gillian’s Greyhound Adoption
God’s Greyts Greyhound Group
Going Home Greyhounds
Gold Coast Greyhound Adoptions
GPA Charleston
GPA Greater Northwest
GPA Massachusetts Adoption Center
GPA National
GPA Ohio
GPA Tampa Bay
GPA Wisconsin
Greyed A Greyhound Assistance and Placement Services
Greyhound Action League of Buffalo
Greyhound Adoption of Ohio
Greyhound Alliance
Greyhound Angels Adoption of New Jersey
Greyhound Crossroads
Greyhound Pet Adoption Florida Southeast
Greyhound Pets of America — Canada
Greyhound Pets of America Indianapolis
Greyhound Pets of America Lexington
Greyhound Pets of Arizona
Greyhound Pets of Atlantic Canada
Greyhound Placement Service of New Hampshire
Greyhound Rescue Foundation of Tennessee
Greyhound Rescue of New York
Greyhound Support Transport
Greyhounds as Pets Northeast Florida
Greyt Angels Greyhound Adoption
Greyt Hearts Service Dogs
Greyt Love Retirement
Greytful Hearts Greyhound Rescue
Greythounds of Eastern Michigan
GST’s Sun State Greyhound Adoption
Halfway Home Greyhound Adoption
Hounds of the Heartland
Iowa Greyhound Park Adoption Center
It’s a Grey Area Greyhound Adoption
James River Greyhounds
Keystone Greyhounds
Mid-South Greyhound Adoption Option
Midwest Greyhound Adoption
Music City Greyhound Adoption
New Mexico Greyhound Connection (GPA)
Northern Greyhound Adoptions
Northern Lights Greyhound Adoption
Northern Sky Greyhound Adoption Association
Northwest Canadian Greyhound League
Paws on the Mountain Greyhound Adoption
Personalized Greyhounds
Prison Greyhounds
PRO Greyhound
Project Racing Home Greyhound Adoptions
Pups Without Partners Greyhound Adoption
Pure Michigan Greyhound Adoption (GPA)
Quad Cities Greyhound Adoption
Racing Home Greyhound Adoption
Rainbow’s End Greyhound Adoption
Running the Rail Greyhound Adoption
Second Chance Greyhounds
Southern California Greyhound Adoption Legion
Star City Greyhound Adoptions
Sunburst Project
The League of Extraordinary Greyhounds
Triangle Greyhound Society
Wheeling Island Greyhound Adoption Center
The Protect Dogs-Yes on 13 campaign has been promoting passage of Amendment 13, put on the November ballot by the Constitution Revision Commission (CRC).
The proposal, which needs at least 60 percent approval to be added to the state constitution, would end betting on dog racing in the state beginning in 2021. In Florida, live dog racing is still conducted at 11 tracks.
182 comments
Jim Blanchard
October 5, 2018 at 6:39 am
To be clear, commissioner Nunez, who is running for Lieutenant Governor, put in a last minute amendment for the gambling special interests, that ALLOWS them to STOP racing January 1, 2019 ! And several will and that will put thousands of dogs at risk and thousands of people possibly unemployed. And then the gambling interests she represented can continue to expand their gambling with no consequences for doing this to the animals and citizens. Actually her amendment PROTECTS them and it will allow them to move their casinos anywhere within the county that the permits are issued! Citizens Investigate Amendment 13 before voting that you think you are helping Greyhounds! You are being duped by animal rights activists and Casinos special interest. Ask yourself, in Nuñez cared about the animals and people inher districts jobs why would she introduce an amendment to throw them on the streets of Miami and around the state less than 60 days after the vote!
Carey Theil
October 5, 2018 at 7:09 am
The notion that this threatens dogs, or allows permit relocation, is absolutely and completely false. Greyhound breeders can’t debate the issue, which is why they are turning to scare tactics like this.
Ron J.
October 5, 2018 at 9:24 am
Carey, why are you afraid to debate this issue? Afraid, or You’re too busy spending time in truck stop restrooms earning extra money? What a piece of trash you are.
Tabbatha Couch
October 5, 2018 at 5:05 pm
Well I believe his middle name used to be Michelle sooo maybe he’s not really a man either.
Andy
October 5, 2018 at 6:04 pm
We know damn well he is a liar though
Shelley Holmes
October 5, 2018 at 9:37 am
Well, it DOES actually say that so I don’t understand how you can claim it’s a scare tactic. It only scares you because you don’t want the truth to get out and damage your agenda. Floridians aren’t as stupid as you’re banking on and I hope they send you a big message Nov. 6.
Renee Leslie
October 5, 2018 at 11:25 am
“Can’t debate the issue”? Mr. Thiel, you are the one unwilling (or perhaps incapable) of debating the issue! You have been asked numerous times to debate in an open forum before the public, and have refused to even acknowledge the invitation.
Steven M Grabarczyk
October 5, 2018 at 11:52 am
Oh stop with your empty debate crap Carey. Either shut up or take one of John Parkers hundreds of invites to you to debate the issue. And don’t give us the he is in GA crap, where the hell do you live, sport? Floridians are tired of your schtick, and you are being exposed with every passing day, and that’s a FACT.
Craig Laginess
October 5, 2018 at 11:56 am
No Carey you’re too much of a COWARD to debate because you know that your lies will be busted wide open and you’ll have to get a “real” job instead of lying to get donations from the ill-informed. You don’t even meet the requirements to be a piss catcher
Phil Fremont
October 5, 2018 at 12:37 pm
Cary Theil and grey2k hsveno credibility and you drag these poor slobs around that buy your bullshit you have met your illogical end your and all of your ilk that in all reality just exist to wreak havoc on people’s lived to tell them how to live you should worry about your own sorrow existence and keeping your house in order you don’t have the good sense to help people in need that you get people all whipped up in to frenzy over lies and selfishness you are a bum and a liar and Florida is not Massachusetts buy a mile this time you WILLt as ke you’re ball and go home to Arlington to the whoopin you and your troops will get from the sensible logical good people of FLORIDA they cannot be conned like the dim bulbs in Massachusetts and I speak of what I intimately know I am regrettably from there this time you close up shop Cary and Christine who and what do you MOONBATS terrorize next after all it is the only reason you baloney asses exist
Linda
October 6, 2018 at 4:36 am
Phil, ever heard of punctuation? I’m sure what you had to say was very interesting, but who has the energy to try to sort it all out? Take a breath and use a few commas or periods, for God’s sake!
Michael
October 6, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Ah Ha Linda I think we found the source of cocaine. Phil Fremont..LMAO
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 2:35 pm
Bet there is lots of cocaine in your sleazy strip club
Andy
October 5, 2018 at 3:05 pm
Everything you say is a lie, EVERYTHING, why don’t you it is a scare tactic that 1. You are parners in this sham of an amendment, HSUS, was fined $15000000 a few years ago for paying a witness to LIE, fits right in with you, LIAR 2. Your wife, Dorchak, is a PROVEN liar, as evidenced by court documents 3. You are aligned with terrorist group ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT< and regularly attend their meetings 4. You admitted to fraudulent and deceitful advertising in Mass.
Your fraud isn't going to work in Florida, pitiful little girly man.
