Peter Schorsch
As we enter the dog days of Summer, the battle lines are forming over Amendment 13, the proposed constitutional amendment to ban greyhound racing in Florida.
Now that we’ve seen the initial moves from each side, it looks like it’s shaping up to be a long, tough campaign for supporters of the dog racing industry. While industry backers are focused on a long shot lawsuit to strike Amendment 13 from the ballot, the “Yes on 13” campaign is already running at full steam.
As previously reported by Florida Politics, animal protection advocates have already announced key campaign positions for progressive star Joe Trippi and conservative campaign guru Marc Reichelderfer. The campaign has also made a digital push focused on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and website.
On Monday, Yes on 13 will officially kick off its campaign with an event in Tampa. It’s not an accident, of course, that this historic event is being held in the heart of the I-4 corridor, where Florida campaigns are lost or won, and it’s notable that Tampa’s Republican state Sen. Dana Young will headline the launch event.
Perhaps the shrewdest move the campaign has made, however, is the strategic decision to use the dog racing industry’s own footage against them. Florida Politics has received a copy of a web ad about to be released by the campaign that includes recent footage of greyhound confinement and deaths across the state.
The video highlights four greyhounds that died at Florida racetracks in 2017, including dogs that suffered broken backs and broken legs.
All of this footage was released by the industry itself — one source is a video Sanford Orlando Kennel Club released in 2014 under the title, “The Truth About Greyhound Racing at SOKC.” No matter one’s position on Amendment 13, it’s a safe bet that title will come back to bite opponents of the greyhound racing ban.
If nothing else, the “Yes on 13” video and prior digital efforts provide a clear view of their campaign strategy. They plan to give voters a look at the footage and materials greyhound racing supporters have already copped to knowing about.
Ban backers will assert that these videos are a window into a cruel and inhumane industry, forcing dog race proponents to play defense from the opening shot — a clever and possibly decisive strategy.
The early view from the grandstands is that greyhound racing could very well be entering its final lap.
65 comments
steve grabarczyk
June 2, 2018 at 10:17 am
Par for the course, stealing someones intellectual property. Would expect nothing less from these dregs of society. I hope the owner of the stolen footage sues.
Carla Wilson
June 2, 2018 at 11:02 am
For the first time, voters will have the chance to see evidence of greyhound confinement and deaths, and decide if this cruelty should end.
Joyce Carta
June 2, 2018 at 11:07 am
All footage and facts used are properly attributed to sources who made the information available. Appropriate credit is given on each piece of film or to accompany each fact. The horrific deaths shown and the confinement cage footage are all recent…from 2017. We support what we say, gladly. These stories are true. Truth always overcomes. The greyhound lives at stake are far too important to us to support our position with the defective weapon of falsehoods.
Roy
June 3, 2018 at 10:51 am
What a joke the spin put on this so untrue the Greyhounds love their live style they eat and exercise better than the average house pet. I was in the business over 20 years and care has gotten better over the years. People like you only see what they hear.
Joe T
June 3, 2018 at 5:21 pm
Joyce you would know the truth if it bit you in the face, your nothing but a lie spreader
Joe T
June 4, 2018 at 3:03 pm
Thats a total lie, Jeff did not give you permission to use his footage, your just part of the lying scam group that is so deceitful it got sued and lost
Carla Wilson
June 2, 2018 at 11:07 am
For the first time, voters will have the chance to see evidence of greyhound confinement and death, and decide if this cruelty should end.
