A.G. Gancarski
While the South may or may not rise again as the old saying suggests, a new survey indicates many Floridians value monuments to the bygone Lost Cause of the Civil War.
The Cygnal survey of 800 likely Florida voters shows a law “that would protect historical monuments and memorials, including some for soldiers who fought for the Confederate States of America, gets support from 6-in-10 voters as only Democrats oppose the law (53% oppose; 28% support).”
Indeed, 91% of Republicans support such a law, with 81% of them saying they strongly support it.
Support for the war memorials extends to independent voters also, with 51% saying they support it against 30% opposition. A full 43% of no party-affiliated voters say they strongly support the measure.
The poll has particular relevance in the wake of HB 395, filed this year by Rep. Dean Black of Jacksonville. The bill proposes state “protection of historical monuments and memorials” and authorizes “all actions to protect and preserve all historical monuments and memorials from removal, damage, or destruction.”
The bill would punish local lawmakers and officials who voted to remove such memorials, authorizing a fine in the amount of costs to replace or repair the memorial out of their personal wealth for removal actions. It would also give Gov. Ron DeSantis the power to remove elected leaders from local office from the time the bill takes effect.
The bill language makes the state preemption explicit against “any local elected officials who may be swayed by undue influence by groups who may feel offended or hurt by certain actions in the history of the state or the nation.”
Gov. DeSantis said he hasn’t seen the legislation, which was filed in a different form and which died in committee in the 2023 Legislative Session.
“I’m not familiar with it. So I would have to take a look at it. I don’t know,” DeSantis said in Jacksonville earlier this month.
Based on this survey, signing off on this legislation would please many of his base voters, while upsetting those who wouldn’t vote for him anyway.
71 comments
Dr. Franklin Waters
November 20, 2023 at 3:52 pm
They want laws protecting mass produced pre-fab bull$hit honoring traitors that were all put up during the Jim Crow era simply to intimate black people.
Weird
Fred
November 21, 2023 at 10:14 am
Have you read the bill? It’s about so much more then the writer tells.
DR JAMES
November 21, 2023 at 12:51 pm
Losers like you always say Jim Crow and traitor. There were only 2 laws and they were made by your Demo-rats. Traitor? Like Fighting a invading force? Like Israel fighting Hamas? We defended ourselves.
MH/Duuuval
November 21, 2023 at 1:58 pm
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the secessionists attacked a US military installation to kick off the war.
Lisa
November 21, 2023 at 3:44 pm
Your rhetoric not only reflects your lack of knowledge about substantiated history, you also continue the hate and belligerent aggression of those who put up those confederate monuments, well after the war, to serve as billboards to white supremacy, enforced by violence.
rick whitaker
November 26, 2023 at 9:35 pm
who are the we you spoke of? confederates were traitors, face it.
David McCallister
November 21, 2023 at 3:01 pm
Why can’t people understand that the clear majority of citizens appreciates the civic landscape as it is and do not want disruption by the small group of loud, shrill haters .
MH/Duuuval
November 21, 2023 at 9:49 pm
No proof of a clear majority on either side of the issue. Most folks do appear to be opposed to spending $500K to remove it. Put it up for surplus and let the highest bidder move it. That might prove to be satisfactory to a majority. Then, we can move on without a towering symbol of perpetual chattel enslavement based on race located on public property, which signifies public approval of that peculiar institution.
My Take
November 27, 2023 at 12:03 am
They were probably fine as well with school text and library books and college course offerings.
Then the loud, shrill, rightwing haters showed up.
Mary Stevens
November 22, 2023 at 8:55 pm
Jim Crow Laws began in the North….not South. Additionally, the Confederacy was very diverse. There were black Confederates, Jewish, Native Americans, Hispanics, etc. Cherokee Stand Watie was a Confederate General and the last Confederate to surrender. What other nonsense do you have?
Mark
November 23, 2023 at 10:23 pm
Mary, you’re a fine example of the Floriduh Ejukashun Sistim. You forgot the “and some slaves were happy” line along with the rest of your bullocks. You are correct that separate cars for races did originate in the North, and “Jim Crow” itself was a minstrel character that traveled and was popular in many Northern States. Minstrel shows were popular in America for decades. Beyond that, you espouse the usual Southern apologetics and just cannot admit that 1. The South fought to keep and expand chattel slavery. 2. Almost every “monument” was erected by the Daughters of The Confederacy to promote The Lost Cause fallacy.
My Take
November 27, 2023 at 12:10 am
Similarly, there were various SS Divisions representing conqueŕed or sympathetic nations and peoples. Not Jewish of course.
My Take
November 27, 2023 at 12:29 am
Similarly, there were many diverse ethnically non-German SS divisions, mainly from conquered nations, e,g., SS Wiking (Nordic peoples.).
Does this somehow indicate Nazis were OK?
rick whitaker
November 27, 2023 at 8:15 pm
mary stevens, you dumb racist. trying to explain facts to you would be a waste of time.
