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Going to the dogs: Anti-greyhound racing group says lawsuit against ban ‘will be rejected’

“No property is taken under Amendment 13.”

One of the lead backers of last year’s successful state constitutional amendment to ban greyhound racing has told legislative leaders that a lawsuit against the measure is “dubious” and “frivolous.”

Carey Theil, executive director of GREY2K USA Worldwide, which aims to permanently end dog racing, sent a letter Monday to state Rep. David Santiago, chair of the House Gaming Control Subcommittee, and state Sen. Wilton Simpson, who chairs the Senate Committee on Innovation, Industry and Technology, which oversees gambling issues.

Theil was responding to the recent filing of a lawsuit by a Pinellas County greyhound-kennel owner, who claims what became Amendment 13 is an unconstitutional taking of property because it made his dogs worthless. In constitutional-law parlance, a taking is when government “uses, regulates, (or) seizes private property” and doesn’t pay for it.

“We believe this lawsuit is without merit and will be rejected,” Theil wrote. “As you know, no property is taken under Amendment 13, and (it) simply phases out an activity that voters have found to be cruel and inhumane.”

A similar claim was brought in Massachusetts in 2011, he added, resulting in a ruling against a kennel owner. A judge found that the owner “could have no reasonable investment-backed expectations in its greyhound kennel business” because “it operates in the highly-regulated gaming industry.”

“Rather than to obstruct adoption efforts and file frivolous lawsuits, the industry would be better served working to ensure there is a successful transition for every track worker and every greyhound,” Theil told the lawmakers.

Amendment 13, passed with 69 percent ‘yes’ votes in November, specifically outlaws placing bets on greyhound and other dog races, such as at the state’s pari-mutuels, effective Jan. 1, 2021.

The amendment was placed on the ballot by the 2017-18 Constitution Revision Commission (CRC), as opposed to a citizen initiative or by the Legislature. It was championed by then-Attorney General Pam Bondi, who also sat on the commission and regularly brought shelter dogs to state Cabinet meetings to get them adopted.

Since Amendment 13 was passed, many tracks already have stopped racing; the measure allows other gambling at tracks, such as card games, to continue even after dog racing ends. In his letter, Theil says “four racetracks (Sarasota, Pensacola, Melbourne and Mardi Gras) have ended live racing, while seven remain operational.”

Moreover, of those, “Ebro Greyhound Park will cease racing on Sept. 28 … (and) Naples Ft. Myers Greyhound Track indicated in its official state license application that it will cease racing on May 2, 2020.”

And the “general manager of Sanford Orlando Kennel Club recently suggested the facility may end (racing) before the final date of December 31, 2020.”

The good news for dogs, Theil said, is that “breeding was greatly reduced in the months leading up” to last November’s vote, meaning fewer dogs to worry about finding people to adopt them.

Even there, he added, “every greyhound adoption group that spoke out about animal welfare problems has been ostracized … The politicization of adoption is dangerous, especially at a time when we should be setting aside our differences and working together to ensure that every dog receives a loving home.”

Last year, in response to a ‘taking’ argument, the lawyer that successfully represented a pig farmer who sued over the state’s 2002 ‘pregnant pig’ constitutional amendment said Amendment 13 was legally sound.

Broad & Cassel attorney M. Stephen Turner, who represented Florida pig farmer Stephen Basford, wrote an opinion letter for GREY2K.

In contrast to outlawing the confining of pregnant pigs in such a way that “prevent(s them) from turning around freely,” Turner said “gambling on dog races is a nuisance at common law, and a constitutional amendment reverting that activity to illegal status would not cause taking of property … Its prohibition is well within (the state’s) police power.”

Another lawsuit announced this summer is reportedly in the offing by a pro-greyhound racing group to “overturn” the constitutional amendment effectively banning dog racing in Florida.

Jennifer Newcome, who was chair of the Committee to Support Greyhounds, has said she is readying a federal lawsuit on behalf of the offshoot “Support Working Animals” organization, online as Overturn13.org.

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Jim Rosica is the Tallahassee-based Senior Editor for Florida Politics. He previously was the Tampa Tribune’s statehouse reporter. Before that, he covered three legislative sessions in Florida for The Associated Press. Jim graduated from law school in 2009 after spending nearly a decade covering courts for the Tallahassee Democrat, including reporting on the 2000 presidential recount. He can be reached at jim@floridapolitics.com.