Juliana G Robertson
June 2, 2018 at 11:09 am
This video was put together by Grey2KUSA, the Massachusetts based organization whose sole purpose is to ban racing without giving a thought to the well-being of greyhounds as individuals or as a breed. Using footage stolen from the racing industry to show that conditions at the track are not abusive, Grey2KUSA has totally manipulated the truth to deceive you. Yes, dogs do die at the tracks in Florida. But you are being intentionally mislead because they are not telling you the whole truth. There are 8,000 dogs at Florida tracks. The death rate among Florida greyhounds is actually very low given that population of animals. What you are not being told is that the numbers of deaths mentioned in the video are not just from racing injuries. Those numbers actually include deaths from all causes which have to be reported to the State of Florida to ensure that there is no abuse. As is typical of the organizations trying to ban racing, they are not telling the true story in an effort to incite a certain an inaccurate and unfair hysteria against racing. Secondly, those dogs in the crates are not being abused. Greyhounds are widely known to sleep 20 hours a day. (And, aren’t we all encouraged to crate train our dogs for their own safety when we are away? If those dogs were in the same crates in a home, would that be abuse? ) If there was not a trainer walking down the aisle taking a video, each of those animals would be contentedly sleeping for hours on end. So, those conditions in that kennel are not abusive in any way. (Did you notice how incredibly clean it was? Doesn’t look like a puppy mill, does it?) Thirdly, the dogs at the track are outside playing for several hours a day every day. (How could they perform on the track if the only exercise they ever got was during an actual race?) As the adopter of 10 greyhounds and an advocate for their welfare, I can assure you that the greyhounds at the track get more and better exercise than my greyhounds at home do. Fourth, the greyhounds shown laying about are also not in an abusive situation. They are actually laying in the shade during their turn out time. If the camera was facing the other direction, you would see an open and clean and very large turn out area in which the greyhounds are free to roam, play, and relax. But, of course, they are not going to show that. This false propaganda is just typical of the groups trying to ban racing in Florida. Finally, ask yourself this question – what is going to happen to the greyhounds if Florida bans racing? What you do not know is that there is already an issue with illegal “underground” racing which is akin to dog fighting. Since they are not going to stop breeding greyhounds, that just means that more and more will be sent to the tracks in Mexico, and, yes, that is as bad as it sounds. Unless you are actively involved in the greyhound world what you do not know (and what Grey2KUSA will not tell you) is that there is an incredible nation wide network of greyhound adoption groups that ensures all of those greyhounds will find a home as they come off the track, if you ban racing, and it goes underground or to Mexico, there will be no adoption network for those greyhounds. If you vote to ban racing, you are voting to condemn greyhounds.
Janet Skinner
June 2, 2018 at 11:14 am
The dog racing industry cannot run from its well documented history of the killing and mistreatment of greyhounds. This is recent video footage produced by the industry that proves what greyhound advocates have been saying for years. These gentle dogs have won the hearts of Floridians throughout the state and I have no doubt that they will join me in voting YES on 13 in November.
Fred Barton
June 2, 2018 at 12:06 pm
You don’t have to wonder why proponents of greyhound racing never speak to the issue of cruelty when video from the industry itself shows how terrible greyhound racing in and how much the innocent, helpless dogs suffer in racing gulags across the state.
I am a Board member of GREY2K USA Worldwide, an organization that fights to save these marvelous creatures all over the globe. (you can learn more about us here: http://www.grey2kusa.org.) I have fostered and adopted rescued racing greyhounds since 1995. I cannot imagine abandoning any of them when they become injured, old or sick and yet this is routinely what happens to them at operating tracks and will continue to happen as long as racing is allowed to exist.
Fred Barton
Board Member
GREY2K USA Worldwide
Joe T
June 3, 2018 at 5:22 pm
same old cut and paste info from fake Fred, member of a deceitful lying group that even admits it
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 4, 2018 at 4:00 pm
You never change your story. It’s the same old crap every time. You just cut and paste. That’s because you don’t know what to say. You have no idea at all about the racing industry, have never been to any kennels or farms or have never become friends with owners or handlers. Just admit the truth, you’re too dumb to know anything. Did Thiel give you this copy and paste? He does the same thing. Same old crap over and over. How much is Thiel paying you to spurt this garbage?
Fred Barton
June 4, 2018 at 4:35 pm
That’s because there is only one story and that’s the story of the heartless commodification and exploitation of helpless greyhounds for profit and the lives of confinement, injury and death they endure in racing gulags. That’s what Prop 13 is all about and that’s what people will be voting on in November. Expect us to continue telling that story.
Odd that someone in an industry that purports to care so much for the greyhounds would refer to issues concerning their welfare as “crap.”