MH/Duuuval
November 28, 2023 at 1:47 pm
The Black Confederates hoax is among the biggest efforts to hornswoggle the guileless. Still trying to find ONE enslaved person who VOLUNTEERED to join up with Johnny Reb.
MH/Duuuval
November 28, 2023 at 5:53 pm
Er: Jim Crow laws
The South and border states didn’t need segregation laws because they had enslavement to keep Africans down. But, in many instances so-called slave masters wanted to keep their chattel at hand. Such as the woman who required a 5-year-old to sleep on the floor in her bedroom so that she could serve her mistress at a moment nonie.
Richard Russell
November 20, 2023 at 4:15 pm
History is recognized by all civilized societies as being an important lesson for its current and future citizens. It serves an example of the good and bad that prior generations experienced. To destroy monuments and signs of the past is ignorant and destroys tangible examples of what and why humans must change to grow and learn from the past or be inclined to repeat them.
Michael K
November 20, 2023 at 4:28 pm
Confederate monuments were intentionally placed to glorify and honor traitors and white supremacy – not to illuminate history.
Mary Stevens
November 22, 2023 at 8:56 pm
President Lincoln said in 1858 that he was a white
supremacist. No one was tried for treason.
My Take
November 26, 2023 at 8:35 am
Very possibly most abolitionists back then were white supremacists. So what? Two different things.
MH/Duuuval
November 28, 2023 at 9:31 am
Historians point out that many white abolitionists remained convinced of African inferiority, as did many Northern whites. Even outstanding individuals who were formerly enslaved like Frederick Douglass couldn’t convince them otherwise.
MH/Duuuval
November 28, 2023 at 1:51 pm
Lincoln believed that in light of the history of Blacks and whites, and the terrible things done to the former by the latter, that racial harmony was not ever going to be possible. Lincoln apparently supported colonization to the end of his days, but the military contributions of African
Americans always came to the fore in this thinking after 1862. Remember: The Confederacy began a draft in 1862 and the Union in 1863, but the 100k African Americans who fought for the Union were All volunteers — and this is what counted with Lincoln.
MH/Duuuval
December 1, 2023 at 10:36 am
CORRECTION
“The Confederacy began a draft in 1862 and the Union in 1863, but the 100k African Americans who fought for the Union were All volunteers — and this is what counted with Lincoln.”
The CORRECT number is 170k, not 100k — with a total of over 200k, if you add in the USN.
rick whitaker
November 28, 2023 at 7:26 pm
mary, lincoln was a republican, so what’s your point.
MH/Duuuval
November 20, 2023 at 10:23 pm
So, we need a monument to white Confederate women to explain to us that enslavement of Africans — perpetual chattel slavery based upon race — was wrong?
Wells Todd
November 20, 2023 at 4:26 pm
For those who want to continue to celebrate the Confederacy please read Confederate Monuments and Self-Image
Internalized oppression: cause and effect.
By Molly S. Castelloe Ph.D. The Me in We
The “Lost Cause” was a false cause.
Fred
November 21, 2023 at 10:17 am
Please read Alexander Adam’s book “Iconoclasm, Identity Politics and the erasure of History. It will reveal who people like Wells Todd are and what their ultimate goal is.
MH/Duuuval
November 21, 2023 at 2:07 pm
Break it down for us, Fred, if you can.
It’s not Wells Todd that is the issue here, it’s a memorial on public property that zealously promotes the “Lost Cause” of perpetual chattel slavery based upon racial appearance.
DR JAMES
November 21, 2023 at 12:53 pm
Todd Wells is your real name and a paid agitator from Jacksonville. How did you spend your BLM money? Nice car?
tom palmer
November 20, 2023 at 5:37 pm
The south will rise again.S##t floats.i
Seber Newsome III
November 20, 2023 at 8:25 pm
Yes, Wells Todd, we want to celebrate our history. In particular, the Southern men and the women who took care of the family while the men were fighting for their independence. If this ever went to a vote, the monuments would stay. That is why no county or city will allow the people to vote on it.. Thank God for Representative Dean Black and Senator Martin, for, having the back bone to put forth this much needed legislation. Wells, you might as well stop protesting, cause you are just wasting your precious time left on earth.
MH/Duuuval
November 20, 2023 at 10:17 pm
“we want to celebrate our history. In particular, the Southern men and the women who took care of the family while the men were fighting for their independence.”
Are you referring to the enslaved men and women who kept the farms and plantations going? You want to celebrate a society based upon human enslavement and various forms of abuse?
the Truth
November 20, 2023 at 10:43 pm
have you ever thought about this, the south would not have survived one day, if the slaves revolted, while the men were gone fighting a war, but, they did not,, go figure, Yankees have spewed lies about how the blacks and whites hated each other, they did not
My Take
November 26, 2023 at 8:18 am
The racist rednecks hated (and hate) free blacks, not the enslaved.
