A.G. Gancarski
Florida’s Governor and other state leaders are giving more details into how the state will probe a second attempted assassination of Donald Trump.
Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody and others discussed the state-level investigation into what happened at Trump’s golf club in West Palm Beach, where shots were fired at the gunman before he fled and was eventually arrested. Would-be assassin Ryan Routh was apparently hidden away for hours waiting to get a shot in on Trump.
The Governor, who previously said he didn’t trust the Justice Department or the FBI to handle the probe, reiterated those concerns as he made the case for Florida to probe what could have been the second shooting at Trump this Summer over a “violation of state law, not federal law.”
“The federal government does not have jurisdiction to bring an attempted murder charge,” DeSantis said. “They don’t have jurisdiction over a case that’s not a federal official, the apparent winner of a presidential election or the formally declared president-elect. So right then and there we have the ability to pursue potentially life in prison under state law.”
He said Routh “is believed to have committed state law violations across multiple judicial circuits in the state — Palm Beach Judicial Circuit, the judicial circuit including Martin County, as well as perhaps the judicial circuit represented by Broward County.”
“In addition to holding the suspect accountable, the public deserves to know the truth about how this assassination came to be,” DeSantis said. “And I have directed all state agencies to work expeditiously to be able to uncover the truth.”
DeSantis said it was essential to “save the social media” from the suspect, adding that the investigation would probe various “red flags” involving Roush and his “associations, his motivations, and his ideology” in an effort to understand how he ended up at Trump’s club over the weekend.
The Governor said he has spoken to Trump, who is “complimentary” that “Florida is trying to take the lead” in the investigation.
Moody praised DeSantis for working to “meet the moment,” maligning “rhetoric and threats” against Trump, including President Joe Biden saying Trump should be put in a “bullseye.”
She extolled DeSantis for his quick storm recovery after Hurricane Ian, saying Biden should demonstrate similar leadership and be “in the details” and “formulating a plan” to find out what happened.
Moody added that the state probe doesn’t constitute a “turf war,” though state officials may pursue different tracks and charges than the feds. She then alleged an irony in federal officials seeking justice in this case, given how “awkward” it is to have “the same agencies and prosecutors going after the would-be assassin” even as they seek to “put the victim away for life” in a federal case involving allegedly mishandled classified documents.
“We’re protecting one of our own,” the Plant City Republican said.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement head Mark Glass added that if “we want answers, we’ve got to go out and get them,” saying that “acts of domestic terrorism, including assassinations, are unacceptable.”
261 comments
Yrral
September 17, 2024 at 9:52 am
Maybe they should find out the many crimes Trump has committed at Mar a Lago for a start,it is an ongoing crime scene
Michael K
September 17, 2024 at 10:03 am
Says the guy who is all for open carry and wanted 18-year-olds to be able to buy guns.
He’s trying desperately to be relevant, sniffing an opportunity to assume the MAGA mantle.
Should Trump lose, yet again, I think that will be the end of MAGA. It is a losing proposition for what used to be the Republican Party that has lost its mind and moral compass – overtaken by far right conspiracy theorists and isolationists.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 11:19 am
Concealed permit-less carry is the law in Florida.
Open carry is not.
Why do you lie?
Let me guess…Liberal?
Michael K
September 17, 2024 at 12:07 pm
DeSantis pushed for – and encouraged – open carry along with allowing 18-year-olds to buy guns. The legislature said no to both. My statement is correct.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 12:12 pm
No, he said he would sign it if it reached his desk. Rick Scott said the same thing.
Your statement is a lie.
Michael K
September 17, 2024 at 12:24 pm
Tallhassee Democrat: 3’4/23:
“Gov. Ron DeSantis appears to have given the Florida Legislature the go-ahead to approve an open carry measure when they meet next week for the start of the 2023 legislative session, and gun rights groups are pressuring lawmakers to act.
Havana’s Luis Valdes recorded DeSantis Thursday night saying that he supports allowing Floridians to openly display firearms in public, but DeSantis doesn’t believe lawmakers will be willing to amend a permitless carry bill moving in the House.
“Yeah, absolutely,” DeSantis is heard to say when asked whether a permitless carry bill HB 543 should be amended to allow people to carry and display firearms in most public places.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:31 pm
Proof or it didn’t happen
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:35 pm
Gov. Ron DeSantis appears to have given the Florida Legislature the go-ahead to approve an open carry measure when they meet next week for the start of the 2023 legislative session, and gun rights groups are pressuring lawmakers to act.
Havana’s Luis Valdes recorded DeSantis Thursday night saying that he supports allowing Floridians to openly display firearms in public, but DeSantis doesn’t believe lawmakers will be willing to amend a permitless carry bill moving in the House.
“Yeah, absolutely,” DeSantis is heard to say when asked whether a permitless carry bill HB 543 should be amended to allow people to carry and display firearms in most public places.
-Tallahassee Democrat
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:37 pm
Gov. Ron DeSantis appears to have given the Florida Legislature the go-ahead to approve an open carry measure when they meet next week for the start of the 2023 legislative session, and gun rights groups are pressuring lawmakers to act.
Havana’s Luis Valdes recorded DeSantis Thursday night saying that he supports allowing Floridians to openly display firearms in public, but DeSantis doesn’t believe lawmakers will be willing to amend a permitless carry bill moving in the House.
“Yeah, absolutely,” DeSantis is heard to say when asked whether a permitless carry bill HB 543 should be amended to allow people to carry and display firearms in most public places.
DeSantis says ‘absolutely’ as gun rights advocates pressure Legislature for ‘open carry’
James Call
Tallahassee Democrat
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:39 pm
JD lacks the mental capacity to read James Call
Tallahassee Democrat, March 4th 2023.
He’s so Triggered he spent the last hours on my Twitter profile.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:44 pm
Not on twitter biatch
Not on social media at all.
I get enough trash talk on FP
But OK.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 2:01 pm
More Juvenile Comments From JD
Exhibit (A)
JD
September 13, 2024 at 11:20 am
‘“It’s a lie!”
“If I don’t know this or cannot research or read something, it’s a lie!”
STFU and go back to playing your shi!tty music.’
I never said I played music here. He went to my Twitter and found out.
Creepy liar.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 2:04 pm
Never went to your twitter.
You should do a google search on your name and see what comes up first.
Since when did Google become creepy? And you’re the one that keeps barking about talking in public.
Just more sh!tpot stirring from you Rottenturd
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 2:17 pm
Yes, you did JD
You even admitted to it here.
You also said Biden didn’t say “It’s time to put Trump in a bullseye”
Another reader also said he said that.
Just more sh!tpot stirring from you.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 2:19 pm
Billy, I need to ask you again to please stop creating conversations using my moniker. It’s misleading and doesn’t contribute to a constructive dialogue. If you have something to say, let’s address it directly without resorting to these tactics. Let’s keep this discussion honest and transparent.
rick whitaker
September 17, 2024 at 2:27 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, you fool, pushing for and encouraging, is the same as publicly saying i will sign it if it reached my desk. if you weren’t such a punk, you would apologize to michael k. you’re a punk, so you won’t i bet. calling someone a liar when you are the one that is wrong is a fools move for sure. maga cultist no doubt.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 2:37 pm
There is nothing honest and transparent about ANYTHING you have posted JD.
You have no credibility.
You have credibility when you seem totally trustworthy or believable. You lose it when you start lying and acting rather shady.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 2:50 pm
rick whitaker,
Havana’s Luis Valdes recorded DeSantis Thursday night saying that he supports allowing Floridians to openly display firearms in public, but DeSantis doesn’t believe lawmakers will be willing to amend a permitless carry bill moving in the House.