Tara
October 5, 2018 at 6:29 pm
You know all about scare tactics, you little weasel:)
Daniel
October 18, 2018 at 5:22 am
Beautifully said. Unfortunately so many people are so gullible that they’re going to believe this tactic. I even saw a sponsored ad stating Amendment 13 is a trojan horse and our real strategy is to ban fishing. WTF???
Toni Lehmann
October 6, 2018 at 3:02 pm
You can bet many of the rescues that state they are against amendment 13 are privately for 13. They publicly oppose it because the NGA (National Greyhound Association) sent an e-mail to greyhound owners to stop giving retired Greyhounds to any group that supports issue 13.
Don’t believe for a minute that all of the rescues listed actually support this archaic sport. They profess to care about their dogs but will punish rescue groups for supporting an amendment that will end the use of dogs for profit.
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 5:25 pm
I seriously doubt that especially since neutral groups started coming out against the amendment on day one with GPA National. I know of one group that won’t publicly speak out fo or against it because they want to keep racing politics out of their group and I can respect that.
Toni Lehmann
October 6, 2018 at 6:28 pm
I never stated all the rescues listed were for 13, but that some or even many may privately vote for issue 13. But it is a fact that NGA did send the e-mail to stop giving dogs to supporter of 13. That is certainly not in the best interest of the dogs, but a punishment to rescues that are for 13.
LoverofGreyhounds
October 6, 2018 at 7:51 pm
Sorry Toni. My husband & I are owners and members of the NGA. We received no such letter. If you are able to provide a copy we’d appreciate it.
Carl
October 6, 2018 at 9:07 pm
Here at Adopt a Greyhound Atlanta we have not received any emails dictating anything from the NGA or anyone else.
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 7:33 am
Carl it went out to Greyhound owners at the tracks.
Craig Laginess
October 7, 2018 at 7:37 am
Toni, why would an owner want to work with a group trying to put them out of business when the demand exceeds the supply? Economics 101.
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 7:48 am
Carl, I have reached out and am trying to get a copy for you.
LoverofGreyhounds
October 7, 2018 at 8:10 am
Toni, once again, we are owners with greyhounds on a FL track. So did it go to the track owners or greyhound owners?
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 6:56 am
Just goes to show she is simply another lying wingnut
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 7:34 am
Why Andy, because you say it is a lie makes it so?
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 7:48 am
No, because Fred Christine and Carey are PROVEN liars, Carey is proved to be a liar right here on this page. Your partners HSUS were fined $15000000 for paying a witness to lie. That’s all your side does is lie. Why should anything your side says be believed when your president is a PROVEN LIAR?
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 7:49 am
How about something your fraudulent side never shows…… PROOF. Just like you scream abuse yet we have never seen one police report.
Toni
October 15, 2018 at 10:28 am
LoverofGreyhounds, I found the post. It was not a copy of a letter, but a statement from MotorCity Greyhound Rescue, dated June 1. It states the NGA instructed all tracks to refuse AR groups any Greyhounds. I could not figure out how to post it here so you will have to look it up. I do want to ask about some conflicting statements by other people. Some owners/trainers state if racing ends thousands of dogs would have nowhere to go because their aren’t enough rescues. Simple solution would be to give them to the rescues that have been band. Yet others have said 95% of greyhounds do go into rescues and yet there are people waiting for one. So if so many people are waiting and there are many, many rescues willing to take them, then I would guess the statement that thousands of Greyhounds would die is not a factual statement. Does it really matter if a group is PR or AR so long as the DOGS find forever homes? I would say it speaks volumes about many owners when it is more important to punish rescues then to place their dogs. I do apologize for thinking I had seen a post of written information from NGA. I do try to always be honest. On a side note: As it turns out, MotorCity has been taking in dogs rescued from the China Meat industry and Galgos from Spain. I commend them for their continued efforts to help all these wonderful sighthounds.
Craig Laginess
October 15, 2018 at 10:43 am
It does matter. Once again when the demand is greater than the supply why would owners and operators want to work with someone who is trying put them out of business with lies, manipulation and theft? If 13 passes you will not see an NGA greyhound in a shelter or AR group, unless it’s one that the adopting family is dropping off, in which they are violating their adoption contract that they signed. #votenoon13
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 8:20 pm
Yet another lie
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 8:05 am
First of all Andy, I do not know the people you are slamming. Second, when I post about the condition of the dogs I adopted, you say I am lying. I only know what have have seen and experienced over the past 20 years. I am not a humaniac and in fact stay away from groups that have no middle ground. I try to avoid personal name calling, but it appears it is all you do to anyone that does not share your point of view or beliefs. There may be some very good owners/trainers/breeders in the racing world and if those people had stepped up years ago and reported the bad O/T/B maybe, just maybe there would be no issue 13 on the ballot. Just my opinion.
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 8:12 am
You don’t know liar thiel christine or fred, yet you have grey2k propaganda on your fb, right
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 8:22 am
Andy, I support a lot of causes, but it doesn’t mean I agree with everything they are for or against. I am against dog racing based on what I have witnessed over the past 20 years.
Toni
October 15, 2018 at 11:10 am
Craig, I understand if the demand is greater then the inventory you would only use PR groups, but some owners are stating if 13 passes thousands of Greyhounds would have nowhere to go. If true, would they then use AR rescues or just have them euthanized? It is simple question. They would either stop punishing AR groups or kill the surplus, right?
Cathryn
October 15, 2018 at 11:20 am
The reason why they should deal with “the people who want to put them out of business”… BECAUSE IT’S ABOUT DOGS NOT MONEY. Anyone who really cares about these dogs will be there to find homes no matter what. We (AR groups) have been cleaning up the industry discards for years and we will keep doing it.
Craig Laginess
October 15, 2018 at 11:21 am
The surplus wouldn’t be killed. They would be taken care of, it’s just the CRC was admittedly irresponsible when they drew up the proposed amendment because they wanted a “feelgood” item, which was actually decoupling in disguise.
Patricia Blake
October 15, 2018 at 11:23 am
This article is totally fabricated! Pro racing advocates pulling a fast one. There are many rescue groups for this amendment!
Craig Laginess
October 15, 2018 at 11:27 am
90 against the amendment, including 16 from Florida vs. 5 for the amendment, including 3 from Florida. Looks like you need glasses.
Toni
October 15, 2018 at 1:32 pm
Patricia Blake, I know many groups are for amendment 13, as am I. I believe many owners/trainers look at their Greyhounds as a tool for them to make money. If 13 passes it really won’t matter if there are rescues or not. They will no longer have to answer to anyone. And what will happen to the thousands of puppies and dogs at the farms?
Carl Viener
October 5, 2018 at 7:21 am
The pro racing Greyhound community absolutely CAN debate against all the lies presented by you,Carey Theil. In fact, you have been challenged dozens of times to an open and public debate that you have never accepted. If all of you anti racing folk have nothing to hide,then why not accept the challenge?
Patti Kacer
October 5, 2018 at 8:03 am
Thank you to all these Adoption Groups from around the country. As an adopter since the early ‘90’s and an owner and Florida resident for the last 5 years, I am asking all Florida residents to #VoteNoOn13.