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 4, 2018 at 6:34 pm
Yep, same old stupid argument, lives of confinement, injury and death, which we all know is not true. Greyhounds can not be confined or they couldn’t race. They have to be walked and exercised every day. They are out 4 to 5 times a day for playtime and to do their potty time. See? This is what I mean when I say you don’t know the racing industry. You are that stupid to actually believe they are confined for 20 plus hours a day. How dumb are you really? Their muscles would atrophy and they couldn’t run if that were true. Seriously, are you that dumb or that brain washed? Yes, there are some injuries, that’s not a crime. Most of those injuries are so minor that they are back racing in a few days. Some are as little as a broken nail, yet you scream and yell how bad those injuries are. A greyhound running in his own backyard can get hurt much worse than this and I’ve known a few that have. So should we ban home ownership too? And some greyhounds are confined in crates in homes for 8 to 10 hours a day because owners work. Shouldn’t you try to ban that? Oh, that’s okay with you though. Greyhounds in the kennels are not confined that long every day yet you keep insisting they are. Why do you think it’s okay to confine them in homes 8 to 10 hours a day, but if they are in their crates for 2 hours at a time in the kennels that’s not okay. You are a hypocrite. The issues you refer to are crap, yes. The true issues of their love and care are not crap. Don’t go changing my words around. This is typical of an anti person. They can’t say anything truthful so they turn the story around to suit their needs. Like I’ve said, you have never been to any kennels or farms, so everything you say about the care of greyhounds is just what you’ve been brain washed to believe.
Fred Barton
June 4, 2018 at 9:39 pm
According to industry statements, greyhounds are kept confined in their cages for 20 to 23 hours per day. They are confined perpetually with two exceptions: A few times per month, greyhounds are removed from their cages and taken to a racetrack, where they compete. (Iowa Greyhound Association, “Greyhound Farming,” Iowa Greyhound Association newsletter).
A few times per day, greyhounds are “turned out” in a large group and allowed to relieve themselves. These turn-outs account for a total cumulative period of one to four hours per day. (Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering, Investigative Report for Case No. 2006029115 ).
Do the math.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 5, 2018 at 11:30 am
Fred Barton, how about YOU do the math here. Greyhounds are out of their crates 4 to 5 times a day starting at 5 am for about 2 hours at a time, sometimes 3 hours depending on the weather, so let’s add that up shall we? Say they are out 5 times during the day for 2 hours, that would be 10 hours total right? Okay, so how does that add up to being crated 20 hours or more a day? I think you were never very good at math in school. See how uneducated you are? Or say they are out just 4 times a day for 3 hours. That would be 12 hours total. In another thread one of your anti friends actually said they are crated 30 hours a day. Yes, she said that, that’s how dumb anti people are. News flash… there are only 24 hours in a day, not 30. This is how uneducated anti people are. So your math is WRONG there , sir. Why is it so hard for your brain to understand that greyhounds confined for 20 plus hours could NOT run? You can’t understand that? Why? You really come off as a very stupid man if you can’t comprehend that. Keep making a fool of yourself. You are giving everyone a good laugh.
Fred Barton
June 5, 2018 at 11:55 am
If you’ll go back and read my post you’ll see that my information came from an industry publication and a state regulatory agency. Just because you don’t want to believe something doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 5, 2018 at 2:24 pm
You are a riot aren’t you? You just can’t believe the truth. Those stats are false. You can write any of those claims and say where they came from. Show me the original post of this proof. Not what you write. Greyhounds are not confined 20 or more hours a day period. Believe it or not, that is your choice, but I know the truth. You’re afraid to learn the truth All you anti’s are. Then you’ll be embarrassing yourselves so badly because of the lies you believe and have made up yourself. One more time, Greyhounds CAN NOT race if they are confined that long in a day. Their muscles would atrophy and they wouldn’t be able to run. What part of that is so hard for you to understand? Why are you so stupid?
Fred Barton
June 5, 2018 at 3:08 pm
Let me explain the concept of reference to you. Those parenthetical statements at the end of my points are there so you, and anyone else can go and look to see that what I’m saying is true. What I’m saying by using them is don’t believe me, go and see for yourself. That’s called backing up what you say with the facts.
Laura L. Chamberlain
June 6, 2018 at 1:12 pm
Fred Barton, I’m very much wanting to see this information so I can make an informed decision. I’m encountering a problem in that when I enter the parenthetical information you provided in a search engine it keeps bringing up The Grey2k website and other articles etc. where it has been mentioned but not actually the original source of the information. Is there any way you could please give me a link, I would greatly appreciate it.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 6, 2018 at 6:47 pm
Fred, you are going back 12 years. Give us something from 2018. Living in the past is your only way of posting things because you have no current information about greyhounds or their care at all. Stop bringing up the past. Times have changed for the better in the last 10-15 years. The care and conditions have improved 98%. I feel sorry for you that you have to live in the past. What a sad life you have. Get the real facts from 2018. Come on Fred, you can do it.