If he was pushing for it, there would be more evidence beyond that single reference from the Tallahassee Democrat.
BTW, Registered Libertarians are not “maga cultist(s).” So it’s apparent you offer nothing of value and resort to lying.
I’m the one who placed the 1 vote for Stormy Daniels as our nominee at our last convention.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 2:51 pm
Registered Libertarians are not “maga cultist(s).” So it’s apparent you offer nothing of value and resort to lying, Rick.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 2:52 pm
Billy, the irony here is hard to ignore. You’ve been the one using my moniker to post comments, trying to create confusion and mislead others. That’s the real shady behavior. If you’re going to call someone out for credibility, maybe start by not impersonating them. Let’s drop the games and have an honest discussion instead of resorting to these underhanded tactics.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 3:32 pm
No, JD, the person making the comment has their name in dark, bold print. It’s quite easy to notice when someone mentions the person their comment is directed at as different.
You are grasping at straws and playing games.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 3:39 pm
Billy, it’s an anonymous forum but there’s a basic level of integrity expected in any discussion. Yes, names are in bold, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re using my moniker when you posted comments to try and muddy the waters. Agreed you should stop playing games and grasping at straws. Now it’s about calling out tactics meant to mislead and manipulate. If you have a point to make, do it under your own name and let the conversation be genuine. Hiding behind impersonation only weakens your credibility.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 3:57 pm
Hey JD,
You’re the one playing games and grasping at straws.
Get your facts straight for once.
You’re the one who is lying here, to mislead and manipulate.
There seems to be no other reason for you to be here.
Rather easy for you to anonymously trash talk others, I see.
That tells me all I need to know about you.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 4:02 pm
Billy, it’s interesting how you keep doubling down on the accusations without addressing the main issue—your use of my moniker to stir up confusion. The facts are clear: you’re impersonating me to push a narrative earlier. And I am not talking about reposting my comments, but posting as me in the Name* field. This isn’t about trash talking; it’s about calling out dishonest tactics. If you’re confident in your stance, there shouldn’t be a need to resort to these games. That’s all I need to know about you.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 4:12 pm
JD,
Your lying is a dishonest tactic and you will be called out for it.
Noble people with noble causes don’t feel the need to do that and you know it.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 6:16 pm
Billy, it’s amusing how you’re trying to take the moral high ground now after spending all this time running around, slinging rhetoric, and calling everyone a liar. And now you claim piety and credibility while having a one-way conversation with yourself, pretending it’s me? That’s not how honest discussions work. If you’re so confident in your position, you wouldn’t need to impersonate me to make your point. Noble people with noble causes don’t rely on these underhanded tactics to try and discredit others.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 11:53 am
Nobody is impersonating you JD.
Your delusional behavior is cause for concern.
Seek help.
JD
September 18, 2024 at 1:07 pm
Billy, your denial of impersonation doesn’t hold water, especially given the behavior on this forum. Instead of addressing the issue directly, you’ve chosen to lash out with personal attacks, which only damages your credibility. It seems you’re more interested in stirring conflict than having a real conversation. Reviewing these comment threads shows you have displayed nothing but hostile behavior and falsehoods. Sad.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 1:54 pm
JD’s idea of having a real conversation is to call others Bi**h.
IRONY.
JD
September 18, 2024 at 2:29 pm
It’s funny you bring up irony when you’re the one having conversations with yourself under different names, like JD, and then playing the victim. Do you really think that low of yourself that you need to invent people just to call them “bitch”? Sounds like you’re trying a bit too hard to stir up drama.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:41 pm
Exhibit (B)
This is your comment JD:
September 17, 2024 at 1:44 pm
“Not on twitter biatch
Not on social media at all.
I get enough trash talk on FP
But OK.”
You are lying again.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:41 pm
Why do you lie JD?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 2:48 pm
Wow, that is beyond the pale. Using your own snarky comments to further your narrative and smearing. Sad. The more you keep pushing the falsehoods, the less credence you have.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:55 pm
Why do you lie JD???
JD
September 18, 2024 at 2:59 pm
Still won’t admit to it? I will you credit for going this long, but you were using the JD moniker, that I use, and calling yourself a “bitch” to initiate a smear tactic later. So I ask you again, “why do you lie?”
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:16 pm
Why are you still lying JD????
MH/Duuuval
September 17, 2024 at 4:42 pm
Those of us who do not own an arsenal sometimes confuse these things. So, why do you favor civilians owning weapons of war?
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 1:02 pm
Weapons of war comment!
another dumfuk juice drinker!
MH/Duuuval
September 18, 2024 at 8:10 pm
Adolf: Automatic weapons, large magazines, sniper scopes, ghost guns, and so forth do not belong in a civilian’s close unless they are enrolled members of the Swiss reserve army.
Most Americans agree. You are in the dwindling minority.
Adolf Biden
September 19, 2024 at 11:49 am
MH
The courts say otherwise, The bruen decision is the law of the land. go run your cockroach errands somewhere else, fash pig!
ScienceBLVR
September 17, 2024 at 10:13 am
Talk about rhetoric!
DeSantis..The Governor, who previously said he didn’t trust the Justice Department or the FBI to handle the probe…
Moody..She then alleged an irony in federal officials seeking justice in this case, given how “awkward” it is to have “the same agencies and prosecutors going after the would-be assassin” even as they seek to “put the victim away for life” in a federal case involving allegedly mishandled classified documents…
G@g me with a spoon- Fl Valley Gal
jean solomon
September 17, 2024 at 11:01 am
RON can’t even protect children from gun-fire in schools..how is he going to protect a grown man, on his own private golf course???? he did sign an open carry law..anyone can carry a gun wherever they want to.!!!! it boggles the mind!!!!!!!
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 1:41 pm
There is no new open carry law stupid!
Blue anon cultist bs
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:22 pm
You spelled Scott Israel incorrectly.
JD
September 19, 2024 at 7:29 pm
Why do you lie? Blaming Scott Israel is a lazy deflection. DeSantis fired him, then signed permitless carry into law, making it easier for anyone—including the untrained and unstable—to carry a gun. Responsible gun owners want their rights protected, but even they know we need filters to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies. So if safety is the goal, why is DeSantis making it harder to protect kids and the public?
And answer the question, why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 8:22 am
In a free society, one does not have to prove their innocence to exercise a right. Learn the difference between a right and a privilege.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 10:12 am
So why do you lie JD?
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 11:23 am
“It’s time to put Trump in a bullseye”
-Biden.
Democrats find this totally acceptable.
Then cry about violence.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 12:46 pm
That quote is fake, plain and simple. Biden didn’t say it, and spreading this nonsense just adds fuel to the misinformation fire. If you’re so concerned about “crying about violence,” maybe start by not promoting outright lies.
Coward
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:29 pm
It’s on video. Multiple sources have also reported on it.
Biden admits ‘bull’s-eye’ comment about Trump was a ‘mistake’ after assassination attempt
Biden told NBC’s Lester Holt.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:30 pm
Proof or it didn’t happen.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:33 pm
Already did.
Why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:51 pm
So what you are saying is “MarvinM” is lying as well?
Why didn’t you ask him to prove it or it didn’t happen, JD?
You really need to stop making a fool out of yourself here.
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 1:56 pm
Florida Politics did a story on it, Boomer.
Are you too stupid to read, Ricki/JD?
Please abort yourself!