Jim Blanchard
October 5, 2018 at 8:18 am
Actually Carey you are gettin caught in another lie . Will Nuñez amendment allow that or not? I asked the citizens to investigate . Citizens take 2 minutes and check chapter 550 of pari mutuels and look at rule 550-0555 and see for yourself that they CAN and WILL move their permits! Maybe next to your neighborhood! This is what part of this is all about! Carey is or was on the board of directors of Stop Predatory gambling but is supporting their expansion if amendment 13 passes. And he refuse to debate!
Steven M Grabarczyk
October 5, 2018 at 12:21 pm
Carey doesn’t know how to read the FLORIDA Statutes because he has NO BUSINESS INTERESTS here, pays NO taxes here, and has contributed NOTHING to Florida.
WHAT????? “It is the finding of the Legislature that pari-mutuel wagering on greyhound dogracing provides substantial revenues to the state.”
The 2018 Florida Statutes
Title XXXIII
REGULATION OF TRADE, COMMERCE, INVESTMENTS, AND SOLICITATIONS
Chapter 550
PARI-MUTUEL WAGERING
View Entire Chapter
550.0555 Greyhound dogracing permits; relocation within a county; conditions.—
(1) It is the finding of the Legislature that pari-mutuel wagering on greyhound dogracing provides substantial revenues to the state. It is the further finding that, in some cases, this revenue-producing ability is hindered due to the lack of provisions allowing the relocation of existing dogracing operations. It is therefore declared that state revenues derived from greyhound dogracing will continue to be jeopardized if provisions allowing the relocation of such greyhound racing permits are not implemented. This enactment is made pursuant to, and for the purpose of, implementing such provisions.
Joyce Carta
October 5, 2018 at 8:24 am
Of course pro-racing adoption groups, who are allied with the racing industry, do not care to see their adoptable dog pipeline cut off. Those of us non-racing allied are delighted that Amendment 13 puts the welfare of all greyhounds FIRST…and the fact that we may be put out of business…this thrills us to no end. COUCHES not CAGES. YES on 13. Greyhound Adoptions of Florida, proudly anti-racing since 1995.
Steven M Grabarczyk
October 5, 2018 at 12:07 pm
REALLY? This wouldn’t be complete with out Joyce once again interjecting her “wisdom” into the conversation. Yea ALL those adoption agencies are making TONS of $$$ which is why they don’t want racing to end, LOL. What do they care? Whats the difference between THEM and the activists backing YOU??? You got it Joyce $$$$$$. Grey2k’s Carey & Christine LIVE off donor $$$, HSUS execs LIVE off of donor $$$$. No conflict or lies = no $$$$. Please get a clue
Toni Lehmann
October 6, 2018 at 6:40 pm
Thank you Joyce Carta. I agree with you 100%. I know of a rescue in Ohio that would be bankrupt if dog racing ended. It is her income. Once she can collect social security in a couple of years she plans on shutting the rescue down. It is amazing how clueless supporters of dog racing are.
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 8:04 pm
Such a liar, just like your heroes Christine, Carey, and HSUS. Are you a mule abuser like Joyce? Of fat Sonia, who is against racing but fine with polo? Hypocrites the lot of you.
Steve
October 5, 2018 at 8:45 am
SPEAKING OF DEBATES CAREY THIEL, WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING A PUBLIC ONE WITH JOHN PARKER??????
Carl Viener
October 5, 2018 at 8:55 am
Please,Joyce Carta,Tell me why you think we want to continue to receive Greyhounds. Could it be because we love to have Greyhounds in our lives? That is our only motive. If you would view Greyhounds from the Greyhounds’ perspective and acknowledge the truth,that they are well taken care of by the vast majority of the racing industry,and are happy there,you would have a different point of view. No on 13. Adopt a Greyhound Atlanta,since 1981.
Carl Viener
October 5, 2018 at 9:19 am
By the way,Joyce Carta, am I correct that the anti racing contingent has 5 or 6 adoption groups supporting their rhetoric, versus 89 adoption groups supporting pro Greyhound racing. Who knows the truth more accurately,Greyhound adoption groups ,or assorted individuals that “heard somewhere” racing was evil? I am incensed that you would imply that the vast majority of Greyhound adoption groups have some nefarious motives.
Yes On 13
October 5, 2018 at 9:49 am
To all adoption groups, pro, neutral, and anti-racing, thank you for saving and rescuing greyhounds.
Your existence is not an accident. You are the byproduct of an industry which didn’t give any consideration to the lives of their “product” once they were done with them. At the industry’s height, tens of thousands of dogs were disappearing after their last race was run. Good hearted people like you and your predecessors, decided that this horror should not be allowed to continue.
Let there be no doubt… The decision to start adoption was a moral judgment against the industry. Somehow, these rescue groups have forgotten this.
Craig Laginess
October 5, 2018 at 10:02 am
The industry has changed for the better over the past 30+ years and is still striving to increase safety and injury reporting standards, but anti-racing groups like Grey2k and HSUS fight them. 89 adoption groups can’t be wrong. #votenoon13 #grey2klies
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 9:48 am
Craig Laginess, You speak of 89 groups pro racing. I am wondering, do you know how many Greyhound groups there are across the country? I don’t, but thought maybe you might have that info.
Craig Laginess
October 7, 2018 at 9:54 am
I don’t know how many there are nationally, I do know that 2 groups on the list from Michigan and that all of GPA groups are neutral.
Patti Kacer
October 5, 2018 at 10:05 am
Again Yes, you are incorrect. Greyhound adoption was actually started BY kennels, trainers and owners. And what exactly is anyone “rescuing” a greyhound from? A life of love, care and fulfillment?
PS No need to respond. I am already well aware of the lies & misinformation you’ve been programmed to regurgitate.
Shelley Holmes
October 5, 2018 at 10:41 am
Patti’s absolutely correct. Greyhound adoption was established BY the racing industry out of LOVE for the dogs. It’s appalling that anyone would try to turn that into a negative thing.
Toni Lehmann
October 6, 2018 at 7:19 pm
Thank you, Yes on 13. Bravo. They need to believe that owners have somehow started caring. Many of the Greyhounds that come to the rescue I adopt from are not healthy at all. Worms, ticks, rotted teeth, broken bones. Apparently those 90 rescue groups only get the best dogs and never have seen what I have.
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 8:01 pm
What rescue is this, offer specifics, no doubt you’re just another lying troll.
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 8:27 am
LoverofGreyhounds. I am not sure if it went to track owners or Racing Greyhound owners or both. I am trying to get the info for you.
LoverofGreyhounds
October 7, 2018 at 8:38 am
Thank you. Because I am an adopter, an owner, and on the BOD of our local FL adoption group and have never seem any such communication from the NGA. What I can tell you is from a personal standpoint not 1 of my active racers, nor my puppies on a finishing farm in KS, will ever go to an anti Racing adoption group or shelter. It may mean that we’ll have 14 greyhounds living with us but that’s OK.
VOTE NO ON 13
LoverofGreyhounds
October 7, 2018 at 8:11 pm
So Toni, unable to get a. Opt of the email/ letter yet? Possibly because it doesn’t exist?
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 8:31 am
Andy, I will NOT post the name of the rescue I adopted from. But I will say the person running it now is pro racing and is the reason I will not adopt from them in the future. The person that started the rescue in the early 90’s was very much against racing.
