Staff Reports
A new poll suggests a proposed constitutional amendment aimed at ending live dog racing in Florida may not pass.
The survey by St. Pete Polls shows a total of 50 percent polled are for Amendment 13, while 38 percent are opposed and nearly 12 percent are still undecided just a days before the general election.
Amendments, however, need no less than 60 percent approval to be added to the state’s governing document. That means the campaign to pass the measure will need to convince many of the uncertain to come over to their side in the next few days.
More significantly, of those who said they already voted, 53 ½ percent voted ‘yes,’ a little over 38 percent voted ‘no,’ and just over 8 percent were “undecided.”
To be undecided on the question but already voted suggests those are undervotes; that is, people who did not register a preference for that amendment on their ballot.
For those polled who said they had not yet voted but plan to do so, 45 percent voted for the amendment, roughly 38 ½ were against, and almost 16 ½ percent hadn’t made up their minds yet.
Carey Theil, Senior Advisor to the Protect Dogs-Yes on 13 campaign, said Saturday that these latest results “show a photo finish with Amendment 13 approaching 60 percent.”
“The most reliable data is the survey results for people who have already voted,” he said in a statement to Florida Politics. “For that group, the data suggests an undervote of 8 percent and the race at 58-42 among the votes that have already been cast.
“This is consistent with another survey done by Suffolk University last week, and our internal projections indicate Amendment 13 will likely receive between 58 percent and 62 percent of the vote.
“The Suffolk survey indicated broad support across the entire electorate: Of people who have made up their mind, we won with a healthy margin among both men (59 percent) and women (62 percent).
“We do well in every geographic area of the state: South (63 percent), North (59 percent), West (60 percent) and East (58 percent).
“We further do well among every age group: 18-34 (61 percent), 35-44 (59 percent), 45-54 (64 percent), 55-65 (60 percent) and 65-and-older (58 percent).
“And we do well among voters who are white (61 percent), black (62 percent), and Latino/a (58 percent).
“This race is close, and Tuesday will be a long night for those of us who care about greyhounds,” he concluded.
Here’s the fine print for the poll: It was conducted Nov. 1-2 “through an automated phone call polling system. The results were then weighted to account for proportional differences between the respondents’ demographics and the demographics of the active general election voter population for the state of Florida.
“The weighting demographics used were: political party, race, age, gender and media market.
“The voters polled were chosen at random within the registered voter population within the state of Florida. Voters who said they were not planning to vote were excluded from the results below. The scientific results shown for the questions below have a sample size of 2,733 and a 1.9 percentage point margin of error, at a 95 percent confidence level.”
Amendment 13, placed on the ballot by the 2017-18 Constitution Revision Commission, would outlaw placing bets on greyhound and other dog races, such as at the state’s pari-mutuels. In Florida, live dog racing is still conducted at 11 tracks.
If approved, the amendment would allow greyhound racing to continue through the end of 2020. The proposal also would allow other gambling at tracks, such as card games, to continue even after dog racing ends.
Updated 2:30 p.m. — Jennifer Newcome, chair of the Committee to Support Greyhounds, writes: “The Committee is confident that we will be victorious in this vote, keeping the proud, century-old tradition of greyhound racing in Florida alive and well for many years to come.
“The dedication of our boots-on-the-ground greyhound supporters, paired with both active and retired racers, has contributed to a tremendous statewide community outreach program.
“With our TV, radio and digital ads and billboard campaigns, along with the support of over 100 greyhound adoption groups as well as over 80 independent entities, we are confident that our truthful message has been spread, and in turn will lead to Florida voters supporting greyhounds and voting ‘No’ on 13.”
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Background for this post from Senior Editor Jim Rosica in Tallahassee. Main photo: Van Abernethy.
125 comments
Andy
November 3, 2018 at 2:10 pm
Here we have the proven liar lying again twisting polling numbers. Can’t believe anything these liars say. Not going to pass
Daniel T
November 7, 2018 at 1:27 pm
Oh yeah?
Craig Laginess
November 7, 2018 at 1:38 pm
Now we work with the tracks, kennels and owners to find homes for the dogs. No NGA greyhound will go to a Florida shelter or anti-racing adoption group. We will also fight Grey2k and HSUS lies on other states. I hope that the 69% can sleep at night knowing that they killed the livelihoods of 3k direct and 10k indirect people. #grey2klies #hsuslies #youbettheylie
Fred Barton
November 7, 2018 at 2:57 pm
I would hope that after the shock of the loss wears off the industry will decide to put the interests of the dogs first for a change and work with adoption groups–all adoption groups to ensure a safe and orderly exit for the greyhounds. We actually have a chance to work together here for a change to help the dogs and the people transition out of racing. The dogs to their forever homes and the people to new careers, or retraining, or reeducation. The gambling industry can help with this as they did in Iowa, and the Legislature can have a role in making sure the end of racing is equitable to all.
Craig Laginess
November 8, 2018 at 5:32 am
Fred right now our side is too pissed off. The only thing an anti-racing group is going to get is a “thanks, but no thanks and f— off”.
Jane
November 9, 2018 at 1:42 pm
Craig (and Andy), no matter whose side lost, they would be “Pissed off”. But the real test of character and integrity is what happens next. On the grand scheme of things, gambling on dog racing is going away, Prop 13 or not. To act like a child or “spoiled sport” afterward is just plain immature. You know….we rebuilt Germany after we leveled them in WW2. Perhaps helping the system out to go to its logical and expected conclusion would HELP your next steps rather than devastate it.
mark
November 3, 2018 at 2:43 pm
carey enjoys spending others money to find out they are going to lose…BTW how much had carey and hsus earmarked to help the greyhounds had it passed? Is it true they have already blown thru $2.1 million?