JD
September 18, 2024 at 2:21 pm
Resorting to impersonation and name-calling, again? If you’ve got a point, make it without hiding behind fake names or throwing out insults. Citing a Florida Politics story doesn’t suddenly give you credibility when you can’t even stick to one identity.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:32 pm
Biden admits ‘bullseye’ comment about Trump was a mistake
CNN
Jul 15, 2024
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:35 pm
Why do you lie? There’s no proof.
Billy Rotberg is a liar.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:36 pm
Come on, or you going to run and hide? Pussy
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:42 pm
JD likes to whine a lot on the internet.
Refuses to trash talk in person.
Ran and hid at the opportunity.
Look at the grade-school mentality on display in his comments.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:31 pm
Biden admits ‘bullseye’ comment about Trump was a mistake
CNN
https://www.cnn.com › 2024/07/15 › politics › video
Jul 15, 2024
Tom
September 17, 2024 at 1:18 pm
Who’s crying? He’s just a victim of the violence he’s been instigating since he lost in 2020. The country is full of whack jobs and guns it’s just that now, they’re pointing them at him. It’s a sad state of affairs but we reap what we sow.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:20 pm
The Republican’s haven been stirring the political violence sh!t pot for 4 years and now they are pissed they might have to lick the spoon? Talk about “cry harder”
We all lost as this becoming more of a norm.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:30 pm
Nah, You are just lost and a confirmed liar.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:40 pm
Never lied. That’s the parlance of the BananaRepublicans and Billy Rottenturd.
Show me proof I lied? where I knowingly uttered a falsehood? I didn’t. But you wouldn’t know that because your a dumbass.
Big pussy.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:41 pm
Never lied. That’s the parlance of the BananaRepublicans and Billy Rottenturd.
Show me proof I lied? where I knowingly uttered a falsehood? I didn’t. But you wouldn’t know that because your a dumb@ss.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:45 pm
JD was provided multiple sources for Biden’s comment. Anyone can look them up.
He denies Biden said “It’s time to put a bullseye on Trump”
Biden admits ‘bullseye’ comment about Trump was a mistake
CNN
Jul 15, 2024
Take a look at the infantile juvenile comments JD makes.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 2:12 pm
As the person being referred to, let me clarify a few points. Yes, President Biden did make the ‘bullseye’ comment about Trump, but it’s essential to understand the context. This remark was made behind closed doors, not as a public statement or call to action. When the comment surfaced, Biden acknowledged it was a mistake, which shows a willingness to take responsibility for his words—something not all politicians are willing to do.
My questioning of the quote’s authenticity was based on the need for clarity and context, not an outright denial. It’s crucial to differentiate between a private expression of frustration and a public declaration. Taking this comment out of its context can misrepresent its intent and impact.
Furthermore, attacking my comments as ‘infantile’ or ‘juvenile’ isn’t conducive to a constructive discussion. If there’s a disagreement with my points, let’s address those directly with evidence and reasoned debate rather than resorting to name-calling. You tend to resort to “liar” if someone was merely misinformed.
rick whitaker
September 17, 2024 at 2:29 pm
BILLY BOY, what a punk statement. my god, do you have no shame?
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 3:15 pm
Hey Rick,
For the 2nd time, Registered Libertarians are not “maga cultist(s).” So it’s apparent you offer nothing of value and resort to lying.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:45 pm
Why do you lie JD?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 2:52 pm
Another denial of your impersonation shenanigans, Billy? It’s almost getting a bit pathetic at this point.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:57 pm
Why do you lie, JD???
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:19 pm
Your comment which proves you are lying:
September 17, 2024 at 12:46 pm
“That quote is fake, plain and simple. Biden didn’t say it, and spreading this nonsense just adds fuel to the misinformation fire. If you’re so concerned about “crying about violence,” maybe start by not promoting outright lies.
Coward”
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:22 pm
It’s clear you’re pushing falsehoods again, likely using impersonation to stir things up. If you’re going to fabricate quotes, at least make an effort to be convincing. This little game of yours is getting old.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 10:14 am
Nobody is impersonating you JD.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 10:44 am
Again with the narrative of misinformation and lying. You were impersonating multiple monikers because you think you can be cast in the remake of Cybill.
I ask yet again, Why do you Lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:04 am
You just lied about lying again JD.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 11:10 am
Let’s break this down, Billy. Unless you have access to the backend of the site and can see post mechanics, there’s no way to prove if someone’s impersonating anyone. And if you do have that kind of access, it would mean you’re just a shill stirring up traffic for the site, which would not only destroy your credibility but also undermine the site itself.
But let’s be real, neither of us has to answer for anything because, in the end, nobody actually cares whether you or I are lying. So again, why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:29 am
Why are you still lying JD?
JD
September 17, 2024 at 2:15 pm
Billy, it seems like you’re the one responding to comments using my moniker in an attempt to create confusion or sway the conversation. This kind of tactic, often referred to as gaslighting, is not helpful in having a productive discussion. If there’s a point you want to make, it’s better to do so openly and directly rather than trying to manipulate the dialogue. Let’s keep the conversation honest and straightforward.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 2:19 pm
IRONY
JD
September 17, 2024 at 12:46 pm
That quote is fake, plain and simple. Biden didn’t say it, and spreading this nonsense just adds fuel to the misinformation fire. If you’re so concerned about “crying about violence,” maybe start by not promoting outright lies.
Coward
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 2:21 pm
Your comments are indeed ‘infantile’ or ‘juvenile’.
It’s a fact.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 2:22 pm
Exhibit (B)
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:42 pm
Just like Billy Rottenturd – “using the violent rhetoric all the time – tweets, yellls it at rallies, and never apologizes.”
JD
September 17, 2024 at 2:23 pm
You seem to have something for my posts that you’ve created an elborate ruse around trying to belittle me and creating these false narratives.
Perhaps you need some decent mental help professional advice. I encourage you to go seek them.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 2:24 pm
Billy, I’m noticing a pattern here with responses using my name. It’s starting to feel like an attempt to manipulate the conversation or mislead others. Let’s keep things straightforward and avoid these tactics. If you have a point to make, let’s discuss it directly without trying to create confusion. It’s incredibily dishonest to keep your attempts at gaslighting.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 3:19 pm
So you have a problem with my pattern of simply reposting your comments which clearly demonstrate your lack of credibility.
Understood.
How exactly is that an attempt to manipulate the conversation or mislead others?
They should know about you, no?
JD
September 17, 2024 at 3:24 pm
Billy, reposting my comments under your own name is fair game if you’re trying to make a point, but that’s not what’s happening here. Most of the comments appearing under ‘JD’ aren’t even mine—they’re most likely yours in an attempt to gaslight and confuse others. While most people probably see through it and don’t care, you seem to care quite a bit. If you have something to say, why not just say it openly instead of hiding behind this nonsense? Talk about a lack of credibility.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 3:38 pm
The comments appearing under “JD” that I have reposted are your words.
I’m sorry you are confused…But that’s really not my problem.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 6:24 pm
Sorry, but you’re mistaken if you think I’m confused. Why have you made multiple posts using ‘JD’ as the name, trying to make me look juvenile? And yet, you talk about credibility?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 11:56 am
Nope, JD.
I use my own name and mention you.
Get your facts correct.
JD
September 18, 2024 at 2:19 pm
Another untruth Billy, typical. You’ve been caught using different names, like “Adolf Biden,” to stir the pot, so let’s not pretend you’re above impersonation. If you’re going to accuse others, maybe start by being honest about your own behavior first. Zero credible posts from you.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:44 pm
Why do you lie?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 2:50 pm
And still denying your impersonations, falsehoods and bantering around “why do you lie?”