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 9:30 am
If it exists at least they saw the light, give us police reports of this non-existent abuse
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 8:09 pm
Gotcha now, you have grey2k propaganda on your facebook, the sister organization of terrorist org Animal Liberation Front, another fraud koolaid drinker, you’re a liar
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 8:35 am
Andy, please grow up. Gotcha? really? Just because they are on my Facebook doesn’t mean I donate or support all their causes or affiliations. Are you a Snowflake or millennial? Just curious.
Craig Laginess
October 7, 2018 at 8:40 am
Toni a snowflake or millennial would be fighting for 13 and then go crying to their “safe place” demanding a participation trophy by Andy’s comments.
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 9:31 am
One thing I’m not is a liar, like your heroes
Fred Barton
October 5, 2018 at 10:44 am
Kudos to those volunteers who work tirelessly to see that greyhounds who have been discarded by the industry for being unprofitable find loving forever homes. I wonder what those groups who have sided with the industry think about those dogs who don’t make it off the track and how they feel about the fact that the continuation of racing, while it may provide more dogs for them, will also result in the unnecessary pain, suffering and death of many other innocent greyhounds.
Craig Laginess
October 5, 2018 at 10:58 am
Fred, once again you’re wrong. While you have a vocabulary that is expansive people still see through your bullshit. Deaths and injuries are down on top of the FACT that a kid playing little league baseball has a higher probability of getting injured than a greyhound racing. 89 adoption groups against amendment 13 can’t be wrong.
Fred Barton
October 6, 2018 at 7:24 am
So you’re saying that it’s OK because fewer dogs are being injured and killed for profit now than in the past? Is that the argument you want to make?
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 8:16 am
Just as many people are being deceived and scammed by grey2k as in the past, right Fred? And drop the ‘ killed ” lie, we have already proven you lie about dog deaths, even your cocaine sham has been exposed. See how your buddy flat out lied up there? Lie. lie, and lie again. The fact you crooks will not have a live debate is further proof of your fraud, can’t wait ubtil the vote sends you crooks packing.
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 12:39 pm
Fred the argument will go this way. You’ll spread the lies, I’ll bust the lies, you’ll then accuse me of trying to change the subject, then I’ll call you out on your bullshit. Facts are a dog has less than one thousandth of a percent chance of dying in a race and less than one hundredth of a percent of chance missing their next race. As a fan of greyhound racing, I have no issues with those odds. I hope that your Spartans lose to Northwestern today. Oops, I changed the subject.
#votenoon13
Cathryn
October 6, 2018 at 1:52 pm
If you want to present facts, here are some state of Florida records that provide much different data. Please note, this is the greyhound death report for the state of Florida over a three week period.
5/9/18 Backstreet Betty
5/12/18 Tahas Wrangler
5/13/18 XT’s Death Trap
5/15/18 Del Sol Bilbao
5/15/18 Ka Ktiss
5/18/18 Love Sick
5/20/18 WW Teresa
Did you bet on any of them? They lost their life for your $2 bet
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 2:07 pm
Fred doesn’t care for any sport, one reason why he has never been in shape, that and being in shape is work, unlike scamming people
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 5:27 pm
Fred already tried that lie, those dogs did not die as a result if racing Cathryn, or whatever your name is. You’re just another liar, after all, you’re the one on the side of rackateers and terrorists
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 5:31 pm
Kathryn, I did not bet during the three week period that you gave an example of because it is illegal to bet on them in Michigan thanks to the horse racing industry, but I did watch a few races online. Of those deaths that you mentioned, how many were actually race related since all deaths are being reported? I’ll be the first to admit that death sucks, but when it’s their time it’s their time. I heard of a three year-old litter mate of our oops puppy dying due to a bacterial infection from drinking pond water.
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 5:34 pm
Andy you’re probably right, but remember round is a shape. I know because I’m a fat guy,
Fred Barton
October 7, 2018 at 7:41 am
Actually the argument goes this way: We expose the suffering of greyhounds trapped in racing gulags, you change the subject. Sometimes you’re content with trying to kill the messenger, but mostly it’s deny, dissemble, deflect.
Craig Laginess
October 7, 2018 at 7:49 am
Well Fred if you’re so confident then why don’t you fly down to Florida and debate John Parker? I’ll even pay for your airfare round trip from Lansing, Michigan. After all your other Grey2k cronies refuse to debate him.
Toni Lehmann
October 6, 2018 at 7:23 pm
You are seriously going to compare a child playing baseball to Greyhound racing? SMH! So for the sake of racing it is acceptable that some dogs die or are seriously injured? WOW, just WOW.
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 7:46 pm
Tonight, which liars are you paid by? The lies are being busted everytime. I wish Mythbusters was still around to expose the lies if the anti-racing movement. I’m comparing the chances of injury to sports because greyhounds are are athletes and the anti-racing people bring it up all the time. If 13 passes have fun footing a $500 million dollar bill for reparations and legal fees. Another question why won’t the yes on 13 debate the no on 13 people? Because their lies would be exposed. #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies
Steven M Grabarczyk
October 5, 2018 at 11:57 am
Your volunteers that are stumping for a yes vote don’t even know what a greyhound looks like. What does that tell you about these charlatans. http://supportgreyhounds.org/nag.jpg LOL
Proud Racer
October 5, 2018 at 11:58 am
Mr. Barton, as a representative of Grey2K, please provide your answer to this question. If Amendment 13 passes, will Grey2K, the HSUS and other proponents of the racing ban contribute $1 million or more to a national fund administered by racing professionals to transport, house, feed and provide 24/7 care to any greyhounds displaced by this action? In other words, will they actually help re-home the dogs, or will they simply wash their hands of the “problem” and walk away cheering their victory, like Grey2K did in Massachusetts?
Keep in mind, the assertion that hundreds of “shelters” are standing ready is NOT an option for racing owners, as greyhounds require a standard of care and adoption screening which shelters are ill-equipped to provide.
Fred Barton
October 6, 2018 at 7:27 am
I’m sorry, but I must have missed the meeting where we agreed to be totally responsible for everything. If Amendment 13 passes many people and groups will have to work together to assure the safe exit of the dogs and people–including you.
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 8:17 am
And grey2k won’t be a damn one of them, just like in Massachusetts, but it’s not going to happen here
LoverOfGreyhounds
October 6, 2018 at 9:17 am
So let me be sure I understand Fred.
Your organization & other animal extremists groups come into our state, try for years to pass, but fail, to end greyhound racing. You then pay off enough people to work on the CRC and get the Amendment on the ballot. All the while these same organizations rake in $$millions with lies & misinformation.
And, on the off chance it’s a go you walk away, not providing a penny to the very dogs you proport to care about, the 1000’s of FL residents (generations of families) who will be out of work, the businesses negatively impacted, state revenue & taxes impacted, even the education system.
So where will all those donation dollars go? Will they go to the people and groups who will “work together to assure the safe exit of the dogs”? If history repeats itself the answer to that question has already been answered.
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 10:00 am
That is EXACTLY what will happen, they won’t give one dollar to help, they say they will but everything that comes out of their mouth is a lie
Fred Barton
October 7, 2018 at 7:37 am
Like I said, I wasn’t at the meeting where we agreed to do everything. In Iowa, the state and the casinos stepped in to organize the closing out of racing with input from the industry and ant-racing groups. I don’t see why that couldn’t happen in Florida.