Maxine B
November 3, 2018 at 2:59 pm
PETA, HSUS and grey2k are million dollar lobbying fund raisers. THAT DON”T DO ANYTHING FOR THE “GREYHOUNDS” THEY SAY THEY ARE RESCUING.. The Dogs race on maintained tracks. regulated by the state.. and are loved and well taken care of by all who deal with them.. DON”T BE FOOLED BY OUT OF STATE LOBBYISTS… Only casino gambling and slot parlors will be the winner if you vote yes.
Joe T
November 3, 2018 at 3:42 pm
Theil needs to pack up and go back to Mass. He had a 3 month paid vacation on donors money, never seen hide nor hair of their so called mascot Gina that they dont own
Andy
November 3, 2018 at 3:56 pm
Funny, now the cowardly liar is saying 60, what happened to the 70 percent he was proclaiming earlier?
Jane
November 8, 2018 at 12:15 am
It hit very close to 70%. Exactly what GREY2K said. I guess they were right!
Robert G.
November 3, 2018 at 4:03 pm
Carey Theil and his band of liars isn’t going to get away with this. Carey isn’t a complete buffoon. He knows how well greyhounds are treated. But his lies put more dollars in his pocket than the truth does.
Dick Ciampa
November 3, 2018 at 4:26 pm
It’s funny how Carey and Christine got caught in one of their bigger lies a few years ago. For year after year Carey and Christine proclaimed that 20,000 greyhounds a year were killed. They had no proof because it was a lie. Then one day in one fell swoop Grey2K board member, Jen Krebs, undid ten years of lies with one statement. Jen stated that there are 200,000 greyhounds have been adopted in the last ten years. That is an average of 20,000 greyhounds ADOPTED not killed a year.
It was a short time after that that Jen Krebs was no longer a board member of Grey2K. Ten years of lies undone with one sentence in ten seconds.
Liars lie that is what they do and they never stop.
Vote NO on question 13.
Craig Laginess
November 3, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Carey can go back to chasing ambulances in Massachusetts after they lose on Tuesday, if his law license doesn’t get suspended for his lies.
Robert G.
November 4, 2018 at 3:53 pm
If only Carey Theil had a law degree. If only Carey Theil had a college degree. This clown barely graduated from high school in 1996. He got fired from the only real job he ever had – some errand boy for a state legislator. After that he quickly high-tailed it off to Massachusetts. No degree for this jackass.
Craig Laginess
November 4, 2018 at 4:24 pm
So he’s Christine’s bitch and nothing more. Gee why am I not surprised. There was an esq. after his name on the letter that him and Christine sent out soliciting donations? That could really get the little dicked liar in quite a bit of trouble.
Robert G.
November 4, 2018 at 5:08 pm
You think he has a dick?
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 6:05 pm
Of course not, Christine has the dick, as he showed when she made him run inside so Jeff didn’t kick his pussy ass
Lindsay
November 3, 2018 at 5:15 pm
#VoteNoon13!
Voted early today!
Shelly
November 3, 2018 at 5:33 pm
PLEASE vote no. This bill is not just about greyhounds, it includes many dog sports including agility, obedience, rally, flyball, lure coursing, coursing ability, and barn hunt – to name a few. Greyhounds are the “face” of the bill, but it bans all timed dog events. And to top it off, greyhounds aren’t abused – they’re playing on old stigmas and a quick, knee jerk response to faked photos.
As competitors, event chairmen, training facility owners, ect, we bring hundreds of thousands of dollars to the state in revenue by supporting local businesses. I personally hold multiple events a year, and have spoken to the hotel owners, restaurant owners, and other local small businesses surrounding my events and my events bring about 15k-20k in revenue to the towns I hold them in. I do this 3-4 times a year, in different towns – and I am one person. Kissimmee gave my club a huge credit for bringing so much revenue to the city, they get it.
If you ban our sports, you lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in money to the state, and you chase us from it. We’re not going to change professions, we’re going to change states. Do you want to lose Royal Canin, and all that money we bring? Because thats the reality.
Don Goldstein
November 4, 2018 at 7:30 am
I am sorry that you are believing the lies and misrepresentations used to scare voters instead of the Florida Supreme Court who opined, “If Amendment 13 is adopted, therefore, the only activities which will change in a material way are dog racing in Florida and wagering thereon, which will cease.” The text of the Amendment says “a person authorized to conduct gaming or pari-mutuel operations may not race greyhounds or any member of the Canis Familiaris subspecies in connection with any wager for money or any other thing of value in this state.” The only persons “authorized to conduct gaming or pari-mutuel operations” in Florida are horse tracks, jai-alai frontons, and dog tracks. So unless your events occur at one of those facilities and there is wagering on them, this amendment cannot and will not affect them. Again from the Supreme Court, “It would be unreasonable to conclude Amendment 13 extends to other forms of racing. The ballot language accurately describes the scope of Amendment 13 as being limited to racing of dogs in connection with wagering.”
Craig Laginess
November 4, 2018 at 7:56 am
Don, you are full of shit. The amendment is all about decoupling and it opens up the door for the animal rights nut jobs to ban other animal sports activities. #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies #youbettheylie
Don Goldstein
November 4, 2018 at 8:00 am
Craig, besides your foul language, I’m not sure why you think you are smarter than the Justices of the Florida Supreme Court! If you can’t fight the facts, call people names.
Craig Laginess
November 4, 2018 at 8:10 am
I call it as I see it if you can’t handle my bluntness tough cookies. The amendment is a trojan horse and is about decoupling. When you have the AKC, UKC, Florida Farm Bureau, the NRA, FMVH and 102 greyhound adoption groups that oppose the amendment they see through the bullshit of it. How many dogs will you sponsor if the amendment passes? 10? 20? 50? #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies #youbettheylie
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 10:47 am
Dorchak’, Stiel, Barton proven liars FACT, grey2k aligned with terrorists FACT, Dorchak’ got her start in PETA FACT. HSUS are racketeers FACT, there are a few facts for you liar
Craig Laginess
November 4, 2018 at 11:38 am
Another FACT a greyhound track in Massachusetts helped pay for Dorchak’s law degree and the lying bitch put them out of business. #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies #youbettheylie
Mike
November 4, 2018 at 1:20 pm
Come on Don, the Supreme Court of Fl is no different than a WWE script-Pam called in her favors and 3’judges leaving – it’s farce 13- your so cavalier dismissing at least 3000 Jobs, 8000 dogs and millions in lost tax revenue- Grey2k is already heading home – they took all the keyboard losers with this scam and ran #VoteNoOn13 #HoundsOnTheRun NRA see the truth- not corrupt journalists- now newspapers is a dead game- not dog racing!