40 Comments

40 Comments

  1. Steve Grabarczyk

    August 12, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    Hey Carey, let people do what they want and file what they want. You do not live here, own property here, or pay taxes here. So just bow out, STFU and let the legal process decide. After all thats what this country is about, not what you or your ambulance chasing lawyers opine. The proverbial S%%$ is gonna hit the fan when you and your sham organization is exposed. The Florida people voted based on a $3 million plus campaign of BS and lies which will not be exposed in the FGA suit but WILL in the Federal suit by SWA. Win or lose you or your will not be able to lie to a Federal Judge. The house of cards comes down soon.

    • gary

      August 13, 2019 at 1:37 am

      Keep the pups running!

      • Willard

        August 16, 2019 at 7:13 pm

        Keep greyhounds running as pets only from day one, not according to your schedule for your profit.

  2. Overturn13

    August 12, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    I still don’t see why Grey2K is being afforded a soap box to stand on in regards to the legal filings. They did what they set out to do, be it through dishonest and disingenuous propaganda that they spent $3million spreading. They were long gone the day after the vote. Who gives flying fig what they have to say?

    • Willard

      August 16, 2019 at 7:16 pm

      I will tell you who cares:69.7% of the population of Florida who saw right through YOUR lies over the years.
      You already lost, and you know it. Stop wasting donor’s money

  3. Marie

    August 12, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    Seems like the lobbying group is losing control over the conversation and the outcome. Aren’t they satisfied and confident in the damage and destruction they have set into motion in the state of Florida? This letter paints a picture of uncertainty & fear on their part. Not to mention the false danger they are desperately trying to paint around adoption groups. As racers leave racing, they continue to move to responsible adoption groups as before; not one ex-racer has fallen thru the cracks and none will. This lobbying group is seeking to control the adoption efforts and the money and to make themselves important, as saviors that they are not. There is no crisis surrounding adoption efforts, just more fake news & hysteria.

    • E Peters

      August 14, 2019 at 4:54 pm

      I think this is another lie that is being repeated by the Pro Racing people. I don’t think Carey Theil opposed the safety act. Below is a note from Kevin Rader thanking Carey for his support for his bill.

      https://grey2kusa.org/pdf/Rep.%20Rader%20Version1.pdf

      Aside from that I’d guess Carey only opposed the line in the safety act which allowed for traces of cocaine to be allowed in racing dogs. The bill Carey likely preferred did not mention cocaine but also included injury reporting.

      With regards to anti racing groups purposely not recording adoptions sounds longer just another baseless lie. Why should it be up to them at all to manage adoption rates? Why shouldn’t be done by the owner of the dogs as they should be playing a hand in who is getting adopted and where? And it could be verified by a third party so nobody could lie.

      • Marie

        August 14, 2019 at 5:51 pm

        Your reply which is copied and pasted is not relevant to my comment. But when does your coalition ever think thru an entire concept before responding, like writing Amendment 13 and preaching cruelty but then approving Floridians to bet on out of state races.

        • E Peters

          August 15, 2019 at 6:28 am

          Marie, Why would you assume I’m part of a “coalition?” Again drawing conclusions based on ‘feelings’ not facts. I’m just a dog a lover who has enough sense to do my own research so I don’t repeat lies. I showed you proof of your untrue accusation that Carey supposedly opposed the safety act and its nothing nothing more than a repeated lie and you still turn around and blindly support the lie. You haven’t shown any prove that he was against safety measures. I’m sure I can find proof that he was against allowable amounts of cocaine in racing dogs. In fact there were other safety related bills that he supported in Florida and other states. He’s been fairly consistent with his stance.
          You never answered why representatives in the greyhound sport tried to stop injury reporting and deaths from being mandatory. Why people who supposedly love their dogs don’t want those numbers to be tracked or public.
          There’s also some prominent owners who have recently sent 6 dogs to China for breeding when racing isn’t even legal, never mind regulated. That’s just how far their love goes in some cases. The NGA just had a knee jerk reaction putting in a new rule to try and stop this AFTER it was published in the media. The sad thing is, it’s been going on for years and will continue as long as commercial racing is allowed.

  4. Not an ambulance chaser

    August 12, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    May want to read this “empty rhetoric” Carey and the liar Dorchak too::::

    In contrast, a regulation restricting the use of property to further legitimate public ends, will not be considered a taking merely because it impairs the value or the utility of that land. However, when the regulation goes too far (as Justice Holmes put it in Pennsylvania Coal Co. v. Mahon), it will be judicially recognized as the equivalent of a taking which may not take place without payment of just compensation to the property’s owner.