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 8:02 am
Racing still at IGP proven liar fred, the fact is grey2k spends not one dime to clean up the mess they make, lying fraudsters. NRA going to be your defeat in florida
Proud Racer
October 8, 2018 at 4:09 pm
Mr. Barton – I never implied you agreed to be totally responsible for everything. Just asked if Grey2K would contribute to a fund – administered by racing professionals, as they are best suited for the task – to help in the transition, should it be needed. It’s extremely telling that Grey2K and the HSUS drafted the language of Amendment 13 yet, as self-proclaimed “protectors”, FAILED TO INCLUDE ANY PROVISION OR PLAN for the greyhounds themselves. They could have included a directive, such as mandating tracks to continue to furnish housing, food, medical care and kennel staff for a set period of time until all greyhounds not transferred to other tracks are adopted. So it’s not unreasonable to ask those responsible for the cataclysm that is sure to ensue to help pay for the destruction left in their wake.
Fred Barton
October 8, 2018 at 5:24 pm
We have no authority to tell tracks what to do, that’s up to the regulating bodies. I know that when Wisconsin ended racing we worked with adoption groups and the state to move greyhounds to safety, but that was only because the state mandated that the tracks maintain the dogs (with the help of the adoption groups) until they could be responsibly removed. I would hope the regulating bodies in Florida would take a similar path.
Craig Laginess
October 8, 2018 at 5:36 pm
Grey2k did NOTHING in Wisconsin and is now taking credit fo helping with placement! The crap keeps getting deeper and deeper. I personally know that most of the dogs went to neutral or pro groups WITHOUT any assistance from Grey2k.
Andy
October 9, 2018 at 3:49 pm
Here is Proven Liar Fred lying again about helping place greyhounds in Wisconsin, just like they lie about helping place them in Massachusetts, Just like they lie about giving donations to help adoption groups. Paint the Trail on facebook has put up their tax returns, everyone go look, it is EXACTLY as we say, keep the majority for themselves, miniscule amount for any greyhound.
Toni Lehmann
October 6, 2018 at 7:00 pm
That is laughable. Standard of care? Really? It took a full year to rid my two greyhounds of their worm infestation. One arrived with an untreated spine injury. Both had rotted teeth. Stop with the theatrics. The dog I have now was born on a farm that had over a thousand dogs. Nothing more then a Greyhound puppy mill.
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 7:58 pm
What farm, where? You liars never offer specifics, just claims, exactly as liars do.
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 8:00 pm
And yet Toni accused us of regurgitating everything… she’s nothing but an anti-racing mouthpiece.
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 7:39 am
Andy, The farm is now closed thank God and was owned by the Smiths. Pretty easy to find the truth if you look for it. The photos taken by the county show row after row of wooden raised dog houses. But so guess in your world it is acceptable.
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 8:05 am
Ah, the farm is closed ran by the ‘ Smiths” , that’s hilarious. Such a liar you are
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 8:07 am
Here is how you find the truth, google ” Christine Dorchak ALF”, ” grey2k blackmail” there is your truth
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 8:31 pm
” Stop with the theatrics”, says the liar on the side with rackateers and terrorists, I can prove rackateering, blackmail, and in bed with terrorists, and with fred Carey and dorkchak being liars, prove what you say liar, show police reports of all this ” abuse” that doesn’t exist.
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 8:35 pm
Andy, you forgot Eric, he’s probably tied up with a red ball and harness with Christine. He’s been awfully quiet since I called him a horses ass.
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 7:42 am
Andy, I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess you are a left wing Democrat. I recognize it by your name calling. Zero class behavior.
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 8:09 am
Afraid not TRUMP2020, my name calling huh, when you slander honest hard working people for donations
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 7:33 pm
I’m sorry Andy and here I thought you and your people know everything “Greyhound Racing”. Smith Greyhounds, Frederick Oklahoma. Kennel name Kiowa. Ring a bell? She had brought so many dogs and puppies to the auctions over the years that they credited her with making it the success it is. I wonder how many supporters realize how many Greyhounds get auctioned off to the highest bidder. It’s all about the money. So NO I’m not a liar.
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 7:44 pm
Andy, I’m not sure who you are referring to, because I do not collect donations for anyone, nor do I slander anyone’s name for donations. I do not assume everything I read is the truth either. At least we have one thing in common, TRUMP 2020. Name calling really isn’t necessary.
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 7:59 am
I found them, pro racing, so what you lie about is the condition of greyhounds received, show evidence. If you cannot, or evidence of that email, then yes, you are a liar.
How many animals has Euclid animal shelter killed this year?
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 8:44 am
Horses get auctioned off too at Keeneland, so it’s a business, just like chicken farms, fish farms, hog farms, cattle ranching. It’s called capitalism
Andy
October 5, 2018 at 3:08 pm
Wrong Fred, but the continuation of grey2k will result in more blackmail, rackateering, and teamwork with terrorist ALF
Andy
October 5, 2018 at 5:54 pm
There you go Fred, now Carey Stiel is a proven liar too, as if that’s any surprise. You people lie every time you open your disgusting mouths
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 9:12 am
Notice Fred never comments when yet another lie is exposed
Renee Leslie
October 5, 2018 at 11:31 am
And it’s not just the 89 groups, but the hundreds of individuals volunteering with those groups and the thousands of individual adopters who adopted from those 89 groups! We are not wrong! Vote NO on 13!
Vera Rasnake
October 5, 2018 at 12:20 pm
Nearly 90 greyhound adoption groups support No on 13. That speaks volumes along with other organizations that are speaking out against 13. Mr. Theil always talks debate, but yet will not do an educational public debate with adoption advocate John Parker. Why? What may have started decades ago as the term greyhound rescue has evolved into greyhound adoption. Why? People have found very few greyhounds need “rescued” in Greyhound racing today. Adoption is the industry option. The exaggerated lies that Florida Greyhound racing has endured as a whole from isolated incidents being touted as an industry “norm” is finally being exposed. Theil’s group has tried to do all they can to keep Florida voters away from the truth. Greyhound trainers have opened their doors to the voters. People are seeing with their own eyes. Although every effort is being made by anti racing extremists to keep the public away Palm Beach Greyhound Racetrack, along with Jeff Sonksen, who sought the truth himself with his Paint The Trail productions, are among many providing live feeds and videos to help educate the public. Amendment 13 does not belong on the constitution and if passed it will put thousands of Floridians out of work, displace thousands of greyhounds that are being cared for and force several small businesses to close. Voters will be cleaning up the mess this will cause. And “yes” greyhounds will still be wagered on at Florida tracks! That’s right- just no greyhound in FL will be allowed to compete, which could force thousands of greyhounds into overpopulated shelters. Does this really make logical sense? And does asking floridians to vote to end FL jobs and allow other states to gain from our loss by providing their out -of-state greyhounds for wagering via simulcast in FL good for the voters? Really?Florida Greyhound racing is a win-win. The dogs are bred for the sport and love to race and are well-cared for while doing so. They are great companions in retirement due to their racing cycles from birth, to racing, to adoption. They provide state revenue as well as local charity monies to many communities. If 13 passes Christine Dorchak and Carey Theil will go back to their home state of MA . There they can continue to line their out-of-state pockets through their Grey2k organization while tax paying Floridians bear the burden of the unconstitutional amendment. I encourage the voters to get out and visit a track and talk to trainers. See for yourself. Meanwhile Palm Beach Greyhound and the Greyhound Chronicles on Facebook are among those providing real-time kennel and track information. Greyhound Adoption groups that know the breed along with other organizations know that 13 is unlucky and a bad bet for Floridians. FL taxpayers like myself, business owners and neighbors know it too. Vote No on 13.