Robert G.
November 4, 2018 at 3:58 pm
The Justices of the Supreme Court have no control over what legal actions are filed if (and that’s a big “if”) this amendment passes. The animal rights terrorists will not stop with the FL Supreme Court. There is still the Eleventh Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court.
This amendment is a Trojan Horse. The rights of all Floridians who work with or interact with animals, is at risk.
George Bova
November 4, 2018 at 6:03 pm
This supreme court speaks only for its current members, not any future ones. If Don complains how nobody trusts such language in the Florida constitution, he should have demonstrated enough good sense to never have added it to the amendment in the first place. Don wants to have his cake and eat it too but its only crow being served to the liars at HSUS and Grey2k by Florida’s voters this Tuesday.
My advice to you Don? Make sure to drown your portion in lots of ketchup.
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 9:58 am
Yep, full of shit you sure are. Lies you say, from the side of proven liars blackmailers and racketeers
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 5:33 pm
Notice how Don, staunch defender of Kelly Fattcloth is all adamant with the Supreme Court’s decision but the 2 courts that have made a mockery of the cocaine bs do not enter the equation, yet another example of the hypocrisy of these scammers
Joannie Foster
November 5, 2018 at 10:16 am
Don Goldstein, you MUST be on grey2krazy’s payroll, because your statements are incomplete, out of context, truth-twisting, and just plain bulls**t! All of the above are hallmarks of the out-of-state whacktivists. You sited one sentence from the 22 page document from the Florida Supreme Court stating, in part, “…the only activities which will change in a material way are dog racing in Florida and wagering thereon…”. The sentence just before that states the existing statutory requirements for cardrooms and slot machine operations would be removed. That single line decouples the existing law, and opens the door for gambling expansion, something the people of Florida have voted against three times. It appears on the ballot as “other gaming activities are not affected”. That statement may be true, but does not describe its full scope. It matters not, to me, that six Supreme Court judges decided that the ballot language was not defective. That fact only puts a spotlight on the depth of the corruption in this state’s politics, to include its judicial system.
Bruce Warner
November 3, 2018 at 6:20 pm
Grey2K, a radical, out of state animal rights group with ties to the terrorist group Animal Liberation Front. Grey2K does not care about greyhounds. They’ve never done anything to support greyhound adoption, something the greyhound racing industry wholeheartedly embraces and funds. Nor do they care about the economic welfare of Floridians. Grey2K produces slanderous television advertisements using stolen video that has been altered and photo shopped. If successful, they will undoubtedly target horse racing, hunting, fishing, zoos, farming, and anything else for which they gain financial/political support. Common sense tell us the following: Those involved in the greyhound racing industry rely on the welfare of the greyhounds to make a living. How would abusing them benefit greyhound owners in any way? To the contrary, it would only harm the greyhounds and, as a result, people would destroy their own livelihoods. These allegations make no sense. This “animal rights” platform is simply a disguise for Florida politicians to expand casino gambling. Ask Massachusetts residents about the tax increases and negative economic impact caused by Grey2K’s 2008 greyhound racing ban. How coincidental that Las Vegas style casinos are now expanding in Massachusetts, where no casinos existed before. If Amendment 13 passes, Florida will suffer the same demise as Atlantic City. And what happens to the greyhounds? Grey2K offers NO plan whatsoever for the thousands of greyhounds that will be displaced. They also claim greyhound racing is an industry that will die within a year or two. Then why spend hundreds of thousands of other peoples’ dollars on this deceitful smear campaign full of doctored videos and phony statistics? Want the truth?
Go to: https://www.facebook.com/RealGreyhoundAdvocates/videos/2182276358656397/
Go to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRp1nTrgCh8&feature=youtu.be
Vote NO on Amendment 13.
bruce warner
November 3, 2018 at 8:37 pm
VOTE NO ON 13. Grey2K, a radical, out of state animal rights group with ties to the terrorist group Animal Liberation Front, is attempting to ban greyhound racing in Florida, a tradition dating back to 1922. Grey2K does not care about greyhounds. They’ve never done anything to support greyhound adoption, something the greyhound racing industry wholeheartedly embraces and funds. Nor do they care about the economic welfare of Floridians. Grey2K produces slanderous television advertisements using stolen video that has been altered and photo shopped. If successful, they will undoubtedly target horse racing, hunting, fishing, zoos, farming, and anything else for which they gain financial/political support. Ask Massachusetts residents about the tax increases and negative economic impact caused by Grey2K’s 2008 greyhound racing ban. How coincidental that Las Vegas style casinos are now expanding in Massachusetts, where no casinos existed before. If Amendment 13 passes, Florida will suffer the same demise as Atlantic City. And what happens to the greyhounds? Grey2K offers NO plan whatsoever for the thousands of greyhounds that will be displaced. They also claim greyhound racing is an industry that will die within a year or two. Then why spend hundreds of thousands of other peoples’ dollars on this deceitful smear campaign full of doctored videos and phony statistics? Want the truth?
Go to: https://www.facebook.com/RealGreyhoundAdvocates/videos/2182276358656397/
Go to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRp1nTrgCh8&feature=youtu.be
Vote NO on Amendment 13.
Vote YES on 13
November 4, 2018 at 7:04 am
I already voted YES!!!!
The racing needs to end.
There are numerous reasons to vote YES!
The official injury and deaths reports are enough for me to vote YES!!