    I would think lying and paying off CRC politicians would qualify as “too far”

  5. Tom

    August 12, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    Theil and his husband train wreck Christine must be worried to have to send a letter, They better start hitting people up for donations

  6. Bubpup

    August 12, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    Theil STILL doesn’t understand that 13 outlawed BETTING on races only inside of Florida. Yet the lawyer who wrote the opinion piece for Gret2terrorists notes it in His first sentence.

  7. Brian O'Gorman

    August 12, 2019 at 11:17 pm

    I boycott everything I know to be from Florida after this amendment passage, including especially citrus and other agricultural products. Their horse racing activities are next in line, except for polo a favorite of sobbing Sonia.

  8. Pro animal society USA

    August 12, 2019 at 11:41 pm

    Grey 2 k and carry Theil are a vegan terrorist organization similar to animal liberation front … peta and so forth the animal enterprise terrorism act should have taken care of the vegan nut jobs years ago … now they are harassing our livestock farmers .. stealing animals … telling us what to eat … trying to ban horse racing … zoos , sea world … vegans are no friends of animals because they want to get rid of all enterprises that advocate and take care of animals … Florida was scammed by the hsus and animal rights organizations … and the public needs to wake up … !!!

  9. John Parker

    August 13, 2019 at 12:29 am

    “The politicization of adoption is dangerous, especially at a time when we should be setting aside our differences and working together to ensure that every dog receives a loving home.”

    Good ole Carey. There is no lie you will not tell, no mis-impression you won’t try to leave.
    Carey, old sport, we are at 100% adoption, and even the adoption groups which support the continuation of Greyhound racing can’t get enough adoptable Greyhounds to fill all their approved applications. So you see, there is no need to “set aside our differences” or “work together” with adoption groups which have advocated for the destruction of the very thing — professional Greyhound racing — which has kept the Greyhound breed vibrant in its genetic diversity, its athletic excellence and its wonderful companionability as a pet, in order to see that every Greyhound receives a loving home. In short, we don’t need you or your false propaganda-spreading allies in adoption to provide every former racing Greyhound with a home. So may we respectfully suggest that you folks “sod off,” and let us in Greyhound adoption who really care about the longterm best interests of the Greyhound breed handle it — we have it well covered, thank you.

    John Parker
    Greyhound Adopters for Racing
    https://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com/

    • Carey Theil

      August 14, 2019 at 10:52 am

      “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”

    • Patricia

      August 14, 2019 at 11:55 am

      Our adoption network is strong and thriving. Owners have the right to assign where their racers go. Groups are called up as they have racers assigned to them. Grey$K is creating a hysteria because the groups that they support are not receiving racers.
      As breedings have decreased so has the need for adoption groups. Some adoption groups may find it more productive to disband or seek out other animals to help. As G2K feels peaceful about disbanding a legitimate business they should carry that same peaceful and encourage their groups to move on to other endeavors.

    • E Peters

      August 14, 2019 at 1:22 pm

      John, I’m not sure I understand your comment. You think Carey is lying about greyhound adoption being politicized? It definitely is being politicized by Pro Racing folks by wanting dogs to only go to groups and people who are for racing. How is that a lie? If you don’t allow people who are against racing have dogs, (as the majority of people clearly are against racing), there won’t be enough homes.
      Also where is the 100% adoption rate published and tracked? I think that’s a made up number as those numbers have never been public or confirmed. The American Greyhound Council doesn’t even agree with that number. The greyhound representatives have historically fought publishing, deaths, injuries, births and adoption rates. One can only assume it’s because they have something to hide. So who is misleading the public again?