Perhaps you should look inward when asking that question.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:57 pm
Why are you still lying JD?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:22 pm
And yet you provide no proof. No matter how many times you say it won’t make it true.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 11:07 am
Already proved you are lying.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 7:46 pm
Why do you lie Billy? I guess you are in good company with the Republicans.
Oh, and a little secret – Libertarians are nothing more than selfish Republicans, but they don’t really like you. Ask Trump. I recall him saying something about that’s why you keep losing elections.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 8:23 am
Another Lie from JD.
Why do you lie?
MarvinM
September 17, 2024 at 1:33 pm
Yes, Biden did say that, on a private phone call to donors, never tweeted it, never said it at rallies or in any public speech.
When it came out in the press, he explained his meaning was to put a focus on Trump and his policies, and apologized for using that language.
This democrat does find all that acceptable (not ideal, but acceptable). As I would if Trump did the same.
But he does not.
Trump using the violent rhetoric all the time – tweets, yellls it at rallies, and never apologizes.
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:42 pm
Just like Billy Rottenturd – “using the violent rhetoric all the time – tweets, yellls it at rallies, and never apologizes.”
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:46 pm
Proof or it didn’t happen
rick whitaker
September 17, 2024 at 6:29 pm
BILLY BOY, i told you already that i believe you claim to be a libertarian. the “registered” part sounds like a trumpian lie, anyway i’m o. k. with that . so you are or claim to be a libertarian, so fukn what. all that does is make you a nutcase. people don’t usually debate or discuss with libertarians because they are obstinate nutcases.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 12:08 pm
Wow! Rick is now saying that millions of people who register to vote with a certain 3rd party affiliation are nutcases. You democrats do not choose unity, you choose hate division and behave like toddlers. Furthermore, You make baseless assumptions and then get salty when called out over it…You have all the warning signs of Narcissism.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 10:06 pm
Why do you continue to act like a petulant child, Rick?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:24 pm
You still didn’t prove your claim.
JOE BRIBEN
September 18, 2024 at 2:26 pm
They never do
rick whitaker
September 18, 2024 at 6:53 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, please flush your vote. thank you. my vote will help someone get elected.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 5:22 pm
Florida is a red state.
Voter registration numbers clearly demonstrate you are down by a million to the GOP.
Furthermore, most of the LPF is going to vote against you as well. Feel free to keep voting for what you think is the lesser of 2 evils…It’s still a vote for evil.
JD
September 19, 2024 at 5:36 pm
Let’s be real—Florida isn’t solid red, no matter how much some want to believe it. Here’s why:
Close elections: Even though DeSantis had a big win in 2022, that was an anomaly due to sentiment about the pandemic. The governor’s race in 2018 was decided by less than half a percentage point, and the Senate race that year was even tighter. One landslide doesn’t rewrite the state’s competitive history.
Demographic shifts: Young voters and diverse Hispanic communities are leaning Democratic. In places like Orlando and Miami, these trends aren’t slowing down. Demographics are destiny, and this shift will matter in upcoming elections.
NPA voters: Nearly 30% of Floridians are registered as No Party Affiliation, and they swing elections. These independent voters don’t pledge loyalty to Republicans or Democrats, so the state remains up for grabs.
Migration: Sure, Republicans are moving in, but so are blue-state transplants. Florida’s political landscape is getting more diverse, and that migration cuts both ways, making it harder to pin down the state as “red.”
Split-ticket voting: Even with Republican wins, Floridians voted for progressive measures like the $15 minimum wage in 2020. Voters in this state aren’t blindly partisan—they’ll vote on issues, not just party lines.
Florida remains highly competitive. It’s still a purple state, and the data backs that up.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 5:55 pm
JD,
They voted for the restoration of felon voting rights and elected Desantis.
Swing and a miss.
Now answer the question:
Why do you lie?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 5:58 pm
Let’s get the facts straight. Yes, Floridians voted for the restoration of felon voting rights in 2018 and elected DeSantis. But those two things don’t contradict each other—they actually prove Florida’s complexity as a purple state. Here’s why:
Restoration of Felon Voting Rights: That was a progressive, overwhelmingly supported measure. Over 60% of Floridians backed it, showing that voters here don’t toe the party line—they’ll go with what they believe is right, regardless of which side it’s coming from.
DeSantis’ 2018 win: Let’s not forget, he barely won by less than 1%. That wasn’t some landslide victory—it was a razor-thin margin that highlights Florida’s status as a battleground state. His 2022 victory was larger, but as I mentioned before, that’s an outlier in a historically competitive state.
So no, it’s not a “swing and a miss”—Florida’s electorate is nuanced, and those two results actually reinforce that Florida remains up for grabs, not locked into any party.
Again, why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 10:05 pm
Why do you lie always, JD?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 11:37 pm
Now I know you’ve got zero response. Why do you always lie Billy?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 8:24 am
Why do you continue to lie JD?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 10:52 am
Nope JD, Democrats had more registered voters at that time then the GOP. Now you are down by a million. What other state with a million vote deficit is in play?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 10:55 am
Yes, Democrats had more registered voters before, but voter registration doesn’t win elections—turnout does. Florida has had tight races with Dems having a registration edge before, and it didn’t stop DeSantis from winning in 2018 by less than 1%. Plus, Florida has over 3.5 million NPA voters who swing elections.
Having more registered voters isn’t everything—just look at Georgia in 2020, where Republicans had more registered voters, but Democrats still flipped the state. Florida’s still in play because it’s about who shows up, not just who’s registered.
So Billy, why do you continue to lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:09 am
California has more NPAs so by your logic it is in play.
Why do you lie JD?
What other state with a million vote deficit is in play?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 11:41 am
Again, opinion as fact. You are lying again.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 2:58 pm
No proof. So you lied again JD.
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:02 pm
At this point, between my real comments, your impersonation comments as me, and the length of the thread, I am unsure which comment I supposedily did not supply proof. This is tiresome, I will concede you lied and impersonated my moniker, but engaging you has become “not worth the squeeze”.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:07 pm
There is no impersonation going on here.
Why do you lie?
Answer the question.
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:16 pm
Let’s break down your assumptions, shall we? Claiming there’s “no impersonation” when you’ve been caught red-handed is laughable. As for why I lie? That’s rich coming from someone who can’t even stick to one name. How about you answer for that first? You assume I lied, but yet provided zero proof.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:17 pm
Why do you lie like a rug?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:18 pm
Again, you provide zero proof.
Why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:20 pm
Your comment which proves you are lying:
JD
September 17, 2024 at 12:46 pm
“That quote is fake, plain and simple. Biden didn’t say it, and spreading this nonsense just adds fuel to the misinformation fire. If you’re so concerned about “crying about violence,” maybe start by not promoting outright lies.
Coward”
So answer the question, Why do you lie?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:24 pm
This doesn’t prove anything about lying. Copying and pasting a comment doesn’t make it a fact or evidence. It’s just another attempt to push falsehoods and stir up drama. If anything, it shows how desperate you are to spin a narrative. So, why don’t you drop the act and address your own lies first?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:29 pm
Answer the question JD.
Why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:32 pm
Again, I’ll be here all day JD.
Now answer the question:
Why do you lie?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:34 pm
It’s fascinating how fixated you are on this notion of lying. It raises questions about the psychological mechanisms at play when one repeatedly demands an answer to a question framed in such a leading manner. Perhaps it’s a reflection of deeper insecurities or an attempt to project one’s own habits onto others. It reminds me of the philosophical idea that individuals often externalize their internal conflicts onto the world around them. This kind of projection is a well-documented phenomenon in human behavior. So, while your question might seem straightforward, it opens up a more complex discussion about perception, bias, and the nature of truth itself.