Let’s work to get the greyhounds into loving homes where they belong……
Vote YES on 13!!!
Yes on 13- Not Welcome Here
November 4, 2018 at 7:46 pm
Oh look, It’s Kelly Kah Sky with her scripted nonsense… Beat it…
Can’t wait to see Amendment 13 go down in flames once Floridians have spoken!!!
JANE
November 6, 2018 at 8:37 pm
YOU WERE SAYING?
LOLOLOL
Kelly Faircloth
November 4, 2018 at 8:40 am
What the polling shows most of all is that MANY more people are for Amendment 13 than against it. Even if we don’t hit 60% this time, we aren’t done fighting for the welfare of greyhounds. Not by a long shot. The report two days ago showing another 10 dogs have died, and another positive drug r eport, shows the undecided that they need to vote #YesOn13.
So, I believe we will prevail. But if we don’t, we will not give up. Greyhound racing will end in Florida, and every greyhound will have a loving home, not a cage. Count on it.
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 10:02 am
Well, if it’s not ” fat can be managed Kelly. Guess you’re at Shoneys buffet right now. Still harping the lies about cocaine when 2 courts have destroyed it. No, you’re not going to win this time or next time. We are coming after you liars and scammers. Thieves
Jane Marder
November 5, 2018 at 1:41 am
No matter who’s side anybody is on – I find you, Andy’s, comments so revolting that I will vote YES just due to your disgusting and insulting rhetoric. Andy, stay away from children and greyhounds. You are a very sick man who probably never had a loving home yourself. I pity you.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 8:56 am
Actually I had a very loving home growing up, just returning what they started with their lies of abuse and giving dogs cocaine etc. They are vilifying honest hard working people for no other reason than to line their pockets. If there is all this abuse where are the police reports and why don’t they have their own videos showing abuse instead of having to steal videos and didtort them?
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 9:21 am
Also, I don’t give one hot damn about what you think either, it isn’t your way of life they are trying to destroy. Had enough of these criminals
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 9:48 am
Well, I do not believe you regarding having a warm loving household. It doesn’t show. Your way of life (dog racing) is going away by itself with or without this constitutional amendment. Hope you do not mind me posting your vile comments around the blogs and Facebook a bit as an example of the total lack of class your side seems to exhibit. Actually, you are getting to be quite the star on Twitter right now. Keep digging that hole, you are sadly entertaining!
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 11:25 am
The hole is yours, after all, we are going to win. As your side has proven time and again, you are the liars, not us. NRA or AKC has never had blackmail or racketeering charges, but grey2k and HSUS sure has.
The total lack of class our side, when your side has stolen signs, stolen video footage, accused honest hard working people of abusing and drugging the greyhounds, accused people of white supremacy and being a cokehead. Tell you what LIAR, after tomorrow you can head up to the Massachusetts safe room with your criminal cohorts. Maybe Dorkchak and Fattcloth will allow you to attend the next terrorist ALF convention with them
Craig Laginess
November 5, 2018 at 9:25 am
Jane, if you’re going to base your vote because you got a little offended by the truth, then maybe you should not vote on the amendment. No wonder why our country has gotten soft. I’m sure that you can find a “safe” place on the bus that Carey went crying to when he was confronted with the truth. #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies #youbettheylie
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 9:53 am
Well, Craig. I simply do not side with or support dicks. Perhaps going soft (your words) is your issue and that is the source of your insecurity. Have it checked out.
Craig Laginess
November 5, 2018 at 10:22 am
So Jane you have to make another false accusation. I have no problems in that area and my wife is very satisfied. So you’d rather side with liars, thieves, racketeers and terrorists rather than the truth. #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies #youbettheylie
Shelley Holmes
November 5, 2018 at 9:58 am
You’re going to annihilate a beautiful breed and open the door for the radicals to do more damage because you don’t like Andy? I hope most Floridians put more thought into voting than that. Just wow.
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 12:19 pm
Nothing will be annihilated. Puppy breeders will still make money selling greyhounds based on demand as pets and not demand for racing. Sounds more like supply and demand balance than annihilation. Andy is obviously at the same level as a middle school bully. Very self-centered and insecure. Feels the need to belittle others simply because they do not agree fully with him. Not the kind of person I wish to side with or agree with. He makes that very evident. Keep supporting him though, if you like that kind of help. You need to look at the bigger picture rather than cherry-pick information.
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 10:25 am
Also, you don’t know that MANY more Floridians support the crooks side, I guess you have seen the final vote. And many yes voters have been swayed by your deceptive advertising with stolen footage. We get more converts daily as the TRUTH becomes known. In your first ad it was 70 percent, but that’s been shown to be a lie, all you crooks do is LIE. Guess you are through with the Shoneys buffet now lardass, but take heart, the Chinese buffet opens in 30 minutes.
Mike
November 4, 2018 at 1:22 pm
Oh please that many dogs today died in Fl shelters-why aren’t you fighting for them – no cash or glory for Grey2k and the no life hypocrites #VoteNoOn13 #HoundsOnTheRun
Mike
November 4, 2018 at 8:00 pm
Once you lose Wednesday- hit the gym- lose 50lbs- fix broken cookie – get off keyboard and get a life -there’s a 450lb woman supporting yes on 13-sending piggy packing #VoteNoOn13 #HoundsOnTheRun
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 11:37 pm
Lots of 450 pound women, but they will never lose 50 pounds, takes too much WORK, much easier to scam people than to work. Do a little research on some of these crooks, a higher majority than the norm are overweight, like Kelly Fattcloth there, even Dorkchak is is a fatty, but not to Fattcloth’s standard. Nasty, evil, vile people. We will win simply because good triumphs over evil, and atheists like Fred, did you know 67% of vegans are atheist?
Kurt
November 5, 2018 at 1:46 am
Mike, you are another one that hinders your cause. The no voters do not want your kind associated with their activities. Go away, quickly. We do not need people like you to pollute our livelihood.