      • John Parker

        August 14, 2019 at 1:48 pm

        Yes, “E Peters,” Carey is lying about Greyhound adoption being “politicized.” As Vice President of Greyhound Adopters for Racing, a grass-roots organization started by Greyhound adopters with no input or other ties to professional Greyhound racing, I can tell you that support for the continuation of Greyhound racing in the Greyhound adoption community has been widespread for years, and it’s because so many adopters and adoption volunteers have learned that (1) they were lied to by the anti-racing advocates about the lives of racing Greyhounds and (2) the continuation of Greyhound racing is in the best longterm interests of the Greyhound breed to preserve its genetic diversity, athletic excellence and splendid companionability as pets. We supported the continuation of Greyhound racing long before Amendment 13 came along, and our public campaign to inform the public truthfully about Greyhound racing and expose the fundamental dishonesty of the anti-racing groups like Carey’s and others was our own decision to undertake — no one “politicized” the Greyhound adoption community.
        The adoption rate is not published or tracked. But when even the many adoption groups which support the continuation of Greyhound racing can’t get enough former racers to fill their approved applications, it doesn’t take a genius — or published numbers — to understand that we are at 100% adoption and then some. Simple supply and demand.
        The “greyhound representatives” (whoever they are) have never “fought” publishing adoption rates. They just haven’t kept them because of the difficulty in doing so owing to the disparate nature of the Greyhound adoption community — professional racing couldn’t force adoption groups, most of which operate independently of racing, to report adoption numbers, so there would always be incomplete reporting — which you anti folks would no doubt love and exploit at every opportunity. So don’t make assumptions of things about which you have little or no knowledge. Everybody who works in Greyhound adoption and doesn’t have an anti-racing agenda knows full well that we are at 100% adoption and that no Greyhounds in American racing are being put down for lack of a pet home — thanks to the many adoption groups which support the continuation of Greyhound racing. So you see, we don’t need the help of Carey or any other anti-racing advocate to find every racing Greyhound a pet home. We would prefer that you antis just say “thank you” to us and then be on your way to your next extremist animal rights cause.

        John Parker
        Greyhound Adopters for Racing
        http://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com

        • E Peters

          August 14, 2019 at 3:03 pm

          John, your reply just clearly proved my point. You mentioned your group Greyhound Adopters for Racing for which Jennifer Ng, is the President. It states right on your page that she formerly owned race dogs. How is it exactly your group has no ties to the racing industry when one of its leaders has owned racing dogs? Her fb has lots of recent pictures of greyhound puppies too which resembles pictures an ‘insider’ would have.
          Next point. Again you touted the 100% adoption rate after clearly mentioning this number is not tracked or published. So your stats are just based on ‘feelings’. Interesting but doesn’t really prove anything.
          You’re accusing Carey of lying when your own statistic is baseless. So who is lying again?
          It seems all the people attacking Carey really can’t do so without name calling and false accusations. He gets accused of lying but not one person has offered up any valid proof on anything he is supposedly lying about. You’re one of the more reasonable people here but even your numbers are based on ‘feelings’ and not facts.
          You never answered why industry representatives fought having injuries and deaths reported. Tracking adoptions would be easy as there just needs to be a database set up which greyhounds owners must update. It shouldn’t be harder than tracking race statistics and lineage which is all tracked and published today.

          • Grey2Klies

            August 14, 2019 at 4:16 pm

            It’s quite common knowledge that anti racing groups who used to receive retired racers would not only NOT share the racing names of retirees placed in their groups, making them untraceable, but have also refused to update the status of the dog, therefor rendering these dogs “missing” which suits the Grey2K agenda to a “T”.
            I think the more pertinent question is why did Grey2K venemously OPPOSE The Rader/Smith Safety Act proposed in the Legislature on numerous occasions? Not only did the Safety Act provide for safer racing conditions, but also afforded the injury reporting that Grey2K has been foaming at the mouth for for years?
            It’s clear to see based on that, that the greyhound owners and trainers sought to lessen the injury rate, while Grey2K only sought the proof of injury occurances. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see who is genuine in their requests. Not to mention that long time G2K supporter Senator Sachs “toured” several tracks, concluding that they are “perfectly safe.” So which is it?
            Why would a group who is supposedly “speaking up for greyhounds” OPPPSE a measure to update safety protocol, while clamouring to grt their filthy hands on injury reports?

          • E Peters

            August 14, 2019 at 4:53 pm

            I think this is another lie that is being repeated by the Pro Racing people. I don’t think Carey Theil opposed the safety act. Below is a note from Kevin Rader thanking Carey for his support for his bill.

            https://grey2kusa.org/pdf/Rep.%20Rader%20Version1.pdf

            Aside from that I’d guess Carey only opposed the line in the safety act which allowed for traces of cocaine to be allowed in racing dogs. The bill Carey likely preferred did not mention cocaine but also included injury reporting.

            With regards to anti racing groups purposely not recording adoptions sounds longer just another baseless lie. Why should it be up to them at all to manage adoption rates? Why shouldn’t be done by the owner of the dogs as they should be playing a hand in who is getting adopted and where? And it could be verified by a third party so nobody could lie.