Cathryn
October 5, 2018 at 12:42 pm
WHY AREN’T THERE MORE FLORIDA GROUPS ON THE LIST? Over 85% of the adoption/transport groups are not in the state of Florida, some are even out of the country. I GUARANTEE you that those out of state groups have never pulled a dog with its leg shaved and prepped for euthanasia off of Dr. Miller’s table. They have never pulled a dog from the blood bank on Forest Hill Blvd. The groups who have publicly announced that they are anti-racing have been told they will no longer receive dogs to place for adoption. That’s why there is no support from Florida RESCUE groups!
Cathryn
October 5, 2018 at 1:20 pm
Thank you for the clarification. My point is the large majority of those groups are out of the state and have limited or no experience with the Florida racing industry.
Craig Laginess
October 5, 2018 at 1:29 pm
Same goes for Grey2k and HSUS and they are the ones spreading the lies. You would be surprised at how much the out of state people know about the Florida greyhound racing industry.
Cathryn
October 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised by what the out of state people think they know. They know what they are told when a hauler shows up to their facility or when a Florida based volunteer drives a van of greyhounds to them and spends the entire 18 hour drive pulling thousands of ticks of the dogs.
Craig Laginess
October 5, 2018 at 1:52 pm
And there are many that go and visit the kennels and farms themselves. When was the last time a member of Grey2k and HSUS went to a track, kennel or farm? My money is on they have never been to one.
Cathryn
October 5, 2018 at 1:57 pm
In my experience kennels and farms are much different from the active racing compound, Ginny pit, vet tables and blood banks. If you want to discredit the HSUS and Grey2K for being out of state then it is only logical to discredit other out of state references.
Craig Laginess
October 5, 2018 at 2:03 pm
Then why is Grey2k and HSUS trying to mettle in Florida politics with lies, theft and manipulation of data? Why is there 16 groups in Florida alone against 13 and 5 nationwide for it? Then why isn’t there a provision of funds for the displaced dogs if 13 passes?
Craig Laginess
October 5, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Cathryn, you’ve gotten awfully quiet since I’ve countered your questions about Grey2k and HSUS. So which one is paying you or are you Carey?
Cathryn
October 5, 2018 at 8:24 pm
Well Craig…I have been quiet because I have a job where I do the work not one that relies on exploiting animals. I was ignoring your comment because not only do you clearly have poor grammar skills but also do not grasp simple math, 16+5=21 yet your list has 89 groups. Additionally, both HSUS and Grey2K are nationwide groups covering animal advocacy across the country including the state of Florida. I am not affiliated with either so I can’t comment on their involvement.
Craig Laginess
October 5, 2018 at 8:37 pm
First of all I have a job where I translate numbers into English for a cereal manufacturer. Second, it was 16 Florida groups vs. 5 nationwide. I love to watch the dogs run and bet on them, I have been to facilities, even though I live in Michigan. What is your stance on horse racing? What is your stance on farming? Hens are sold for meat when they stop producing eggs, same with dairy cows when they stop producing milk. I fight this fight because of the lies being told by Grey2k and HSUS, who only care about the almighty dollar.
Cathryn
October 5, 2018 at 8:48 pm
I am against horse racing and if I have the opportunity to vote on it I would vote to end it. It is unfortunate that you are in this fight because of HSUS and Grey2K. I am in this fight for the dogs that I have personally seen suffer as a result of the racing industry.
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 12:32 pm
Kathryn at least you’re consistent. I fight this not only because of the Grey2k and HSUS lies. I’ve had the privilege to adopt 7 greyhounds over the last 16 years, 2 were oops litter puppies and foster several others. My wife and I want to keep adopting and fostering until we’re 6 feet under. Also, I fight for the 13k people who will lose their jobs, the fact that there are ZERO funds allocated to help the displaced dogs. Finally I fight for the Florida taxpayers who will have to pay a $250 – $500 million dollar bill for reparations and legal fees while only the 5 companies that lose money on racing operations benefit. #votenoon13
Cathryn
October 6, 2018 at 1:43 pm
To be honest Craig, I don’t care about those people who will lose their jobs. Perhaps they can get jobs at a shelter and help adopt dogs. Why does the racing industry keep asking what everyone else is going to do with the displaced dogs? If the 89 adoption groups that are against this proposal take in 45 dogs each, they can solve the problem. There are also all the other anti-racing groups that will still be around to clean up the industry discards like we have been doing for years. I know I will continue to help find homes regardless of the result in November.
Toni Lehmann
October 6, 2018 at 7:40 pm
I agree with everything you have said Cathryn. All they can do is repeat the same things over and over again. They are so far off the rails that it defies comprehension.
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 7:52 pm
Then maybe you’ll debate the no on 13 campaign. Since no one else has the guts to. By the way I’m in Michigan I’ve been to tracks and kennels in 3 states. I was once anti-racing 17 years ago, I saw the truth in 2003 and changed my opinion. #votenoon13
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 7:43 am
John Parker, he posts on this and many pages challenging the liars to debate.
Christine Dorchak, president of grey2k, proven liar concerning her ” accident”
Barton, secretary of grey2k, proven liar concerning dog deaths in MAy being race related
Carey Thiel, 2nd in command at grey2k, proven liar right here on this page
HSUS, fined $15000000 for paying a witness to LIE
All your side does is lie
Craig Laginess
October 6, 2018 at 8:19 pm
Toni then why don’t you debate John Parker???? Andy got it right you’re nothing but a Grey2k koolaid drinker.
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 8:01 pm
Craig, Who the hell is John Parker? Actually who are all these people you and Andy keep referring to and call liars? I am against racing based on my own experiences, period.
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 8:16 am
Like the man says, debate John Parker, since none of you will is more proof of being lying cowards
Barbara Masi
October 5, 2018 at 2:05 pm
Having been involved for 18 years and SEEN what goes on behind the scenes – I can say we were one of the first groups that came aboard promoting the continuing of Greyhound racing. No abuse – no drugging – excellent food – excellent medical care. Have had many greys come through the organizations that I have worked with and every dog’s life has been worth the re-homing efforts. Volunteering and taking care of these pups has been a joy – working with the owners / trainers / handlers has been a pleasure. Many who speak do not know what goes on as they have “heard” or “read” something from another who is spewing lies about the industry. Have I ever pulled a tick or removed a flea from a dog? Sure – it happens with dogs at home also. Have I ever helped with a broken leg dog? Sure – as has one of mine broken a leg and another a toe running in the backyard. Those who know what they are talking about – those who speak the truth will recommend you VOTE NO ON AMENDMENT 13!