Jane
November 6, 2018 at 8:38 pm
Hey Mike – looks like your lardass needs to hit the gym instead
George Bova
November 4, 2018 at 10:40 am
Carey Theil, meet your WATERLOO. You’ve outspent your opponents 10-to-1 even while falsely-declaring you’re the ones fighting moneyed interests? A liar to the very end…
You’ll never get this close ever again, Carey The spending per vote makes your side look utterly pathetic — AND YOU STILL LOST REGARDLESS.
This fact will dog you for the rest of your days. You can count on it.
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 10:43 am
Yep 3 million against 100 thousand, just goes to show the power of TRUTH
Mike
November 4, 2018 at 1:25 pm
No 3million that’s says corruption that could help dogs instead of the 100k that does Andy-but a real man knows #HoundsOnTheRun #VoteNoOn13 but any man that votes yes on 13 is a bitch! Or pedofiles- so you fit nicely- can’t wait until Wednesday – to hear all your crying!
Jane
November 6, 2018 at 8:40 pm
George, meet Napolean……Napolean…meet George. Enjoy your defeats
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 2:22 pm
Well, we know we can expect nothing but lies from Kelly Fatcloth and her criminal cohorts
Janey
November 4, 2018 at 9:14 pm
Good grief. The petty insults and slanderous terms are flying thick and fast from the pro-racers. But it’s what we’ve come to expect from them. Now let’s see – should amendment 13 pass then Grey2K and others who speak out against the cruel and corrupt sport will have more free time and the ability to take care of re-homing Greyhounds. Vote Yes on 13. It’s the smart vote.
George Bova
November 4, 2018 at 9:23 pm
There are over 100 Greyhound Adoption groups who know what’s best for the dogs they VOLUNTEER to help, Janey. That’s why they have all publicly declared urging everyone VOTE NO on Amendment 13. Grey2k has no plan for rehoming a single Greyhound, no different than back in Massachusetts or anywhere else they successfully dupe animal lovers like you — and profiting from the enterprise too. Wise up.
Craig Laginess
November 4, 2018 at 9:37 pm
The slander and malicious destruction of property has all been from the anti-racing people. They have threatened lives of both people and their dogs. They have also called a person a coke head. That’s slander along with the lies, manipulation and theft. Yes I’ve said that people are full of shit and that Carey has a small penis, if you can’t handle it, I’m sure that they have a “safe” place for you on the bus that Carey went crying to when he was confronted. I will gladly say it again. They are nothing but a bunch of cowards. #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies
Robert G.
November 4, 2018 at 10:20 pm
Grey2k USA has NEVER re-homed a greyhound. Ever. None. Nada. Zilch. Nil. Never have. Never will. The owners of Grey2k USA (wife / “husband” – Dorchak / Theil) have pocketed millions of dollars with their lies and misleading propaganda. And they have never, ever re-homed a greyhound. They’ve killed one, and are in the process of killing another. But re-home? No.
Andy
November 4, 2018 at 10:39 pm
I say AGAIN, the documented CRIMINAL behavior is on YOUR side liar, proven liars, RACKETEERS, BLACKMAILERS. More criminal acts during this campaign, stealing video, signs, slander, lies, distortion
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 9:25 am
Right, just like the ZERO time they spent rehoming in Mass, what they did do was hold a fundraiser for rehoming then ran off with the money like a thief in the night
Aaron Cross
November 5, 2018 at 5:01 am
Stay classy… Just saying…
#YesOn13
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 10:02 am
Apparently, the old guys pushing the no votes have no class. Just schoolyard insults. That’s all they have. Made up anti-yes stories and name calling.
Craig Laginess
November 5, 2018 at 10:43 am
The Yes side is doing so much worse. Stealing and destroying NO signs, which is a misdemeanor. Stealing and manipulating copyrighted material. Grossly understating handle figures. So tell me again who is being less classy???
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 10:57 am
Oh yes made up stories that are easily proved, Dorchak being card carrying ALF member isn’t made up, nor is that she got her start in PETA, being proven liars isn’t made up, engaging in blackmail isnt made up, nor is the stealing of signs and videos, HSUS isn’t made up either. What is made up is the abuse allegations of which you have no police reports, no videos….. NOTHING, and the cocaine bullshit is exactly that, that’s why 2 courts eviscerated them. Liars on your side, truth on our side. Outspent us 30-1 and we are going to win because we have TRUTH
Steven M Grabarczyk
November 5, 2018 at 4:42 pm
While I do not agree with some of the Pro Racing rhetoric, lets put it in perspective. John JP Goodwin, the terrorist from HSUS called me at work to harass me last week. The first EIGHT times in ONE MINUTE he disguised his phone # as “anonymous” So I did not answer and hit the reject button as those are usually sales calls. The NINTH time either he forgot or took it off so I would answer which I did. Why would the anti side harass someone at work? So Dont post this “classy” BS I did file a police report.
Fred Barton
November 5, 2018 at 9:27 pm
Hey Stevie: if he disguised his phone number the first eight times, how did you know it was him?
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 10:16 pm
Because trickery is how you liars operate
Beedub
November 5, 2018 at 8:22 am
How much did Prop 13 cost Florida taxpayers?
The culprits behind Prop 13 should be forced to pay the costs.
SEND THEM THE BILL, OR SEND THEM TO JAIL.
From a dollars and cents standpoint, frying the terrorists in the electric chair would be cheaper.
They do not deserve a fair trial, the greyhound people did not get one before the Constitution Revision Commission.