          • John Parker

            August 14, 2019 at 11:57 pm

            E. Peters, in addition to not using your full name, you seem to know almost nothing about Greyhound adoption. Are you a Greyhound adopter, or a Greyhound adoption volunteer? If so, for how long ? How about some transparency on the subject on your part?
            I said that Greyhound Adopters for Racing as an organization has no input or other ties to Greyhound racing. That means Greyhound racing didn’t start our organization, didn’t ask us to start it, has never funded it in any way, and we take no direction or other cues from Greyhound racing. In other words, we are completely independent from Greyhound racing –unlike Carey’s organization, which gets much of its funding and takes its marching order from extremist animal rights groups like the poorly-rated HSUS.
            Our President, Jennifer Ng, is a small animal veterinarian and Greyhound adoption volunteer in South Carolina. Like a growing number of Greyhound adopters and adoption volunteers, Jennifer has, as a hobby, owned or co-owned (with other adoption volunteers) active racers, all of whom have come home to live with her or her co-owners at the end of their careers. She doesn’t make her living from owning active racers, and certainly takes no direction from professional racing in any of her adoption activities or support for the continuation of racing. Spend some time reading what she writes on “her fb” and you’ll see that soon enough.
            And if you think having photos of Greyhound puppies on one’s “fb” makes one a “racing industry insider,” you really are out of touch. Lots of Greyhound adopters acquire Greyhound puppies when they become available through an adoption group, or they purchase them from hobbyist breeders. You’ll find photos of Greyhound puppies all over the place on Facebook, and they weren’t posted by “racing industry insiders.” Good grief — that’s about the dumbest thing I’ve read anyone say on the subject of Greyhounds this year.
            My statements about our being at 100 % adoption in the U.S. are based on neither “published numbers” nor “feelings” They are based on working in Greyhound adoption and being in touch with other Greyhound adoption groups through social media, attending Greyhound adoption conferences, and generally networking with other adoption groups to compare notes on the availability of adoptable Greyhounds. You’d know all this if you had a smidgen of experience working in Greyhound adoption. But don’t take my word for it — go on any Greyhound-related group on Facebook or other social media and post a question about whether adoption groups around the country are experiencing difficulties getting enough former racers to fill their approved applications. Or ask if anyone knows of any Greyhounds who have been put down for lack of a pet home in, say, the last 5 years.The shortage of available former racers for adoption is an objectively observable fact easily verifiable with minimal research, and “published stats” would not make it more or less so. Or, since you seem to be maintaining that we aren’t at 100% adoption — with apparently no experience actually working in Greyhound adoption — I suggest you put up or shut up — name a former racing Greyhound in the U.S. who has been euthanized in the last 5 years because no pet home could be found for it.
            As for the racing industry keeping and publishing statistics on racing injuries and deaths, that would be optimal, but of course the fundamental dishonesty of Carey and his anti-racing cohorts have been a major impediment to such an initiative. The racing community knows full well, based on the track record of Carey and his organization for dishonest advocacy, that any statistic it keeps, no matter how accurate and thorough, would be spun, taken out of context, and incompletely used by the anti-racing organizations, just as they did with the reported instances of trace amounts of cocaine found in the urine of a minuscule percentage of racing Greyhounds tested. It’s what Carey and his cohorts always do — they try to leave the impression that the exceptional in Greyhound racing is the typical. And in my lexicon, that’s lying. So the racing industry has resisted keeping and publishing injury statistics out of fear that your anti friends would just use it dishonestly to paint an inaccurate image of racing.
            So let me state it again — Carey is lying when he says that the Greyhound adoption community has been “politicized.” It has not been “politicized.” It continues to serve the interests of racing Greyhounds and the Greyhound breed, as it always has and ever will. Carey and his anti cohorts just can’t aide the fact that the great majority of Greyhound adoption groups support the continuation of Greyhound racing, and since we don’t make our living from Greyhound racing and are focused 100% on Greyhound welfare, we represent the unanswerable argument for racing that the anti-racing forces have only lies and mis-characterizations with which to counter us.
            Looking forward to your answers to my questions about your real full name and your experience in Greyhound adoption.

            John Parker
            Greyhound Adopters for Racing
            http://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com

        • E Peters

          August 15, 2019 at 6:36 am

          John, my response showed up under Marie’s post for some reason. They were meant for you. Her comments originally showed under mine. Could be because I’m replying from a phone opposed to a desktop.