Fred Barton
June 6, 2018 at 9:18 pm
Crate sizes have not changed, nor have fundamental kennel poractices in the intervening years.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 6, 2018 at 10:10 pm
That’s right, crate sizes are the same. BIG enough for a greyhound and a human to fit easily in at the same time. Plenty of room for even a big greyhound. You have a lot to learn there Fred. Kennel crates are larger than the crates people use in homes. Bet you didn’t know that either did you? Now you learned something new today. A lot of things have changed through the years. Tracks have been made safer, the bad handlers have been fired, more handlers have been hired to be with the greyhounds longer. You think you know everything, but since you never go to any kennels, you don’t know anything truthful.
Don Goldstein
June 2, 2018 at 2:35 pm
Sometimes the truth hurts, and the truths shown in these videos come from the very industry that is trying to perpetuate the death and confinement shown. The voters of Florida want to PROTECT these wonderful DOGS and will vote YES on 13!
John S
June 6, 2018 at 11:59 am
Don, like the video of you lying about the crate size, 2ft by 3 ft by 32″ give me a break, and then you have your dogs outside for hours in 98% degree heat, you are a fake and should be ashamed, crates are 42x34x32 large enough for them to lay down stand up, eat, stretch out, turn around
Paul Amoroso
June 2, 2018 at 7:39 pm
You are a bunch of hucksters led by the two big thieves theil and dorchak drawing huge salaries and posing as animal rights activists we saw their grift first hand in Massachusetts they left there sticky finger legacy all over the MONEY its all about the MONEY don’t give these Kennedy like banshees a penny let alone the time of day they like all good Kennedys will give the the shirt off your back not theirs these lowlifes don’t give even that they take take take and put it all in there grimy little paws no pun there they are bums never wormed a minute in their lives at anything never a second of labor but they are animal right activists they can’t get their own house in order and they are going to save the puppies all they are capable of is huge salaries at fools expense who buy their bullshit
Fred barthon
June 2, 2018 at 9:48 pm
I think you pretty much covered all the unsubstantiated attacks on the people who want to end this institutionalized cruelty you call greyhound racing. Now that you’re done with that, how do you respond to the inherent brutality that innocent greyhounds suffer everyday in racing gulags?
Fred Barton
June 3, 2018 at 9:15 am
Prop 13 is about the heartless commodification and exploitation of innocent greyhounds for profit. Your comment demonstrates, yet again, that the industry has no meaningful response to this issue and so you make personal attacks on those who oppose you. I really doubt that name calling is going to change anyone’s mind, especially when hard evidence from the industry itself underscores the suffering greyhounds endure in your racing gulags.
Joe T
June 3, 2018 at 5:25 pm
more cut and paste from Greed2k script, get some new info Fake Fred, your big words dont fool anyone, you a total tool and lie thru your fat face
Fred Barton
June 3, 2018 at 5:42 pm
Thank you for helping me make my point.
Lisa Poole
June 2, 2018 at 10:07 pm
One has to wonder, this Constitutional Revision will ban dog racing in the state of FL, but if the Grey2K organization’s goal is to end all racing due to the cruel treatment of the dogs, why didn’t the provisions also include banning all Florida residents from betting any dog racing in any location?
This targeted attack begs one to ask why horse racing wasn’t included in this amendment? Similar industry, but the horses are beaten to run faster by a person sitting on their back, not running for the joy it. SMH. Sadly, there will be no winners in this decision, and the imminent extinction of a purebred dog breed in the US in the next decade.
Fred Barton
June 3, 2018 at 1:04 pm
Twelve of the 18 remaining greyhound tracks in the country are in Florida. Ending greyhound racing there will be a giant step towards ending it everywhere. As for the horses; you may have noticed our name is GREY2K USA. Grey as in greyhound. Perhaps you confused us with the Coalition for the Protection of Race Horses, or CANTER, or Thoroughbred Rescues, or some of the many other groups that advocate for race horses.
Kelly Faircloth
June 2, 2018 at 10:07 pm
The footage in the ad is recent, factual, not clandestine, and was filmed by the racing industry. Watching those collisions and deaths should leave a hole in the heart and a lump in the throat of every human being that believes that greyhounds deserve better. Knowing that greyhounds are confined in cages until the next race, where they risk their lives for a lousy buck, should infuriate every single one of us.