EXPOSING THE TRUTH
October 5, 2018 at 2:07 pm
Here’s an interesting FB post exposing the groups who are trying to eliminate racing. Instead of providing an answer they delete the public’s question.
Scary that they are trying to control people’s thinking and brainwash people by hiding the truth. Terrorist tactics and propaganda at it’s best.
DON’T BELIEVE ME POST ON THEIR PAGE FOR YOURSELF WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT’S IN PLACE FOR THE DOGS AND THE RISE IN UNEMPLOYMENT AND YOUR TAXES
https://www.facebook.com/groups/supportgreyhounds/permalink/474512776290477/
EXPOSING THE TRUTH
October 5, 2018 at 2:08 pm
VOTE NO ON AMENDMENT 13
Dick Ciampa
October 5, 2018 at 3:42 pm
Carey,
Once again you caught in a lie. That isn’t a surprise, what would be a surprise is if you got caught in a TRUTH.
You know the tracks can close on Dec. 31, 2018 There is no phase out period that is mandated. Your lawyer wife helped write the question so she and you know exactly what the question says.
So what is the plan of the yes committee, G2k and the HSUS if the vote passes and most or all the tracks close 7 weeks later on Dec. 31, 2018? Remember, you are the great protector of the greyhounds. I’m sure your plan can’t be to leave the greyhounds in the hands of the people you claim abuse them, is it?
Why don’t you implement the plan you had for moving all 8,000 greyhounds out of Florida when Hurricane Irma was coming? The place you had planned to move the dogs to then should be able to handle this.
You had no plan for Irma, you have no plan for after the vote if you win, you have no plan for the greyhounds except leave the state and others will clean up your mess.
G2K did it in Wisconsin, G2K did it in AZ, G2K did it in Massachusetts except in Massachusetts you went one despicable step further and raised money to help the dogs on Saturday . You knew the last dog was moved from Raynham on the Thursday before your little fundraiser on Saturday, but that’s what scammers do.
The self-proclaimed great protectors of greyhounds will do nothing to protect the greyhounds. They never have and they never will.
Don’t be scammed.
Vote NO on Question 13
Michael
October 6, 2018 at 6:57 pm
Same cast of characters..Blah Blah Blah. All running in circles like the dogs. Same old BS being slung around. You people must have some boring life if this is your biggest part of your day or week. Get a life people. The dogs are going to stop racing so just get it in your heads. The wheels have been put into motion and it is said and done. You cant stop the machine.
Andy
October 6, 2018 at 7:55 pm
Well, since you’re so ignorant you can’t tell us the date the legislature put 3 on the ballot, no one needs to put much stock into what you say
Fred Barton
October 7, 2018 at 8:24 am
Actually, I did try to engage John a couple of times around the issue of cruelty, but he wasn’t interested in a serious discussion.
Craig Laginess
October 7, 2018 at 8:36 am
I am sure that serious to you is bullshit to him. Being that you’re the secretary of Grey2k and Justin Bieber fan club, maybe you should challenge him to a debate. Being that your leaders won’t.
Fred Barton
October 7, 2018 at 9:13 am
The issue he refused to address was the definition of cruelty. I think that’s pretty serious.
Andy
October 7, 2018 at 8:40 am
You have an offer on this page for airfare to Florida to debate John, so stop with lies and excuses and accept the offer, which you won’t do because you’re a lying coward
Fred Barton
October 7, 2018 at 8:26 am
Racing at IGP was the industry’s decision and it’s run completely on their dime, except for the sweetheart deal they got on the land.
Toni
October 7, 2018 at 9:01 pm
LoverofGreyhounds, still looking, as are a couple of other people. I have to go back several months of posts. I don’t know of any other way to find it. I will continue my search tomorrow. I had a busy day and did not start looking until this evening. If I find it and it was not directly from NGA I will absolutely tell you. If I find it I will try to take a screenshot.
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 7:44 am
It can’t be found because it doesn’t exist
Toni
October 8, 2018 at 12:47 pm
Andy, I am retired. When I ran the shelter our euthanasia rate was 25%, but we were not creating the situation. They were owner discarded pets. Kind of a ridiculous comparison. Yes, other animals are auctioned off, my point exactly. It is a business to make money at the exspense of the Greyhounds. It doesn’t matter who buys them, it only matters who is willing to pay the most.
As far as Kay Smith, you can google her. She was inducted into the racing hall of fame. That you should have known since it was some sort of big deal to the racing world. If you need the address of where the kennel was I can give you that so you can find the county photo of the farm. Always asking for proof because everyone is lying without it. I have a video of how my dog walked when we first got her. It only got worse after that. I would be happy to text it to you and her info so you can watch the video when she fell during her second to last race.
I am sure you don’t want that kind of proof, it wouldn’t be enough. Nothing would be enough. You will continue to be pro racing and I will continue to be against it. It is our right.
Toni
October 8, 2018 at 1:49 pm
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiy2vfgsvfdAhUnxoMKHZJ_CH0QFjAAegQIBRAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgreyhoundhalloffame.com%2Fgreyhound-hall-of-fame-inductee-kay-smith%2F&usg=AOvVaw3iPwPG8ql_DPLLlY2er_f_
Here it is Andy. The link to Kay Smith.
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 2:32 pm
What does that have to do with the non existent NGA email?. I’ve been in quite a few kennels at different tracks and have never saw ANY abuse. If racing was in anyway a den of abuse and cruelty there would be MANY police reports and court records attesting to this fact, yet you antis have never offered up even ONE.
I call your side liars because that is exactly what you do, just like Carey Thiel lies on this page, just like HSUS was fined $15000000 for paying a witness to lie. Just like Cathryn on this page about the dog deaths in May, Fred tried that and the dogs’ deaths were not race related. Read up on Animal Liberation Front then google “Christine Dorchak animal liberation front” this is the type of people on the yes side, liars, fraudsters, rackateers, blackmailers. Should tell you all you need to know.
Cathryn
October 8, 2018 at 3:45 pm
Andy, I have been ignoring you and your friends with your idiot comments because I can’t even fathom that you own a computer much less know how to use one. All you guys do is cry “liar liar” or “give us facts”. I gave you information that you and anyone else can get from the state of Florida. I am happy to send you a copy but again, you can’t get the information from the state of Floria DBPR. The examples I gave you do not list the cause of death because conveniently the records are all incomplete beginning in February 2018 right around the time of the first CRC meeting. Here are a few records that do list the cause of death, I am sure the trainers will be happy to give you more information:
KB’s Drake – possible mistreatment, vet found swollen throat and a ruptured lingual artery
Iwantanewtropy – fractured right metatarsus
Mohican Cream – shattered front elbow
Flying Volts – broke back leg
Shortys Babydoll – broke both front legs
Slatex Hermione – hit the rail
KB’s Packrat – electrocution
Do you need more causes of death or should I assist you with dialing the phone to call the state and let them know that they are liars
Cathryn
October 8, 2018 at 3:54 pm
Sorry typos above…you CAN get the information from the state of FLORIDA DBPR
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 9:33 pm
And over how many years are those records? Funny you couldn’t find the May records because our side did and only one died of racing related injury.
Tell you what, since you’re so good on the computer, google ” Christine Dorchak ALF”, tell us what you find. Google, ” HSUS rackateering”, tell us what you find, Google ” Grey2k blackmail”, tell us what you find.