        • E Peters

          August 15, 2019 at 9:57 am

          John, How does publishing my full name or affiliation with the racing community have anything to do with the points I’m making? When you try to make a debate personal, you are basically admitting defeat. Why can’t you just debate the points I made without trying to attack me personally? I will address each of your points based on what you’ve said here.
          Yes, Jennifer Ng is a vet who also OWNS or has OWNED race dogs. As well she is President of your group Greyhound Adopters for Racing. Tell me again how the president of your group who has owned race dogs in your group as no ties to racing? Regardless of whether or not you got funding from her or anyone else involved in racing isn’t the only way you can have ties to the racing industry. I’d say someone who has owned dogs is an ‘insider’ and clearly has ties to greyhound racing. You can’t really talk around that, (although I see you are trying hard). I just mentioned her relationship (as displayed on her page) with greyhound racing puppies, to make another point that she clearly has some ‘ties’. I don’t think there’s anything dumb about that comment.
          To your point about 100% adoption rate based on nothing but your opinion again, does not prove any facts. Like you said, it’s not based on tracked or published records. It’s like saying ‘I work in a blood donor clinic and all the blood donor volunteers all donate blood. In fact, every one I know who works at blood donor clinics can attest to the fact that all blood donors that come in their clinic all donate blood. From that I can say that all people donate blood because anyone who has come into my clinic voluntarily has. You replace that analogy with greyhound race dogs and you have no argument. You can’t attest to all greyhound race dogs that didn’t come into adoption groups can you? There isn’t anyone monitoring births, deaths and adoptions tracing a race dog through his life. Only registered dogs are somewhat tracked in terms of lineage and number of races, but conveniently aren’t tracked when it comes to adoptions. On one hand you say you have ‘no ties’ and on the other you say you can confidently boast a 100% adoption rate for numbers you have no access to. You can’t have it both ways. It’s just based on ‘feelings’. You simply can’t say no dog has been euthanized by their owners simply because you ‘haven’t heard of it’. This is exactly why Carey Theil has been pushing to have these numbers published for years. And there must be something to hide for the greyhound reps to want to keep these numbers quiet or why wouldn’t they just publish them? Talk about lack of transparency. Published stats, like the injury reports and death reports that exist in some places, make it so nobody can argue based on their ‘feelings’.

          You can blame ‘extremists’ all you want, but the majority of people who are against racing are not extremists. In fact there are a lot of adoption groups and adopters and just regular people who are against racing. If I were to go off my ‘feelings’ I can easily say that I know WAY more greyhound adopters against racing than for it. I even know volunteers in PR and neutral adoption groups who are strongly opposed to racing but choose to keep quiet for the sake of the dogs. It’s very political. You can’t say anything against racing or you won’t get dogs. You can’t even use the word ‘rescue’. I know people in your group who are opposed to neutral groups getting dogs because they didn’t fight hard enough against A13. Some of these neutral groups have been adopting out dogs for over 25 years. Is this not politicizing dog adoption? So I think the dogs are being used as pawns rather than just letting them find good homes with experienced adoption groups. PR people want to control over who is allowed to adopt. It doesn’t help the cause in the public eye at all. It just looks like sour grapes and that egos are getting in the way of dogs being adopted. So where is Carey lying again? Peoples stance on racing IS determining who is allowed to adopt. What would be politicizing dog adoption in your eyes?
          On the other hand, I do believe the adoption rates in the US are better than in the UK and Ireland, but that doesn’t make racing dogs for money in my eyes, OK. Even if the adoption rate was 100%, like you believe, it still doesn’t make it right. There will always be dogs sold for top dollar without regard for animal welfare, like the 6 US dogs that just went to China recently. Some were sent over by prominent greyhound owners. The NGA only put in rules as a reactive measure AFTER these dogs were publicized in the news and social media. The NGA is notoriously reactive and hasn’t been able to properly regulate, monitor the animal‘s welfare within the greyhound industry. Something similar happened with sending dogs to blood donor clinics. Nothing is done proactively. In fact adoption groups are a relatively new phenomenon in an industry that’s been around 100 years or so. They too came about because of public outcry and not because the owners actually decided they suddenly care about the fate of their dogs after they are done racing. GPA was only established in 1987 a good 50+ years after racing started and adoption only really took off in the last 25 years in the US. What makes the greyhound owners look worse is that they often hand over unvetted dogs to adoption groups to rehome. Why should a charity have to pay to spay/neuter, foster, transport, administer flea and deworm treatments as well as expensive teeth cleaning all at the expense of donors? It’s all bad public PR and it’s not based on lies at all.
          With regards to acceptable amounts of cocaine being found in dogs urine is still up for debate. There haven’t been any medical public studies on the effects of racing dogs and only ONE that I’ve seen was with regards to race horses. You can’t speak to what a trace amount is as you are not a doctor or someone who has studied this closely. Let the studies be done and let experts weigh in instead of your feelings. It’s preposterous that this would be down played in any way and should be analyzed before anyone can speak one way or another.