Put a stop to the exploitation and cruelty. Vote Yes on 13.
Joe T
June 3, 2018 at 5:28 pm
filmed by the racing industry and stolen by tools like you without permission, like a lot of photos from other countries and photos that are photo shopped
voncile
June 3, 2018 at 1:10 am
Glad to see something coming on the ballot.
I will be voting Yes on 13.
Enrique Valdes
June 3, 2018 at 7:03 pm
I wonder why none of the footage of injuries is from Palm Beach Kennel Club? Oh, I know certainly why!! Once again I was told that just today another dog had a nasty fall, and PBKC refused(as they always do) to show the replay. Is that “fishy” or what? What are they hiding?
Joe T
June 4, 2018 at 3:06 pm
does the HSUS , Peta or other rescues show footage of all the pets they put down daily
Sharon
June 5, 2018 at 4:39 pm
Geeez. Ruth (the) Hag makes it sound like the Greyhounds are at an exclusive resort! Where the hell are her kennels?! I have been to the back lot of kennels in Florida and it is NOT a pretty site. There were rows and rows of small kennels stacked 3 piled high with barely enough room to turn around yet stand up straight. Some if not most of the dogs still had their muzzles on because the LAZY ASS handlers didn’t want to take the time to remove their muzzles. I have seen the sores and scars those muzzles left on the faces of greyhounds getting release from their incarceration. Greyhound racing is a dying industry so it’s time for the owners, handlers, trainers, track lords and All the other creeps that have tried to profit off these highly intelligent and extremely docile canines find another source of income! Hopefully something that does NOT EXPLOIT any animals. Thank Goodness they can not get a job at Ringling Brothers working with animals any longer! I believe the Voters of Florida are sick of this industry and will ‘Do the right thing’ for the sake of the dogs
VOTE YES ON AMMENDMENT 13!!!!!!
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 6, 2018 at 10:28 am
WTH is the “back lot” of kennels? You are making some very big lies here. There is no such thing as back lots. There are kennels where crates are only stacked one on top of another, females on top, males on bottom. Name the kennel that has 3 or more stacked crates. Did you report this so called stacking? If you didn’t you are guilty of animal abuse. And you have to go to name calling? This is how antis work. They have no proof of anything so they go to name calling and trying to make the people who work with greyhounds every day look like the bad guys. The only time a greyhound would have their muzzle on in their crate is because they are getting them ready to go to the track to race that day. You do not know greyhounds at all. Stop telling malicious lies to make the industry look evil. Greyhounds make wonderful pets because of the love and care they get, not in spite of it.
John S
June 6, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Sharon you just proved your a liar, they are only 2 high, you really need to get your eyes check or learn to count if you think 2=3, also the size of the kennel is 42″ by 34″ by 32″ more than enough for them to stand, turn around , stretch out , and the name calling just shows how sick activist like you are, you dont know what your talking about and it shows, and as a dying sport 500,000 was wagered on days on the dogs,
Sharon
June 6, 2018 at 10:49 am
OMG. The Liars here are you and all your cronies! Look in the Mirror cause you’re only fooling yourself. Yes Ruthie I have been to the kennels! I have picked dogs up from Florida Kennels and I know exactly what I saw. I was so damn depressed that I could not take ALL of them! It still haunts me to this day! The ONLY thing you LOVE about these hounds is the thrill of trying to continue to make big profits off them no matter how stressing and injurious it is to them. My rescued Greyhound still screams out when she only thinks she’s going to be hurt or pained. That’s NO lie. I not the liar here. I have lots of experience with the breed. Over 30 years so don’t tell me I do not know what I am talking about. Get over it. Greyhound Racing needs to end! Start looking for other ways to make money and support yourself. If you are as smart as you claim to be then it should be no problem finding employment. You are UNBELIEVABLE AND THATS THE TRUTH!!
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 6, 2018 at 11:56 am
Name the kennels Sharon. What kennels did you see 3 stacked crates because that’s impossible. I do not have racing greyhounds. You don’t know anything about me. And once again why didn’t you report this? You are an animal abuser then. You don’t deserve a dog. Your greyhound screams because she doesn’t like you. Greyhounds are not abused. If they were they couldn’t race. You anti’s never use common sense. And how many years ago did you see these stacked crates? If you’re telling the truth, then tell it. Name the kennels and how many years ago it was. Bet you won’t. Anti’s never “tell”. Because they lie! I don’t own kennels. I don’t race greyhounds, but I do know kennel owners, handlers and trainers. I know the truth, you do not.