And that you apparently do not have a job.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 11:08 am
No proof. So you lied again JD.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 4:51 pm
Why do you lie?
Answer the question.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 5:15 pm
Imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 5:23 pm
As you imitate me imitating you imitating me. It’s like an endless recusive loop.
Why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 5:28 pm
Nope.
I don’t lie.
You do.
Why?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 5:40 pm
Why do you lie Billy? You need a doll to show where they hurt you?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 5:51 pm
Your comments clearly prove you have the mentality of a toddler.
Not a good look for Florida Dems.
Please continue. Keep this up and Florida will be Red for another 20 years.
JD
September 19, 2024 at 5:56 pm
It’s not red now. See my comment on other thread:
Close elections: Even though DeSantis had a big win in 2022, that was an anomaly. The governor’s race in 2018 was decided by less than half a percentage point, and the Senate race that year was even tighter. One landslide doesn’t rewrite the state’s competitive history.
Demographic shifts: Young voters and diverse Hispanic communities are leaning Democratic. In places like Orlando and Miami, these trends aren’t slowing down. Demographics are destiny, and this shift will matter in upcoming elections.
NPA voters: Nearly 30% of Floridians are registered as No Party Affiliation, and they swing elections. These independent voters don’t pledge loyalty to Republicans or Democrats, so the state remains up for grabs.
Migration: Sure, Republicans are moving in, but so are blue-state transplants. Florida’s political landscape is getting more diverse, and that migration cuts both ways, making it harder to pin down the state as “red.”
Split-ticket voting: Even with Republican wins, Floridians voted for progressive measures like the $15 minimum wage in 2020. Voters in this state aren’t blindly partisan—they’ll vote on issues, not just party lines
Why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:02 pm
Nope. JD. You are still lying and serving up blue talking points.
You had a clear voter registration advantage in 2018 and it didn’t help you.
Truth is. Desantis didn’t win. You blew it. You ran Gillum freak. Gwen Graham would have won.
The final nail in the coffin was our nominee Randy Wiseman dropped out. Our former 2014 candidate got almost 300k votes. Enough would have given the race to gillum.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:04 pm
Now answer the question:
Why do you lie?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 7:22 pm
Got it. Let’s get straight to the point: Libertarians didn’t sway the 2018 election, and here’s why.
Randy Wiseman dropping out didn’t hand the election to DeSantis. Libertarian voters are notoriously unpredictable, and many don’t just fall in line with Democrats or Republicans when their candidate drops out. Some might’ve voted Republican, some might’ve voted Democrat, and plenty might’ve just stayed home. To claim those 300,000 votes from 2014 would’ve automatically swung to Gillum ignores the reality of how third-party voters actually behave.
The tight margin between DeSantis and Gillum shows the race was competitive regardless of third-party involvement. Blaming Wiseman’s dropout is just a way to shift the narrative. The real issue is Florida remains a purple state, and no one group, especially Libertarians, had enough sway to decide the election one way or another.
And again, why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:45 pm
Because Isreals job was to police the schools. You think that’s a governors job? To walk the beat every day?
Post gun crime statistics to back up your permitless carry claim
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:48 pm
JD you guys claimed concealed carry would result in a more gun crime in the 80s but the opposite happened. Why lie?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 7:52 pm
Let’s see if the links will go through.
A study from Johns Hopkins shows states with permitless carry laws saw a 13-15% spike in violent crime. So much for “safety first”:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/study-finds-significant-increase-in-firearm-assaults-in-states-that-relaxed-conceal-carry-permit-restrictions
In Tennessee, the results were just as predictable—permitless carry led to a 21% jump in gun homicides. Brilliant move, right?
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/study-finds-significant-increase-in-firearm-assaults-in-states-that-relaxed-conceal-carry-permit-restrictions
Texas? Same story—gun crimes shot up 14% after they loosened carry laws. But sure, let’s pretend more guns with fewer restrictions make things safer:
https://www.thetrace.org/2022/05/permitless-carry-law-increase-police-shootings-study-johns-hopkins
And in Florida, gun violence rose by 7.7% after DeSantis signed permitless carry into law.
https://www.thetrace.org/2022/05/permitless-carry-law-increase-police-shootings-study-johns-hopkins
Oh, by the way, The Trace—a reputable nonprofit that partners with heavy-hitters like The New Yorker—backs this up with solid data. Their reports aren’t just talking points; they’re grounded in facts and academic research. Maybe facts should matter more than political slogans?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 7:54 pm
There’s another comment in moderation with links, but here are the stats:
A study from Johns Hopkins shows states with permitless carry laws saw a 13-15% spike in violent crime. So much for “safety first”:
In Tennessee, the results were just as predictable—permitless carry led to a 21% jump in gun homicides. Brilliant move, right?
Texas? Same story—gun crimes shot up 14% after they loosened carry laws. But sure, let’s pretend more guns with fewer restrictions make things safer:
And in Florida, gun violence rose by 7.7% after DeSantis signed permitless carry into law.
Oh, by the way, The Trace—a reputable nonprofit that partners with heavy-hitters like The New Yorker—backs this up with solid data. Their reports aren’t just talking points; they’re grounded in facts and academic research. Maybe facts should matter more than political slogans?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 7:58 pm
Guns are now the leading cause of death for children in the U.S., according to the CDC, surpassing car accidents. If anything shows the failure of looser gun laws, it’s this horrifying statistic. States like California, with strict regulations like background checks and safe storage laws, have lower overall gun death rates, including for children, compared to states like Texas and Tennessee, which push looser laws like permitless carry.
So no, concealed carry hasn’t magically made anyone safer. California’s stricter laws are keeping more people alive, especially kids, while states relaxing gun laws are seeing spikes in violence. Loosen gun laws all you want—just don’t pretend it’s helping protect lives.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:43 pm
Why do you lie JD?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 8:27 am
More failure from JD.
The trace is a Bloomberg organization with cherry picked statistics.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 10:08 am
The leading cause of death for children in the U.S IS NOT GUNS. 18 and 19 year olds are not children.
The claims by gun control advocates are only possible if they define everyone under 20 as children. When justifiable homicides are accounted for, the number drops even further. Car accidents are the leading cause.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 10:41 am
Actually, firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens in the U.S., according to the CDC, for ages 1 to 19. This isn’t about just including 18- and 19-year-olds—gun-related deaths still outnumber car accidents even in younger age groups. Justifiable homicides are a small percentage and don’t significantly change the overall stats. This is backed by credible data, not a lie.
So why do YOU lie?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 10:42 am
Actually, firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens in the U.S., according to the Centers for Disease Control, for ages 1 to 19. This isn’t about just including 18- and 19-year-olds—gun-related deaths still outnumber car accidents even in younger age groups. Justifiable homicides are a small percentage and don’t significantly change the overall stats. This is backed by credible data, not a lie.
So why do YOU lie?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 10:46 am
Firearms have overtaken car accidents as the leading cause of death for children and teens in the U.S., according to the disease agency (to get around the moderation algorithm), for individuals aged 1 to 19. This is not just about including 18- and 19-year-olds; even in younger age groups, gun-related deaths surpass those from accidents. “Justifiable homicides” make up a very small percentage and don’t significantly change the overall numbers. This data is based on official statistics and isn’t an exaggeration.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 10:55 am
“Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School” How laughable.
Do you take your advice on the dangers of smoking from Phillip-Morris too?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 10:59 am
Say what you want about John Hopkins, but it doesn’t change the fact they are world renowned for intellectual integrity and methodology.