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 9:58 am
Congratulations Beedub. You win the internet’s daily prize for the lamest comment of the day. And so early too. I find the people pushing the no vote to have the weakest logic and most antagonistic attitude. Keep away from kids and the dogs deserve better than you
Craig Laginess
November 5, 2018 at 8:44 pm
Jane you are clueless. You preach classiness, but yet you refuse to acknowledge that the anti-racing movement have been doing illegal things from the get go. Just today there have been at least 5 incidents of our signs being stolen or vandalized, which is AGAINST the law. Let’s not forget that ALF has threatened to attack a kennel in the near future. You should quit now, you are starting to look like a southbound end of a northbound horse. #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies #youbettheylie
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 8:58 pm
If and when ALF does attack a kennel rest assured grey2k will be involved as well, makes sense since they are so closely intertwined
Wendi Tremblay
November 5, 2018 at 8:24 am
Vote NO on 13 please! This amendment (which states it “protects dogs”), actually hurts them by providing NO funds to help care for all 10,000 racing greyhounds at 11 tracks, until homes can be found, or bring them to adoption groups across the country to GET to new homes. Please visit a track, talk to trainers. Today’s greyhounds are well treated, well fed, well-excercised, and loved. I am an animal lover and adopter of retired racers for nearly 30 years! Plus, the hidden agenda of this amendment is to expand gambling by “decoupling” it from racing. This is why a lower court struck it down in July before it was put back on the ballot. Please don’t make the dogs pay for this folly. Even if you don’t like racing, shutting down all 11 tracks in a year is not the way to go! Please vote NO on Amendment 13.
Penny Bolt
November 5, 2018 at 10:40 am
Please read this terribly worded and misleading amendment 13. VOTE NO on 13. all animal activities could be claimed as inhumane. Also this disenfranchises the Florida voters who for years would not vote casinos in. Then allowed it as long as coupled with Horse and dog racing. Now that the casinos have their foo tin the door they want to end the vehicle that got them there thru the voter.
Mary
November 5, 2018 at 11:09 am
What you don’t see on the ballot but is actually in the amendment iis this line that is a game changer if passed:
“The Humane treatment of animals is a fundamental right.”
First, why do we want to give animals rights on a State Constitution which is actually written to protect people! Second, define humane treatment. We know the activists think K9 dogs, service dogs, sled dogs, agility dogs, AKC dogs are all treated inhumanly. They are trying to ban fishing in the Carolinas and trying to force California to only be able to buy free range chicken eggs.
Besides the fact that this amendment is really bad for the future if greyhounds, it also will give activists a foothold to pass more legislation that we don’t want!
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 12:28 pm
Mary. That statement does not give animals a basic right. If you read it with better understanding you would see that the “….treatment of animals is a fundamental right”. There is no connection between the two apparently except in your mind.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 1:25 pm
Says the follower of the cult with a history of fraud and lying a mile long, sister organization of a terrorist group. Do you personally engage in blackmail or just condone it when grey2k engages in it?
Don Goldstein
November 5, 2018 at 1:39 pm
Mary, if you’re going to quote something, please get it right. The sentence you are misquoting actually reads, “The humane treatment of animals is a fundamental value of the people of the State of Florida. ” Very different than what you misquoted.
Fred Barton
November 5, 2018 at 11:27 am
You know, if polls were accurate we’d all be talking about President Clinton right now, so let’s just wait and see what happens tomorrow. There is one thing certain though, and the industry knows this: if we do lose, we’ll be back.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 11:37 am
No doubt you will proven liar atheist Fred, but the resistance will be all the stronger too, and it will be the plot line as this time, lies, slander, theft, distortion, bed mates with racketeers and terrorists. Criminals always engage in criminality.
We aren’t talking about President Clinton, are we, but we are talking about PRESIDENT TRUMP, just like we will be doing for 6 more years.
Funny how none of you liars are harping the 70% lie anymore
George Bova
November 5, 2018 at 11:41 am
Hey, this is going to be a FUN party now. Fred Barton is here to wear the lampshade on his head! Don’t worry about the Greyhound community, Fred. We’re not done with you or any of your fellow Grey2k fraudsters either — not by a sight. That’s what is truly certain.
FUN adjective
Definition of fun (Entry 3 of 3)
1 : providing entertainment, amusement, or enjoyment
a fun party
a fun person to be with
2 : full of fun : PLEASANT
have a fun time
`Robert G.
November 5, 2018 at 11:59 am
Your ‘house of cards’ is crumbling before our very eyes. The public is beginning to see (and will continue to see) what a load of crap the pro-13 group has tried flinging at Floridians.
Amendment 13 is a Trojan Horse. Animal rights extremists, like Barton, will use language in this amendment to infringe upon the rights of all Floridians who own, or work with animals. #VoteNoOn13
Craig Laginess
November 5, 2018 at 12:04 pm
Fred, we all know that Grey2k will be back just like that annoying, pain in the ass kid that nobody wants anything to do with. You anti-racing folks woke up a sleeping giant and you’re ammunition is supply is drying up. $3.1 million wasted that could have helped the animals, what a shame, just like the Michigan State students that pay your salary. #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies #youbettheylie
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 12:33 pm
Fred, Clinton won the popular vote. By about 2 million votes. Which was just about the exact number predicted. The distribution was jumbled around a bit causing the electoral college to contradict the popular vote. So, even with 2 weak and flawed candidates, the polls were half right.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 1:06 pm
The only question is how many of those votes were illegal aliens. Ouf great President won the electoral college handily
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 1:50 pm
When you are proven wrong, you resort to ridiculousness.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 3:22 pm
My man is in the White House liar, not your Crooked Hillary
Mellissa
November 5, 2018 at 11:57 am
#VOTENOON13
This amendment is misleading the public. First of all it stops short of showing you what it’s really about. It says it will end racing by Dec. 31,2020.
Before that amendment was filed CRC member Jeanette Nunez filed an amendment to the amendment that tracks could cease racing on Dec 31,2018 with no penalties to their other activities,which will allow them to expand their casinos. While putting thousands of people out of work and thousands of greyhounds at risk. Plus…
It opens Pandora’s Box for other animal activities and ownership. They will want to tell you what you can and can’t do with your animals ie; herding , hunting , showing,agility, dock diving,and fast cat to name a few. After that they will tell you what you can and can’t do with your livestock, chickens or anything else raised for food purposes.