Renee Leslie
June 6, 2018 at 12:05 pm
Sharon, you made a comment about “back lot kennels” that you saw at a track. May I ask which track you saw these at and when this was? I’m confused as I am seeing from others that this is not the case.
John S
June 6, 2018 at 12:11 pm
its 2018 30 years things change a lot and if your dog screams stop being mean to it, your a shill for Greed2k and dont deserve a greyhound, Greyhounds dont need to be rescued anymore so we all know your comments are out dated
Stacey Fletcher
June 6, 2018 at 7:21 pm
Greyhounds and several other large/giant breed dogs that have never raced get osteosarcoma, it is not caused by racing. Osteosarcoma is more prevalent is Irish Wolfhounds and Rottweilers than Greyhounds, and just about every large breed dog is prone to osteosarcoma. The tumors are most commonly found in the long bones and it’s dogs that experience rapid growth of the long bones are the breeds most susceptible to it.
Sharon
June 6, 2018 at 12:54 pm
Well Ruthie. You Do Not know anything about me either Do you? So don’t make up lies about me now. I want to know where the kennels that you are talking about and take a tour. If you do not owe Greyhounds and you do not work in a kennel taking care of the Greyhounds how believable are you?! How the hell can you say they are out 4-5 times a day for 2-3 hours. Are you there at 5am when they start letting them out as you disclose?! That’s ludricrous and so are you! Do you stay and know for a fact they are allowed to be out for 2-3 hrs at a time? I highly doubt it. And don’t include me in all your lies! Again I rescued greyhounds from kennels and I saw how they were kept. There might be exceptions but I’m sure they are few and far between. My Greyhound is a princess. Is treated like One and lives like one. I only wish the majority of hounds coming off the track and far away from the kennels had her existence. The kennel I rescued is none of your business. I know how they were kept. I could not report them as them we would not have the opportunity to rescue even more! You have a lot guts to try and glam and protect this horrific industry. And that’s what it is. An Industry. Fortunately it’s not just the Greyhounds that are dying now. Give it up. Find other means of employment. The Racing days are numbered.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 6, 2018 at 2:16 pm
Just as I thought, typical anti behavior. Won’t disclose the kennels or report anything wrong. You’re just like all anti’s, know it alls that know nothing at all. How do I know all these things? Because I know the kennel owners personally, do you? You won’t tell anything you’ve seen and then try to change the subject to what I know. We’ve seen it so many times before. Sorry thee Sharon, but you don’t know crap. Greyhounds are not abused, they are not neglected, they are loved and spoiled and if you’re to stupid to use your common sense, then there’s nothing I can do to help you. Seek professional help. And once again, I am not employed by the greyhound industry. I am retired. I don’t make a dime from the love of my greyhounds. Taking away from the greyhounds what they love to do is cruelty. You are guilty in every way of animal abuse by trying to take away what greyhounds love to do, run. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Sharon
June 6, 2018 at 3:14 pm
I know Crap when I’m addressing it and that would be what’s coming out of your mouth. You’re not disclosing the “resort” kennels that you speak so highly of are you?? I asked you the same question. Where are these kennels? So you claim they are let out starting at 5am for hours at a time and you’re NOT even there. OMG. You’re not even there to make such statements. I will agree with one thing. Greyhounds do Love to Run. I am absolutely certain if they could talk they would state they Do Not Love to Race. If given the choice between living at the kennel/track environment and living in a loving home where they get the Best Food(not DDD crap) treats, toys, walks, interaction with other loving people do you really think they would say they wanted to stay where they are!!!! Whose STUPID now. Ummmm I would say you have no brains. Honestly, can you not put yourself in their paws and see there’s a world of difference between how they are living now to how good they have it when we rescue them! And BTW after leaving the track they have the worst teeth I have EVER seen in a breed. Plus there are hardly ever ones without scars And that’s just the visible scars. We have seen many with broken bones that were never taken care of and Osteocarcinoma is so prevalent in this breed because of the track. Can you deny any of that?!! Your lies are making me sick to my stomach and anybody that believes them is as Stupid as I know you are. Period
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 6, 2018 at 6:41 pm
I don’t have to disclose the kennels, you do. You’re the one that claims 3 stacked crates in back rooms. Where? You’re not there so how do you know they aren’t out of their crates 4 to 5 times a day? How do you know? Did you ever spend a whole day at a kennel to see how many times hey are out of their crates? Did you? You won’t answer because you never have. You won’t name the kennels because you never saw what you claim you did because it doesn’t exist. Greyhounds can’t live in a 3rd stacked crate. How would they get up there? They can’t jump that high or be lifted that high. So see who’s lying now? YOU are. Greyhounds get fed better food than most adopted greyhounds. They get treats, toys, play time and love. They get rub downs before and after they race to keep their joints loose. Some kennels have whirlpools for them to go into. Does your greyhound have her own whirlpool? So how are they treated again? Yeah, I thought so. You are so brain washed from the mother ship, you can’t even see straight. How sad for you. I’m done with you. You can’t fix stupid so I won’t even try.