You asked for data, and proof. Your bias keeps you from accepting it, like a zealot you thinks he has a noble cause but is really the fool.
So why do you lie? This is all just your propaganda – like the Germans in 1933 used.
JD
September 20, 2024 at 11:06 am
Actually Billy Boy, the data was from the government agency one cannot post here any longer, but was using 1-18 year olds. 19 and 20 were excluded.
So apparently you are lying again – zero credibility.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:12 am
You only said “Children”.
They say “TEENS AND CHILDREN”
Therefore, YOU LIE.
Are 18 and 19 year olds considered children?
Why do you lie and use deception JD?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 11:24 am
How much maturity do 18-19-year-olds really have with firearms, especially without supervision? It’s questionable, and the military exception doesn’t apply to most people. And you want to talk about “deception”? That’s ironic, considering the fact is that guns are now the leading cause of death for children and teens aged 1-19. This isn’t just some arbitrary legal distinction—young children and barely legal adults are killed by guns more than anything else. Why? Too many guns are in the hands of irresponsible owners.
So why are you still lying?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:35 am
Nope. 18 and 19 year olds shot committing crimes are not victims. They are not children
a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority is a child.
You failed again.
Why lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:48 pm
I keep trying to explain to JD that Biden did say it. This was his response:
JD
September 17, 2024 at 12:46 pm
That quote is fake, plain and simple. Biden didn’t say it, and spreading this nonsense just adds fuel to the misinformation fire. If you’re so concerned about “crying about violence,” maybe start by not promoting outright lies.
Coward
JD
September 17, 2024 at 1:51 pm
Did he say it? Do you have proof? I thought Biden was dottering old man. Maybe be admitted to something he didn’t do.
YOU have zero proof. But if you do, display it here on the forum.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 1:55 pm
MarvinM
September 17, 2024 at 1:33 pm
“Yes, Biden did say that.”
So you are saying he is lying too!
Got it!
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 1:50 pm
Log back into your Ricki profile and learn to spell, illiterate turd!
JD
September 18, 2024 at 2:24 pm
Nice try with the impersonation, “Adolf Biden.” If you’re going to accuse others, at least have the guts to stick to one name instead of hiding behind fake ones. It’s clear who the real “illiterate turd” is when you can’t even stick to your own identity.
JOE BRIBEN
September 18, 2024 at 2:26 pm
Eat shit Ricki
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:01 pm
Why are you lying again JD?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:05 pm
Billy, Billy, Billy, this parade of falsehoods is just sad. Truly pathetic. “Why did you lie” has as much substance as a vacuum. Or is that just your vacuous brain at work?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:08 pm
Why do you lie JD?
Answer the question.
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:20 pm
Billy, how’s that cognitive dissonance treating you now that you’ve been caught in your own web of lies?
Playing cat and mouse on the internet isn’t fooling anyone.
So, I’ll ask again: why do you lie?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:21 pm
I’ll be here all day.
Answer the question:
Why do you lie?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:27 pm
Ah, so you’ll be here all day—just like a paid shill. Accusing others of lying is easy when you’re projecting your own tactics. Instead of constantly demanding answers, maybe take a moment to reflect on why you’re so eager to push this narrative. Your desperation to deflect and accuse is pretty obvious. I’ve got actual work to do, so enjoy spinning your lies without proof. I’ll deal with your abundance of “why do you lie” and “no proof” comments tomorrow. Be well.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:32 pm
Just answer the question JD:
Why do you lie?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 4:52 pm
Why do you lie?
Answer the question.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 5:52 pm
Why do you lie, JD?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 5:54 pm
Why do you lie Billy Rotberg. I’m here all day.
Answer the question.
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 8:01 pm
JD, why does that billy rotberg punk give you so much grief? did you out wit him and then he got all puffy about it? what a punk. i’ve read your posts, i didn’t detect any lies.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 8:09 am
Why
Do
You
Lie
JD?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 9:04 am
How exactly is one “Puffy” by simply replying to comments with truth Rick? Explain.
It looks like that’s another word you don’t know the definition of.
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:17 pm
Again, let’s break down your assumptions, shall we? Claiming there’s “no impersonation” when you’ve been caught red-handed is laughable. As for why I lie? That’s rich coming from someone who can’t even stick to one name. How about you answer for that first?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:24 pm
More lies.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 18, 2024 at 3:32 pm
Classic move—calling someone a liar to distract from your own behavior. The more you throw out these accusations, the more it points back at you. Maybe you should reflect on why you’re so intent on pushing this false narrative. Your desperate deflection is getting tiresome. I’ve got real work to do, so go ahead and enjoy spinning your lies without proof. I’ll handle your endless “why do you lie” comments tomorrow.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:33 pm
More lies.
Why do you lie about everything?
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 3:39 pm
Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:46 pm
Your continual rage posting only proves you are desperate Rick. You and JD just can’t control your emotions.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 10:03 pm
Why do you lie?
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 5:25 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, iv’e read all you posts. all i found was a huge pack of lies. didn’t your mom tell you not to lie, mine did, and i listened.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 5:58 pm
“Your Mon”
What are you like 5?
What’s next? You gonna make fart noises with your armpit?
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 6:24 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, i asked you a question punk and you didn’t answer. i’ll ask you again, are you sleeping in your mom’s garage or attic? i forgot about florida not having many basements. did your mom teach you not to lie? simple question. most people would answer it easily.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:17 pm
Your rage driven tirade only helps to you embarrass yourself Rick. I own 3 houses and a merchant cash advance business. Made a lot of money off of Obama’s 35% corporate tax rate. The houses tripled in value thanks to Biden. I make bank BECAUSE of your blue policies while most others suffer because of them. I’d rather see everyone prosper but they vote blue to remain in poverty.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:18 pm
I own 3 houses and pay the bills for my mother because I made millions in the merchant cash advance business thanks to Obama. Your personal attacks will get you nowhere.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:29 pm
I’m not at your beck and call Rick. You’re personal attacks are rather disturbing..You don’t even know who you really are replying to and have the audacity to lob protectionist accusations?
Such is the DEM MO.
rick whitaker
September 17, 2024 at 3:00 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, i apologize to you if i was wrong. based on your low information posts i assumed that you were a maga cultist. now that you have informed me that you are a libertarian (vote flusher) , i will know you as a rand paul type nutcase. i usually don’t even comment on libertarian posts because they remind me of monday morning quarterbacks.
Billy Rotberg
September 17, 2024 at 3:42 pm
Your entire comment history is filled with low information posts and anger.
Call me a vote flusher all you want, the fact remains.
Al Gore lost in 2000 because we got the ballot access amendment across the finish line and Put Ralph Nadar on the ballot. What have you done exactly?
rick whitaker
September 17, 2024 at 6:17 pm
BILLY ROT BERG/ MAGA MARK, your comment was that of a low info punk, what am i supposed to think? i hope you flush your vote. one less for trump. who is the libertarian candidate runnig for pres on the florida ballot? i don’t keep up with vote flushers. you bragging about “we” helping defeat gore doesn’t make sense. gore was great and bush was bad, so what’s to brag about. gore would have been a fine president for sure. bush was very bad with all the lives and billions he threw away in his greed wars. sadly, you are low info and have no idea what’s going on.
Billy Rotberg
September 18, 2024 at 12:12 pm
It only exposes how you democrats have ideas so horrible that you have to shut out other choices. It’s fascist by nature. You fear having all parties treated equally despite the fact that 65% voted to allow fair ballot access and the amendment was passed.