This amendment is no good it has far reaching consequences.
Do the right thing read it before you vote! Be informed!
Also be civil, be polite, be kind.
VOTE NO ON 13
BD_Carpish
November 5, 2018 at 12:15 pm
Ask yourself which side is feeding you information, and which side is encouraging you to go see and judge the facts for yourself. #NOON13.
BD_Carpish
November 5, 2018 at 12:17 pm
“The Humane treatment of animals is a fundamental right.”
Hope you all like Tofu!
#NOON13
Fred Barton
November 5, 2018 at 12:26 pm
You know, I would thing the industry would want 13 to pass. After all, a managed shut down of racing would be far less painful than the economic death that’s coming for it anyway.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Right, that’s why Iowa handle increased 2 million over last year, because it’s dying so bad. And your phase out is a smokescreen, like all your criminal groups offerings
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 1:12 pm
And Andy – the track is heavily subsidized just to break even. It is a GIANT loser. Here is another quote to prove you are totally and fully lying and incorrect:
FACT:
It (Iowa track) receives about $10 million per year from in-state casinos to keep the track open, $1 million of that coming directly from Q Casino in Dubuque. The other $9.2 million comes from Bluffs Run at Horseshoe Council Bluffs. Half of that money goes directly towards racing operations, maintenance, etc. The other half goes to greyhound owners and trainers.
However, because of state legislation from 2014, Q Casino will only make payments until 2021. Bluffs Run will only make payments through 2022- meaning that money goes away in four years and the racetrack will need to find ways to fund itself.
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 1:23 pm
But wait – there is more Andy! Iowa only charges that track $1 per year for the land and that changes soon. And they STILL cannot turn a profit!
Wow Andy – you blew yourself out of the water with lies and misinformation this time! Keep going. Dig that hole deeper.:
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The space occupied by the racetrack is technically owned by the City of Dubuque. It charges the Iowa Greyhound Association a lease of only $1 per year, a common lease agreement for non-profits, but that lease ends at the end of the 2019 season. At that point, the lease will need re-negotiation.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 1:27 pm
And that either doesn’t mean the handle didn’t increase 2 million dollars, my what distorters you people are
Craig Laginess
November 5, 2018 at 9:33 pm
Sports stadiums are also financed at the expense of the taxpayers. The Detroit Red Wings leased Joe Louis Arena from the city of Detroit for $1 per year. There is a tax on tickets for all 4 professional sports in Detroit to pay for the newer stadiums and areana. When handle grows so does the revenue. Simulcasting and internet betting have hurt live handle and revenue, but has helped promote the product overall.
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 1:04 pm
Here is a copy of the Dubuque track results as reported in June on KCRG (you are embarrassing yourself):
“…greyhound racetrack opened more than 30 years ago, formerly known as the Dubuque Greyhound Park, the racetrack brought in more than $41 million. Fast forward to 2017, that number has shrunk to just more than $7 million.
The Iowa Greyhound Association is a non-profit group that runs the only greyhound racetrack left in the entire state.
In recent years, the Iowa Greyhound Park has struggled to break even.”
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 1:17 pm
I talk to the general manager on a regular basis, and he knows far more about handle than you koolaid drinker, 30 years ago there was no ADW money either, that’s another lie your side perpetrates
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 1:21 pm
Proven liar atheist Fred, none of that means the handle didn’t go up 2 million dollars, yet again you are distorting the facts, you’re the liar, not me, right all May deaths were racing related ?
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 1:28 pm
Andy, I do not know why you bring someone’s religion or lack thereof into it.
I have already proven to you that you are lying because your buddy is lying to you! The State of Iowa does not lie regarding their subsidies and agreements. This is public information widely available – not info from your chats with a hack.
Florida will no go along with backroom agreements like this as both the candidates running support 13. publicly. directly. openly.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 1:34 pm
Wrong again cult member, DeSantis is against 13. You have proven nothing, but I can sure prove Grey2k engages in blackmail and is aligned with a terrorist group. Maybe you will answer a question Fred never would, Has NRA or Nascar, or AKC ever been involved in criminality? No, but grey2k and HSUS sure have
Jane
November 5, 2018 at 2:02 pm
Andy, I have never spoken to, been to the website of, been on the facebook page of this Grey2K you keep demeaning. TRUTH and facts. (and that is something you have little concept of). I copied and pasted for you information from analytical investigations from your local news over the past 2 years. The Iowa track is dying, the other one in the state died a few years ago. Once the many millions in subsidies stop to the breeding farms and the actual track, they will fold quicker than a card house during one of your thunderstorms. These people are lining their pockets with money that would have gone to other enterprises, investors and the state. You are just a bored tool who insults people’s weight and religion. Get something better to do than riding a dying horse and yelling at people along the way.
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 2:16 pm
What you are is a liar, I don’t believe for one minute you aren’t a fan of grey2k, after all your group are documented liars and blackmailers. All I said was Iowa handle was up 2 million over last year, that is TRUE. Sanford Orlando makes a good profit without card rooms. ADW money plus live handle is basically unchanged from 5 years ago at Derby Lane. You liars never mention ADW money.
Also, you lied about both candidates being on the YES side, Desantis rightly says it doesn’t belong in the constitution, and he is right.
I’m hardly bored, I work 12-14 hours a day 6 days a week, but if you think I’m going to sit back and let criminals slander my way of life you are sadly mistaken. You people are vile, despicable. You have probably never been to a track or kennel in your life, like all the rest. WE are the dealers in truth and facts. Google ” grey2k blackmail” see what you find.
All that crap about land lease and all that garbage does NOT mean handle didn’t increase by 2 million dollars
Andy
November 6, 2018 at 8:26 am
Finally vote day, notice how no response from proven liar fred or his liar in crime jane concerning the lie they told concerning iowa handle. A regular tactic of theirs, lie and then once they are proven to lie don’t mention it again, exactly what proven liar fred did concerning may deaths being racing related.