Stacey Fletcher
June 6, 2018 at 5:06 pm
Well…
1) Sharon is lying. There are no kennels in Florida with crates “stacked 3 high.”
2) Don Goldstein goes on video and lies about the actual crate size in the kennel.
Y’all couldn’t tell the truth to save your lives. One has to wonder what other lies and deception you’re willing to commit to push your agenda, or if anything you say at all is true… and the out-of-state “backers” lead the charge in lies and manipulation.
Sharon
June 6, 2018 at 8:26 pm
Ruth. You are a pathological liar. You want to demand that I tell you what kennel I am talking about although when I ask you questions I see NO answers. Nothing about where this ‘Heaven on Earth’ kennel is that you are talking about. And that’s All it is …. talk. Nor do you address their teeth being so bad and untreated breaks and how so many of them get bone cancer aka Osteocarcinoma which I stated before but you probably didn’t know what that Big word was so I’ll state it again in a simpler way. Actually Greyhounds can Jump quite high Certainly 3 crates up. I am witness to that. But not only are you pathological you are Pathetic and I also am done with you! You and your kennel cronies Do not care one iota about these wonderful, calm, sensitive dogs. They deserve a much better life with those who do know how to Love them!
Ruth Hagenbaugh
June 6, 2018 at 8:59 pm
Sorry Sharon, I do not lie. I am a much better person that that. I tell the truth. Like I said, you won’t answer because you are lying. I can name quite a few kennels that are like Heaven to our greyhounds. But YOU are the one that claims certain kennels are so bad, yet you won’t name them so it can be looked into and corrected. But you don’t care if the greyhounds are being abused. You just want to keep lying. I can’t believe you think I am so stupid to ever believe anything you say. Greyhounds DO NOT get osteosarcoma from racing. That is a myth. All large breed dogs are prone to osteo and I do know what the word means. I’ve lost greyhounds and a small mixed breed to it. Cancer is hereditary in all breed dogs, not just greyhounds. That’s how little you know about this disease. Some greyhounds are more prone to bad teeth than others. Not every greyhound has bad teeth. I’ve only had one greyhound in 20 years that had to have teeth pulled. So that theory you claim is wrong. Again you’re wrong. Greyhounds ARE NOT stacked 3 crates high. That is one of the biggest lies you’ve told. You still won’t answer any questions. You keep trying to push this whole conversation on to me, but guess what? It’s not working. I know how you anti’s work. You refuse to answer questions and show proof of anything you say, then you take off running with your tail between your legs. Typical. There are very few broken bone injuries, about 1/10th of about 5,000 greyhounds. There are more injuries that occur in adopted homes than on all tracks combined. Greyhounds are very much loved at the kennels. But you wouldn’t know that because you never spend any time at a kennel. You just keep bullshitting yourself through life. You are right when you say they deserve to be loved with those who know how to love them and that is not you. You don’t deserve to own an ant. If you really loved the breed you would want them to be happy and they are very happy racing. They love to race. They love the chase. Try stopping a greyhound from chasing that lure when the gate opens. Go ahead, try. They love what they do. Taking that away from them is cruel. You are a very cruel and selfish person.
Joe T
June 9, 2018 at 10:05 pm
Sharon you are delusional and just another lying activists that will say anything and doesnt have proof to back anything up, 3 crates high, you must be on crack
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