We call you liars, because that is EXACTLY what you are. Your hero president Dorchak is a proven liar, Fred is a proven liar, Carey Stiel is a proven liar. HSUS paid a witness to LIE. When the shoe fits….
Why don’t you accept John Parker’s debate challenge? Because you are a lying coward like all the rest of you extremists
Toni
October 8, 2018 at 3:43 pm
I was responding to you saying there was no Smith farm. So now that I provided the info you jump to something else. I was not conversering with you regarding the e-mail, but to someone else. You accused me of lying about Smith Greyhound Farm. There are no police reports because none of you owners/trainers would EVER turn in the abusers. You all turned a blind eye for years until outsiders started blowing the whistle. But you all keep telling yourselves how much you really care. You all must think we are all stupid. Just because the public is invited to see “behind the scenes” by some owners, doesn’t mean they are allowed in all areas. The same with the farms. I heard it all when I was working. If it smells like BS it is BS. What do you do Andy? Your job? Greyhound breeder/owner/trainer? You seem to know so much.
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 9:41 pm
So what, there was a farm, that’s the problem with you people, you lie so much one can only assume everything you say is a lie. Convienent excuse for no police reports. If abuse and cruelty runs rampant as your side suggests then there would be plenty, but of course there isn’t because it isn’t true. Just like when Pam Bondi was asked to provide all the greyhgound cruelty cases she lied about prosecuting, all we got was crickets.
As for what I do, that doesn’t concern you, act like I know everything huh, I know Dorchak is a proven liar and aligned with terrorist ALF, I know HSUS paid a witness to lie, I know grey2k attempted blackmail in W VA. Crooks, there are no blackmailers or terrorists or racketeers on our side, only yours, which will be the losing side, let me know when you find such criminal activity concerning NASCAR or the NRA.
I still see the NGA email is invisible…..
Craig Laginess
October 8, 2018 at 9:47 pm
Andy, let’s not forget the AKC or UKC. Plus the Florida Farm Bureau.
Toni
October 8, 2018 at 9:50 pm
You’re like a parrot, trained to say the same things over and over again. The e-mail is no concern of yours. I’m done wasting time communicating with a parrot or maybe a robot.
Craig Laginess
October 8, 2018 at 9:56 pm
…and the yes on 13 campaign doesn’t??? We all know that your vote is a lost cause and that I don’t have a vote. If it passes enjoy your $500 million tax bill courtesy of the 5 gaming companies that benefit.
Toni
October 8, 2018 at 10:01 pm
Sorry Craig, I was commenting to Andy not you. I don’t live in Florida so I’m not voting, just supporting 13.
Andy
October 8, 2018 at 10:14 pm
But everything this parrot says is TRUE, and most everything the parrot you are says is not true, now where is that invisible email? See what I mean, funny you offer up no comments on the criminals you support, you’re exactly like Fred in that regard.
LoverofGreyhounds
October 8, 2018 at 10:06 pm
Of course there was a Smith Greyhound Farm, and Kay Smith is well known in the greyhound community. Ms Smith raised numerous successful greyhounds and did amazing work within the NGA & for her community. If there was any hint of abuse on her farm it would have been reported and handled by the NGA, state inspectors & law enforcement.
You can’t use 1 or 2 dogs adopted from Ms Smith as proof of abuse.
Have you noticed that now vets country wide talk about tooth & gum disease? It is not only greyhounds but is a direct result of the crappy food we are feeding all pets. And fleas & ticks? In 1958 my grandmother purchased a poodle from a breeder, and he had them too.
Please everyone let’s have some level of common sense. Greyhound racing is what has kept this breed going, and will continue to do so because we are all voting NO ON 13!
And for the record we are retired, have been adopters since the early ‘90’s and owners since 2014. We currently have 10 greyhounds living in our home, all but 1 retired.
Toni
October 8, 2018 at 10:32 pm
LoverofGreyhounds, I am happy your dogs live in your home. Maybe Andy will believe you, regarding Smith’s farm. He just calls me a lier. Have you ever been to her farm? I saw a photo with rows and rows of wooden dog houses. Please tell me how anyone can properly keep track of and properly care for hundreds of dogs? I had a staff of five just to care for a maximum of 30 dogs at the city shelter I supervised. Giving them the best care was our responsibility, whether it was treating them for worm infestation, fleas, ticks, heart worm, injuries, or anything else they came in with. When they went to a new home they were healthy. That cannot be said for many of the greyhounds I have seen come into rescue. Not ALL owners give their dogs the best care possible and I know, you know this to be true.
LoverofGreyhounds
October 8, 2018 at 10:47 pm
I had never been to Smith Farm but the fact that there were numerous runs with houses for the puppies isn’t surprising as litter mates live together for 12 months. And let’s face it, many years ago the numbers of puppies whelped was much more than what it is today. There have also been amazing strides in heartworm & flea & tick prevention.
Let’s not mistaken what was done years ago to what is being done today. The racing community (kennels, owners, adoption group & adopters) has come a long way in finding homes at retirement.
I will VoteNoOn13!
LoverofGreyhounds
October 8, 2018 at 10:55 pm
And let me add that I have had 14 greyhounds since 1993 & out of all of them have had 1 that need a tooth removed.
Toni
October 8, 2018 at 10:57 pm
Sadly, many of the dogs I have recently seen come into rescue do have ticks, fleas and worms. I know some have come from Florida, some from West Virginia and I would think from other states. It is better then it once was, but proper care of ALL Greyhounds has a long way to go. Owners/trainers must be willing to step up and report neglect or mistreatment when they see it. The code of silence has to end.
Fred Barton
October 8, 2018 at 5:40 pm
Sorry Craig. I was there, volunteering with Michigan REGAP. Dogs went to any groups who had room.
Craig Laginess
October 8, 2018 at 5:49 pm
Another anti-racing group that no longer exists. I left them because some of my money was going towards anti-racing propaganda that could’ve been better used on the dogs. I will admit that they hooked me up with one helluva a dog.
Fred Barton
October 8, 2018 at 9:14 pm
Michigan REGAP still exists. Check out their FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/MI.REGAP/
Craig Laginess
October 8, 2018 at 9:49 pm
My bad, I bet you one dollar that they aren’t getting any NGA greyhounds other than returns.
Fred Barton
October 9, 2018 at 7:32 am
Correct. They refused to abandon their anti-racing stance and so were frozen out. They’re looking in to rescuing dogs from Macau.
LoverofGreyhounds
October 8, 2018 at 11:00 pm
There is no “code of silence “. The racing community is against any mistreatment of the greyhounds or any animal.
Toni
October 8, 2018 at 11:07 pm
Maybe that is true at the tracks you are familiar with, but can you speak for all owners at all the tracks that they would report neglect or abuse?
Andy
October 9, 2018 at 7:40 am
Funny how you don’t mention the invisible NGA email anymore
Toni
October 9, 2018 at 9:45 am
LoverofGreyhounds, I have not forgotten about the e-mail. The last few days have been very busy and today as well. I will let you know one way or the other. Oh, and thank you for not resorting to name calling. It is a pleasure to communicate with someone on the other side in a civilized manner. We may have totally different beliefs, but we can still can show respect.
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