Even proven liar fred’s students speak horribly about him, says he thinks he knows everything and when he is wrong puts it on them, one decribes him as ” a total dick “, truer words were never spoken.
Etheridge McCloud
November 5, 2018 at 2:23 pm
Sometimes animals that are used for man’s purposes get hurt. Police dogs are put in harm’s way, yet there’s no amendment to stop them from being used this way. So long as there are reasonable safeguards and protections for greyhounds that race, then their owners should be able to let them race. Regulation and oversight? Yes. Banning the activity altogether? No. Animals are animals. If they’re good to eat, we should be allowed to eat them. If they have soft coats, we should be allowed to pet them. If they run fast, we should be allowed to bet on them. I voted no, and I’ll probably go to the track Wednesday and bet a few quinielas to celebrate.
Lucy
November 5, 2018 at 2:49 pm
@mccloud, count me in. I’ll be there as well come Wednesday. heck, why wait til Wednesday? I’ll be there Tuesday night for simulcasting and celebration !! Let the dogs run !! that’s what they do the bestest !!
Jeff White
November 5, 2018 at 2:49 pm
As the hysterical, foul-mouthed, and slanderous comments from the racing industry toadies indicate, they are in full panic mode at the realization that the majority of the voters in Florida want their disgusting, money-losing, animal-abusing industry to be consigned to the garbage can of history. Even if the YES vote doesn’t quite reach 60%, they know the politicians on both sides of the legislature are taking note of the vote. And a new legislative session is coming up soon!
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 3:19 pm
Slanderous, that’s funny coming from a supporter of blackmailers and racketeers who have slandered our side for years, calling one guy a cokehead and a white supremacist. You aren’t even going to get close to 60 liar.
Funny how all along it has been WHEN we win but now it is IF, why no mention of the 70% lie anymore? No mention of grey2k blackmail or ALF either.
If 3 passes legislators can do NOTHING pal, and all they can do if it doesn’t is decouple which will still leave 5 tracks, but as you already know decoupling not so easy either. Sure is funny you crooks already almost admitting defeat and talking about the next legislative session, many of the yes voters were duped by your deceptive stolen footage advertising. Every day that passes more people learn the TRUTH, maybe you will answer the question of why, if we are the crooked side NRA NASCAR or AKC has never been implicated in CRIMES, where grey2k and HSUS HAS, not to mention being aligned with TERRORISTS
Jane
November 6, 2018 at 8:47 pm
Andy….go lick your wounds. You lost BIG TIME. Not even close. Nearly every sentence you posted was utter nonsense or outright lies. Sadly – you actually believe yourself. But, I guess you deserve your fate – so filled with insults and anger. If ANYONE ever deserved the comment “get a life” it is you.
buh bye
Pete Temple
November 5, 2018 at 4:30 pm
A few comments from an Iowan:
–I’ve been a fan of Iowa greyhound racing for many years, and know the situation well. The casino that owned the Iowa track in Dubuque made no effort to promote the races; it simply wanted out. It’s true that the casino had to agree to subsidize racing for a few years in order to get out. It’s also true that the Iowa Greyhound Association, which now owns the track, will have to support itself in the coming years. But the IGA is making every effort to promote the sport and create a sustainable business model (fewer race dates, post times that work better with simulcasting, etc.), and I wouldn’t bet against it.
–I remain stunned by how little concern is being shown on the “yes” side about the thousands of people who will lose their jobs if the amendment passes.
–Obviously, what happens in Florida with Amendment 13 could affect what happens in Iowa down the road. Just as obviously, I’m biased. But I hope I get to celebrate (distantly) with Etheridge and Lucy after tomorrow’s vote!
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 4:40 pm
They could not care less because all they care about is their own crooked agenda, that and continuing to fleece their donors, criminals like them care not one whit about the destruction they leave in their wake, look at Massachusetts as example A
Jane
November 6, 2018 at 8:56 pm
Pete, I traveled to Iowa frequently before retirement and like that little track. I really doubt it will be able to develop a sustainable business model where it can pay its employees. I used to meet with your governor before he left for China (why is so damn hard to park near the statehouse?). Both Branstad and Reynolds were not even sure where there was a dog track in the state – they heard about it, not much more. Just a guess, but I expect that track to close in 3 – 5 years max. Congrats on China be able to buy IA beef (likely without tariffs).
Andy
November 5, 2018 at 8:52 pm
Iowa just posted their live and export handle for this year, up over 2 million just like I said, and you fraudsters called me a liar, the lies are, and always have been on your side, proven liar fred and liar jane. All that other bullshit has nothing to do with handle
Brian
November 6, 2018 at 10:41 am
Vote no on amendment 13.
Fred Barton
November 6, 2018 at 11:09 am
Actually, I was reading Jane’s comments and they seemed to compare with the numbers I had been seeing in state reports so I didn’t feel the need to repeat what she had said.
Andy
November 6, 2018 at 11:39 am
You didn’t feel the need to retract your lie about me lying about Iowa handle up 2 million over last year when you once again resorted to distortion of the facts.
Fred Barton
November 6, 2018 at 1:07 pm
I don’t recall ever saying you were a liar. Besides, liar seems to be your preferred epithet.
Andy
November 6, 2018 at 3:05 pm
I stand corrected, it is your fellow liar jane who said I was lying, as you can see above. I only call someone a liar when they have been proven to lie, like you with the May deaths being racing related, like Dorchak with the court documents and solicitation video, like stiel saying permits can’t be moved, I could go on but no doubt you get the picture
Jane
November 6, 2018 at 9:34 pm
Hey Andy – try reading with comprehension. I showed the handle from years ago and from last year. And I also showed the profits (NONE).
Fred Barton
November 8, 2018 at 7:38 am
Understandable. Just so you know we’re willing to help. For the record–and you may already know this–the same thing happened after Massachusetts and Arizona. We offered help but were turned away. I’m hopeful, once feelings settle, we can work together to give the dogs, and the people a new lives after racing.
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