          • John Parker

            August 15, 2019 at 10:44 pm

            “E,” I’m not attacking you nor am I asking you to disclose your “relationship with the racing industry.” I’ve only asked you to do what I have done, which is to disclose your real, full name and disclose your experience as an adopter or a Greyhound adoption volunteer. As I stated in a previous comment, you write as if you have little or no experience in Greyhound adoption. I simply was asking you to disclose what if any such experience you have had, so that we could have an honest and transparent discussion about the fact that here in the USA, the Greyhound adoption community is at 100% adoption, with widespread shortages of adoptable Greyhounds and long waiting lists to adopt a former racers. This is relevant to the fact that Carey Theil is lying about the need for the racing community and that majority of adoption groups who support the continuation of racing to “work together with” and “set aside our differences with” the minority of adoption groups who wish to destroy Greyhound racing, in order to see that every former racer gets a home. The reason that that isn’t necessary — and Carey knows this — is that the pro-racing adoption groups are already seeing to it that every former racer gets a home, such that there is no need to “work with” those groups which would destroy the very institution which is instrumental in maintaining the genetic diversity, athletic excellence and fine qualities as pets of the Greyhound breed.
            Your refusal to state your full real name and disclose your experience in the work of Greyhound adoption, while mindlessly repeating the same empty rhetoric, gives you all the hallmarks of an anonymous troll. I can’t imagine why I’d want to spend any further time debating the matter with someone who won’t disclose the simple Greyhound-related facts that I’ve disclosed. You have yourself a nice day.

            John Parker
            Greyhound Adopters for Racing
            http://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com

          • E Peters

            August 16, 2019 at 5:55 pm

            John, I’ve been working with greyhounds for many years now. Probably around 20+. I have seen a lot change for the better but that doesn’t make it OK to raise dogs for racing. I don’t want to give you my name as I see what happens on your page and I’m sure many private pro racing pages are probably even worse. I see your group post anti racing people’s names and pictures so everyone in your group knows who they are and can attack them. There have been plenty of anti-racing people’s names and pictures dragged through the mud along with their rescue group’s names so that these groups can no longer adopt out dogs. We have to remain anonymous if we want to help dogs, but we make sure our voices are still heard loud in clear when it matters. I don’t want to give you my name as that will compromise my group and/or any of my affiliations from getting dogs. Yes there are enough groups to adopt out the dogs but as I said, there are lots of AR people helping them. I remember what it was like when there weren’t enough groups. It was pretty bad and dogs suffered a lot. If we ever went back to having 50+ dog tracks in the US like many PR people want, there would not be enough homes. Ireland, Australia and the UK are where the US was 20 years ago and many of those wonderful dogs don’t find homes. It’s very ignorant to think that that is ancient history in the US as it wasn’t that long ago and the only reason it’s gotten better is that there are far fewer tracks. And this is thanks to the AR groups.
            Now you can go and believe that I don’t know what I’m talking about, but that’s Ok by me. I don’t need your approval and find it weird that you need to know my name to argue any of my points. You keep saying that I don’t know what I’m talking about because it is not in line with the people you surround yourself with. It’s rather odd to think that if everyone looked at the same situation, they would all come to the same conclusion. That’s not how it is when it comes to racing, the law or how the world works. I have a lot more experience than most of the young people who are now on the pro racing bandwagon. You are fooling yourself if you believe that there aren’t any anti racing people who work with adoption and closely with the tracks. I know a lot personally and we are still getting dogs and choose to keep their opinions to ourselves publicly. It’s for the sake of the dogs. The dogs currently coming in from Florida have not been in very good shape. They have been underweight, with worms, fleas and very bad teeth. Heartworm has been a huge problem and cost our rescue a lot of money. Think about it, a rescue group has to subsidize the cost of vetting and finding dogs homes, while hiding their true beliefs about racing so they don’t ‘offend’ anyone who is making a living out of exploiting these dogs. It’s what many of us have been doing for years, while still fighting the fight to end greyhound racing.
            You will notice that it is always the same 10-15 people on your page and many other racing pro racing sights who are outspoken about racing. I’d say the number is probably 10 times that on the other side that are against it. Tracks are closing all over the place and that’s because there are far more people against it than for it, even within the adoption community. You can blame HSUS and PETA all you want, but if they had the power you think they have, we wouldn’t have rodeos, puppy mills fox farms etc. The PR folks just surround themselves with likeminded people but forget there is a whole world out there with the opposite opinion when it comes to racing.

