Army officer on phone call says he raised concerns about Trump and Ukraine

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Alexander Vindman to say he raised concerns with NSC lead counsel

A military officer at the National Security Council twice raised concerns over President Donald Trump‘s push to have Ukraine investigate Democrats and Joe Biden, according to testimony the official is to deliver Tuesday in the House impeachment inquiry.

Alexander Vindman, an Army lieutenant colonel who served in Iraq and, later, as a diplomat, is prepared to tell House investigators that he listened to President Donald Trump’s July 25 callwith new Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and reported his concerns to the NSC’s lead counsel.

“I was concerned by the call,” Vindman will say, according to prepared testimony obtained Monday night by The Associated Press. “I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine.”

Vindman is the first White House official who listened in on that call to testify as the impeachment inquiry reaches deeper into the Trump administration and Democrats prepare for the next, public phase of the probe. He’s also the first current White House official to appear before the impeachment panels.

The inquiry is looking into Trump’s call, in which he asked Zelenskiy for a “favor” — to investigate Democrats — that Democrats say was a quid pro quo that could be an impeachable offense.

The 20-year military officer will testify that he first reported his concerns after an earlier meeting July 10 in which U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland stressed the importance of having Ukraine investigate the 2016 election as well as Burisma, a company linked to the family of Biden, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate.

Vindman says he told Sondland that “his statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate Biden and his son had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not something the NSC was going to get involved in or push.”

That account differs from Sondland’s, a wealthy businessman who donated $1 million to Trump inauguration and testified before the impeachment investigators that no one from the NSC “ever expressed any concerns.” He also testified that he did not realize any connection between Biden and Burisma.

For the call between Trump and Zelenskiy, Vindman said he listened in the Situation Room with colleagues from the NSC and Vice President Mike Pence’s office and was concerned. He said he again reported his concerns to the NSC’s lead counsel.

He wrote, “I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security.”

Vindman, who arrived in the United States as a 3-year-old from the former Soviet Union, served in various military and diplomatic posts before joining the NSC. He was the director for European affairs and a Ukraine expert under Fiona Hill, a former official who testified earlier in the impeachment probe. Hill worked for former national security adviser John Bolton.

Vindman will be a key witness. He attended Zelenskiy’s inauguration with a delegation led by Energy Secretary Rick Perry, and he and Hill were both part of a Ukraine briefing with Sondland that others have testified irritated Bolton at the White House.

Vindman will testify that he is not the whistleblower, the still unnamed government official who filed the initial complaint over Trump’s conversation with the Ukraine president that sparked the House impeachment inquiry. He will say he does not know who the whistleblower is.

“I am a patriot, and it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend OUR country, irrespective of party or politics,” wrote Vindman, who was wounded in Iraq and awarded a Purple Heart.

“For over twenty years as an active duty United States military officer and diplomat, I have served this country in a nonpartisan manner, and have done so with the utmost respect and professionalism for both Republican and Democratic administrations,” he wrote.

The testimony comes a day after Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the House will vote on a resolution to affirm the impeachment investigation, set rules for public hearings and outline the potential process for writing articles of impeachment against Trump. The vote is expected Thursday.

It would be the first formal House vote on the impeachment inquiry and aims to nullify complaints from Trump and his allies that the process is illegitimate, unfair and lacking due process.

Democrats insisted they weren’t yielding to Republican pressure. Pelosi dismissed the Republican argument that impeachment can’t begin without formal approval from the House and brushed off their complaints about the closed-door process.

“I do not care. I do not care. This is a false thing with them,” Pelosi said. “Understand, it has nothing to do with them. It has to do with how we proceed.”

Pelosi’s announcement Monday came just hours after a former White House national security official defied a House subpoena for closed-door testimony, escalating the standoff between Congress and the White House over who will testify.

Charles Kupperman, who was a deputy to Bolton, failed to show up for the scheduled closed-door deposition after filing a lawsuit asking a federal court in Washington to rule on whether he was legally required to appear.

Democrats have indicated they are likely to use no-show witnesses to write an article of impeachment against Trump for obstruction of justice, rather than launching potentially lengthy court battles to obtain testimony.

Associated Press


5 comments

  • NoMoreRepublicans!

    October 29, 2019 at 11:04 am

    Let’s get this over with! Republicans are behaving like a lowly gang – defending their criminal leader. Time to get rid of the criminal leader AND the entire gang the supports and enables him! NO MORE REPUBLICANS!

  • Ray Blacklidge

    October 29, 2019 at 11:37 am

    Biden’s Barber three times raised concerns over President Donald Trump’s push to have Ukraine investigate Democrats and Joe Biden, according to testimony the official is to deliver Tuesday in the House impeachment inquiry.

  • Sonja Emily Fitch

    October 29, 2019 at 2:02 pm

    This is getting to be pathetic for the goptrump Cult. They are all running around like chickens with their heads cut off. EVIL RACIST MOSCOW BITCH TRUMP IS NOT A REAL REPUBLICAN. EVIL RACIST BITCH TRUMP IS A DAMN PUTIN LOVER. IMPEACH HIM NOW. IF THERE ARE ANY GOOD AND DECENT REPUBLICANS LEFT STAND UP FOR AMERICA. ditch these losers of the goptrump Cult.

    • Pedro

      October 29, 2019 at 4:10 pm

      The real comedy in all of this is that Trump did publicly say he was running as a Republican because only Republicans would be dumb enough to vote for him! Looks like that has been the only thing he was right about.

  • Sonja Emily Fitch

    October 29, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    ANOTHER DAMN goptrump CULT MEMBER TED YOHO HAS NOT ATTENDED ANY OF THE IMPEACHMENT MEETINGS TIL TODAY!!!! WHY TED? OUR NATIONAL SECURITY IS AT RISK AND WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING….HIDING IN YOUR OFFICE….ACTING AS IF YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR AMERICAN NATIONAL SECURITY…OR YOU JUST LET GAETZ LOOK LIKE THE FOOL…AT LEAST HE DOES IT IN FRONT OF THE WORLD. YOU TED NEED TO GET OUT…YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR DUTY……

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