JD
September 18, 2024 at 1:18 pm
Billy, it’s funny you talk about “shutting out choices” while dismissing anyone who doesn’t think like you. Libertarians often preach freedom of choice but throw a fit when others exercise theirs. Sure, 65% voted for fair ballot access, but that doesn’t mean your “my way or the highway” approach is suddenly noble. Your issue seems less about freedom and more about needing everyone to agree with you. How about practicing some of that tolerance you claim to support?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:31 pm
My financial wealth proves otherwise. Trash talk all you want.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 9:07 am
Hey JD, Nova university invited Adrian Wyllie to debate against Rick Scott and Charlie Christ in 2014.
The democrats and republicans forced them to exclude him. How exactly does that further democracy?
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 1:44 pm
Ricki/JD are do nothing, go nowhere miserable blue cultist losers.
JD
September 19, 2024 at 4:52 pm
Why do you lie?
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 7:44 pm
BILLY BOY, when someone calls out a punk like you for constantly lying, that is not a personal attack. what is disturbing is your attitude reflected in your posts. no one likes or respects a liar. if you want respect, act maturely and quit lying. BTW, i do know who i’m replying to. your posts speak volumes.you ould do better reading amnd not posting. you’ve got a lot to learn for sure. i won’t call you stupid, but your posts are. yes dude or dudette, i know you well.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:47 pm
You’re the one lying Rick. Try to control your emotions and not be so childish.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 10:00 pm
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about Rick.
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 8:16 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, “my financial wealth”, yeah, a punk like you is sure to be a check monster of some kind. if you don’t have at least a million in assets, you’re broke in today’s world. i’m not broke. i could care less how much money you got. i was just coming down on you for dumb comments about money. obviously you’re clueless dude or duddette. billy rotberg can’t be your real name.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:49 pm
No, you are just rage posting personal attacks you learned by reading rules for radicals by Alinski. You cannot articulate anything without emotional drivel.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:59 pm
So says Rick, the anonymous poster bringing up moms and trying to imply some warped imaginary superior complex. Delusions of grandeur.
rick whitaker
September 23, 2024 at 12:54 pm
BILLY ROTBERG , prove my claim, you fool, why? you are an idiot, i don’t owe idiots any proof, idiots can’t handle the truth.
rick whitaker
September 20, 2024 at 11:35 am
BILLY ROTBERG, you brought it up so i will respond in kind. first of all i don’t believe you because you lie constantly, but, if what you say is true, so what. i owe over a doezen properties, no mortagages, and i still haven’t finished selling my business assets off. i’ve given away 3 houses to needy families in the past 5 years. but here’s the kicker, i made almost all my money from the bush foreclosure debacle years. my business was a full reo services company. so, i made my money on the mistakes of a gop president. again, i don’t think you own anything based on your record of blatant and regular lying. merchant cash advance business, isn’t that another name for a predatory lender? i have always paid cash for everything my whole 72 years of life. i don’t pay interest, ever. i’m too conservative to waste my money on interest. anyway billy rotberg, go on with your punk self, i’ll just sit back and laugh.
Billy Rotberg
September 23, 2024 at 12:03 pm
Prove your claim.
MH/Duuuval
September 17, 2024 at 4:45 pm
It’s your old pal Peachy in drag.
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 2:11 pm
Bend over for Biden!
Hunter wants a turn too
rick whitaker
September 18, 2024 at 8:18 pm
MAGA MARK, is that you again peachy. are you full of word salad, and now just acting like a howler monkey acts? you and earl shitts like the drama, how metro of you dudette.
Adolf Biden
September 19, 2024 at 11:54 am
Go eat another sachel of richards
fruit boi
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 11:48 pm
MH/DUUUVAL, it could well be peachy, but the tone seems more punkish to me. but that could be a crude act. either way their both maga mark’s to me
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:08 pm
You sure could have used the help of our Nominee Randy Wiseman in 2018. We got him to drop out. The 300,000 Adrian Wylie voters from 2014 were left without a candidate. So the majority fell in line and elected desantis.
Run Gillum again. He can campaign in a Miami hotel room.
JD
September 19, 2024 at 7:19 pm
Let’s cut the nonsense. DeSantis didn’t win in 2018 because Randy Wiseman dropped out. He scraped by with less than a 1% margin because Florida is still a purple state. Trying to blame the lack of a third-party candidate is just a weak excuse.
And Gillum? Despite his personal issues, he almost beat DeSantis. That’s how competitive Florida still is. So keep pretending it was some Libertarian savior that swung the race—fact is, DeSantis barely won, and the state is far from locked down for Republicans.
Stop spinning excuses and face reality: Florida voters aren’t as predictable as you’d like to think.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:34 pm
You lost, please get over it.
You will loose again.
Why do you lie?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 7:43 pm
No, I didn’t lose. We all lost.
And again, why do you lie and impersonate?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:56 pm
You are the typing nonsense JD. Exit polls don’t lie. But you do. Why?
JD
September 19, 2024 at 11:40 pm
Exit polls don’t lie? Please. If you think one set of exit polls is the holy grail of Florida’s political future, you’re grasping at straws. DeSantis’ 2022 win was big, but let’s not pretend that erases the fact that 2018 was a squeaker, or that Florida has millions of NPAs who swing elections either way.
The real question is why you don’t have a rebuttal other than parroting exit polls like they’re gospel. Florida’s still competitive—pretending otherwise just shows you’re dodging the bigger picture.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 8:12 am
You still have not answered the question:
Why do you lie JD?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 10:59 am
What other state with a million voter registration deficit is in play JD?
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 7:19 pm
You’re personal attacks are laughable. Rick.
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 7:53 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, i don’t make personal attacks, i just comment on your comments which are childish at best. why are you so defensive? what do you have to hide about yourself? when a person (dude or dudette ) like you attacks, and then wines, dude, that’s childish.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:50 pm
You just made multiple personal attacks Rick. You are also lying.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:55 pm
You lied again JD.
Why?
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 8:19 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, sounds like you are a ron desantis fan, no wonder you don’t have a clue.
Billy Rotberg
September 19, 2024 at 9:54 pm
Another personal attack. You are unable to reply without spewing viterol and hate. Your childishness continues unabated.
rick whitaker
September 19, 2024 at 11:55 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, it is a fact that desantis fans are clueless. facts aren’t attacks.
rick whitaker
September 20, 2024 at 12:08 am
BILLY ROTBERG, that projection bs don’t work with me. trump wore that ploy out long ago. everybody’s hip to it now..
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 8:16 am
Nope. You just lied again Rick and you don’t know the meaning of the word fan. Here it is:
Britannica Dictionary definition of FAN.: a person who likes and admires someone (such as a famous person) or something (such as a sport or a sports team) in a very enthusiastic way.
Where’s my enthusiasm?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 8:17 am
Your obsession with trump is not normal.
rick whitaker
September 20, 2024 at 11:45 am
BILLY ROTBURG, you are definitely a fan, of what or who, i would hate to try to guess. a hardcore contrarian is what you seem to be. contrarians are not for anything, just against everything. that could be what you are a fan of, contrarianism.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:52 am
Mentioning a public figure does not make one a fan of them. Learn the definition of the words you use Rick. And please stop moving the goalposts.
JD
September 20, 2024 at 11:02 am
Georgia in 2020 had nearly a million more registered Republicans and still flipped blue. It’s not impossible—it just proves that turnout and strategy matter more than registration numbers. You’re pushing a “hopeless” narrative to avoid admitting that swing states aren’t locked down.