  10. Fred Barton

    August 13, 2019 at 11:55 am

    I believe this lawsuit comes under the heading of last gasp of a dying industry. Economically greyhound racing has been dead for years, subsisting on subsidies and handouts. The courts will be doing the industry a favor when they throw this suit out.

    • Grey2K Lies

      August 13, 2019 at 2:50 pm

      Seeing that you are NOT a Floridian, and will not be responsible for compensation, what do you even care? Seems that this is nothing more than Grey2K shills trying to save face, as things that the Yes on 13 proponents used as propaganda are coming to fruition. You continue to kill your own credibility. The people of Florida know that they were duped. There’s no amount of back tracking that can change that.

      • Fred Barton

        August 13, 2019 at 3:32 pm

        You know, every time we challenge the racing industry you respond by calling us names, changing the subject and clouding the issue. Then you proceed to lose. Are you beginning to see a connection here? The Florida Supreme Court and almost 70% of the voters in Florida saw the issue for what it was, animal exploitation and the cruelty that comes along with that. Your response is: everybody is dumb but us. It’s getting a little thin as a rational position don’t you think?

        • steve grabarczyk

          August 13, 2019 at 8:00 pm

          CORRECTION dumb ass Fred the FL SC court only ruled on the ballot language. They DID NOT rule on the Constitutionality of the Amendment. So you can stop your BS lies at any time, but you wont. You are just as big a tool as Carey. Spin all you like Freddy, it will be up to a judge and possibly the SCOTUS, and there is no lie you can tell, no info you can twist, and no picture or video you can steal to rig the outcome. Ask Carey about “the fix” as it relates to the CRC. You are smart enough to know (or maybe you are not?) that $3 mil and a bunch of lies and stolen video can buy an election. Since public opinion matters no more, I am going to say here what many feel. Fred, you are the biggest piece of human waste besides Carey. Spin that how you want with your empty circle jerk BS that you post without ever answering a question. Go ahead and keep being cavalier, but win or lose the federal suit, Carey and the rest of G2k will be exposed for the bottom dwelling lying trash that you ALL are.

          • Fred Barton

            August 13, 2019 at 9:03 pm

            Now why would they allow an unconstitutional question on the ballot? You make a distinction without a difference.

        • Guess Who???

          August 13, 2019 at 9:00 pm

          Fred we all know the true animal exploiters, it’s Grey2k, HSUS, ASPCA, PETA and other so-called animal rights organizations. The tax returns don’t lie and we all see how much truly goes towards the welfare of the animals. Give it up, you horses ass.

          • Fred Barton

            August 13, 2019 at 9:04 pm

            Thank you for helping me make my point.

    • Sabrina

      August 13, 2019 at 5:49 pm

      Hey Fred… the racing industry does not receive subsidies. The industry gets royalties. BIG DIFFERENCE!

      • Fred Barton

        August 13, 2019 at 9:07 pm

        Yeah. That’s why the casinos in Iowa were willing to spend millions of dollars to get out from under greyhound racing. That’s why there’s a fight every year in West Virginia about money going to breeders. That’s why it cost Florida more to oversee racing than racing brought in to the state. I don’t think royalty means what you think it means.

        • Terry

          August 13, 2019 at 9:48 pm

          if it isnt Theil puppet running his ignorant mouth. Fred why dont you go spew your BS elsewhere, no one really agrees with you except the scam organization you belong to

          • Fred Barton

            August 14, 2019 at 7:08 am

            Almost 70% of the voters in Florida agree with me.

      • Willard

        August 16, 2019 at 7:44 pm

        Sabrina. The state of Iowa distributes $5.6 million of taxpayer cash to the breeders and groups associated with dog racing there. Plus they charge just $1 single dollar per year for rent for the land and the same for the facilities. Most of that disappears next year.

        You are wrong.

        And soon racing in Iowa will end, 2 years from now. They just went public about their expected lack of dogs for their short season.

        We probably have seen the last of Texas already.

        Almost all gone!

        • Willard

          August 18, 2019 at 10:46 am

          Hey Sabrina, did the fact that you were totally wrong chase you away?

          The pro-racing crowd are so pitiful. They just call others harsh names and run and hide on-line.

          The reason the vote was lopsided was that the public easily saw through their slander and misstatements. They blame others for their losses rather than themselves.

          Texas dog racing will be gone within one year. Iowa within two. All within 4. The greyhounds can then run as pets from day 1 and be bred for health rather than speed only. Yes, they love to run.

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