That cognitive dissonance stings, huh? Especially when you are not against someone that is not informed.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:21 am
There are only 33 states and territories that display voter registration figures publicly. Georgia ain’t one of them source-Ballotpedia.
You just lied again JD
JD
September 20, 2024 at 11:49 am
Sure, multiple comments in moderation, but here’s the point: Analysts can extrapolate the number of Republicans and Democrats using exit polls and voting behavior. That’s how estimates work when direct registration numbers aren’t available.
But you’re just nitpicking like a lawyer hunting for a technicality in a contract. Classic. And as the old joke goes, you’ve got a 1-in-a-million shot at being human.
Alright, fine, you win. Take the last comment. Enjoy.
rick whitaker
September 20, 2024 at 11:15 am
BILLY ROTBERG, why are you accusing JD of lying? that’s all you do, so i can’t see why you call someone else what you are. you are OBVIOUSLY coppying trumps bad habit of uncontrollable lying. billy you are a sick little punk for sure. keep your inane posts up and everyone will automatically pass by your posts unread just like everybody does to earl shitts posts.
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:22 am
PROJECTION.
Funny how you and JD show up to comment at the same time, isn’t it?
Billy Rotberg
September 20, 2024 at 11:25 am
So if JD ain’t lying surely you can explain his comment that Georgia had NEARLY A MILLION more registered Republicans when they are not a state that display voter registration figures publicly.
Go ahead, prove his claim Rick.
Otherwise, YOU are lying too.
JD
September 20, 2024 at 11:37 am
Oh, come on. Yes, Georgia doesn’t display official party registration because it doesn’t register voters by party—something everyone knows. But that doesn’t mean voter registration estimates don’t exist. Data analysts like TargetSmart and Catalist have long provided reliable breakdowns of voter tendencies based on voting history and demographics.
Before the 2020 election, Georgia was estimated to have more Republican-leaning voters based on past voting patterns. And guess what? That’s what analysts used to gauge the party landscape.
So, no, I’m not lying. Maybe you should try looking beyond surface-level knowledge like “Georgia doesn’t register by party” and understand that data modeling and voter behavior analysis fill in the gaps where raw numbers don’t exist. Stop with the weak deflections and try backing up your claims with something other than a basic “Ballotpedia” link.
Keep Projecting. I don’t know why you keep defending all the Republican Trash like your a opposum. Or is that why you are lying?
JD
September 20, 2024 at 11:38 am
Oh, come on. Yes, Georgia doesn’t display official party registration because it doesn’t register voters by party—something everyone knows. But that doesn’t mean voter registration estimates don’t exist. Data analysts like TargetSmart and Catalist have long provided reliable breakdowns of voter tendencies based on voting history and demographics.
Before the 2020 election, Georgia was estimated to have more Republican-leaning voters based on past voting patterns. And guess what? That’s what analysts used to gauge the party landscape.
So, no, I’m not lying. Maybe you should try looking beyond surface-level knowledge like “Georgia doesn’t register by party” and understand that data modeling and voter behavior analysis fill in the gaps where raw numbers don’t exist. Stop with the weak deflections and try backing up your claims with something other than a basic “Ballotpedia” link.
Keep Projecting.
rick whitaker
September 20, 2024 at 10:06 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, jd has it right on and you don’t have a clue. your facts are wrong. listen to jd, he will straighten you out. some how you got off on the wrong foot, so jd might be able to school you if you will shut up and listen. your matter of fact statements are out of context, or just totally wrong. get some new sources dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.
Billy Rotberg
September 23, 2024 at 11:57 am
Nope.
He admitted defeat. That makes you a liar Rick!
September 20, 2024 at 11:49 am
“Sure, multiple comments in moderation, but here’s the point: Analysts can extrapolate the number of Republicans and Democrats using exit polls and voting behavior. That’s how estimates work when direct registration numbers aren’t available.
But you’re just nitpicking like a lawyer hunting for a technicality in a contract. Classic. And as the old joke goes, you’ve got a 1-in-a-million shot at being human.
Alright, fine, you win. Take the last comment. Enjoy.”
Billy Rotberg
September 23, 2024 at 11:59 am
Nope.
He admitted defeat Rick.
estimates are not proof of anything.
You are displaying Narcissistic traits.
Billy Rotberg
September 23, 2024 at 12:04 pm
estimates are not reliable.
You both lie.
And also are walking minus signs.
Your comments prove it.
Billy Rotberg
September 23, 2024 at 12:05 pm
More Projection.
rick whitaker
September 23, 2024 at 12:35 pm
BILLY ROTBERG, do you even know what projectionism is? it has been perfected and is heavily used by trump for years now. i don’t think you actually know what it is since you use it so much to defend your weak points . projectionism is a weakness, that’s why you use it so much. you have proven my point about you once again.
Recall Rhonda
September 17, 2024 at 12:30 pm
He was just hunting the tasty geese! Give the guy a break, he didn’t know Rump was playing golf (Handicap 6, thanks for sharing that to the world). If Rhonda already wants this geese hunter placed behind bars for life for attempted murder for simply carrying a firearm, then doesn’t that conclude the investigation? So much for a fair trial in the free state of Florida. Rhonda you’re a has been and a loser. Stop wasting taxpayers dollars, this is nonsense!!!! Trump is not the president and he shouldn’t have secret service protecting him like he is the president! Oh by the way, the county and state resources covering Mar a lago is ridiculous!!! You closed A1A now I can’t even get home before dinner anymore. Sickening what is happening to Florida! Vote blue for goodness sakes!
Adolf Biden
September 19, 2024 at 12:02 pm
No recalls in florida, stupid.
scream at the sky some more while I laugh at you!
My Take
September 17, 2024 at 4:31 pm
Can that clown DeScamus keep his mouth shut for s single day?
Is simply everything “Look at me!”?
“No, no, keep looking at me!”
Elmo
September 17, 2024 at 4:54 pm
There goes big Ron again sticking his grimy fingers in every puddin dish he can find.
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 2:08 pm
cry harder
THE SAGE ELVIS PITTS AMERICAN
September 17, 2024 at 9:20 pm
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MH/Duuuval
September 17, 2024 at 9:46 pm
At least the head of the FDLE has kept his wits about him. DeSantis, Moody, and etc. are running around like Chicken Little.
Butt and beave
September 18, 2024 at 8:35 am
Between a possible 33 thousand violent gangs with a min of 59 thousand a batch. Think about that democracy and how he received the machine military guns like the violent gangs do
MH/Duuuval
September 18, 2024 at 8:16 pm
Kamala Harris has said repeatedly that gun running needs to stop — either inside the US or arms going outside.
Adolf Biden
September 19, 2024 at 12:00 pm
your prostitute candidate has nothing but talking points.
She should go back to servicing willie brown. It’s all she’s good at.
Dont Say FLA
September 18, 2024 at 9:36 am
The next step in the Turnip J Truck situation will surely be a third Ex-MAGA turnip seed that he sowed outgrowing him and then coming for him.
They should not do that, but can anybody really see 100% of folks who fled the MAGA cult, but still have their rifles, behaving beyond reproach?
You lie and lie and lie and lie down with (eating the) dogs, you get up with fleas!
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 1:00 pm
Blue cultist rage monkey flinging poo.
Adolf Biden
September 18, 2024 at 12:55 pm
Democrats enable assassinations. They have a long history.
MH/Duuuval
September 18, 2024 at 8:18 pm
Another non sequitur.
2A radicals have paved the way for the flow of firearms within the US and to our neighbors to the South and in the Caribbean. Step up and take credit where credit certainly is due.
Adolf Biden
September 19, 2024 at 11:52 am
Shut up eric holder!
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