MH/Duuuval
November 28, 2023 at 9:48 am
Here’s where the sociologist and historian would apply some class analysis:
Enslaved African skilled labor in the antebellum period often squeezed out skilled white labor, hence Dee’s Black History Moment about “slavery giving some former slaves a leg up after emancipation.” However, it was the ruling white elites who after emancipation created Jim Crow, which enabled whites to get a leg up in the segregated trades, education, government work, etc. So, while there was indeed a pool of skilled Black labor after emancipation, they found themselves legally excluded from much of that work — per Jim Crow. (This is the part of history Dee doesn’t get — these skills sets were diminished as Black workers were limited to unskilled labor BY LAW.)
Truth
November 21, 2023 at 7:45 am
the plantations would not have lasted one day, if the slaves wanted to revolt, remember the men were gone fighting for independence. so, what kept them at plantations??? maybe the whites and blacks got along, not like what the liberals have said
Ocean Joe
November 21, 2023 at 9:52 am
Where were they going to go? Were they going to go downtown and rent an apartment, or buy a house in the country?
MH/Duuuval
November 21, 2023 at 10:08 am
Truth?
You would have been one of those Confederates who were SHOCKED that the formerly enslaved took off whenever Union lines got near. Moreover, firearms were a monopoly of whites, and white owners of large plantations got deferred from the draft.
Christopher
November 21, 2023 at 8:21 am
The went to fight for “their independence” and to keep other human being in bondage – sure we should give that a monument or memorial 🤨
DR JAMES
November 21, 2023 at 12:54 pm
Amen
James L Wilson
November 21, 2023 at 1:08 pm
Governor DeSantis would thrill lots of Klansmen and Neo-Nazis and fascists if he signed the bill to protect Confederate monuments. But, doesn’t he have their votes already?
MH/Duuuval
November 21, 2023 at 9:41 pm
Good point, but doubling down is a reflexive response of autocrats — per Trump.
Mayor Deegan is probably right that this proposal, which failed last session, is an attempt by the dull-witted Mr. Black to poke the Mayor in the eye with a sharp stick.
Sam Caster
November 21, 2023 at 1:53 pm
Pass the bill so the Marxists don’t desecrate more American history.
MH/Duuuval
November 21, 2023 at 2:11 pm
The vast desecration of history taking place on this subject is historical denial — as in human beings kidnapped from another continent and enslaved for perpetuity, subject to physical and sexual abuse.
Truth
November 21, 2023 at 6:25 pm
blacks sold blacks to others. whites did not run into the jungle and capture them as proclaimed in the tv series Roots
MH/Duuuval
November 21, 2023 at 9:35 pm
No, whites did not for the most part do the kidnapping themselves — instead they came as customers looking for a product to make a profit on the other side of the Atlantic. (There were examples of whites who did try cutting out the African middle man, but these folks frequently ended up in boiling pots stirred by men with bones through their noses.)
My Take
November 26, 2023 at 8:41 am
We should stop enforcement against the illegal drug trade in America because those gangsters are innocent: the coca bushes and opium poppies are grown by foreigners native to elsewhere.
Mark miller
November 21, 2023 at 7:35 pm
We beat you once and guess what we will do it again. North beasts south, Blue beats gray. The hillbilly’s lost. Where is Sherman when you need him. Burn it down.
The Truth
November 21, 2023 at 10:23 pm
The South is going to rise again. Our monuments are going back up in Florida, thanks to Representative Black and Senator Martin, true Southern Gentlemen with courage. Deo Vindice
rick whitaker
November 28, 2023 at 7:29 pm
rise like the stench from a full toilet.
MH/Duuuval
November 21, 2023 at 10:40 pm
Would “true Southern Gentlemen” include all those who molested enslaved Black women, some quite a bit younger, beginning with Thomas Jefferson?
long live the south
November 24, 2023 at 6:32 am
ahhh the good ole days 🙂
MH/Duuuval
November 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
A mint julep for the lady and a bourbon for the gentleman?
Joaquin Petro Windham
November 26, 2023 at 3:27 am
wait a minute ..a law to Prohibit Voting A Way You Don’t Like ..?
how is it even conceivable, that that could pass constitutional muster ..
My Take
November 26, 2023 at 8:08 am
Has DeSSgustus made all the textbooks change “Civil War” to “War Between the States”?
For the, Sinful South’s Sordid Struggle to Sustain Slavery?
MH/Duuuval
November 26, 2023 at 12:01 pm
from Wiki:
The official US war records refer to the war as the “War of the Rebellion.” The records were compiled by the US War Department in a 127-volume collection, The War of the Rebellion: a Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, which was published from 1881 to 1901. Historians commonly refer to the collection as the Official Records.[18]
Eduard Birkans
November 26, 2023 at 12:21 pm
Do these statues , get up in the night and go round
killing people. Supported by flags?
If you want some historic information.try.
Shotwell publishing.!
MH/Duuuval
November 26, 2023 at 11:20 pm
“Southern books. No apologies”
Please explain how to be proud of perpetual human enslavement, inherited chattel slavery, with tremendous potential for physical and sexual abuses.
These folks who maintained slavery are all dead, so let’s not act like this type of behavior would be acceptable ANYTIME. No excuses.
My Take
November 26, 2023 at 1:50 pm
Ìnteresting. I wasn’t aware of that name.
Also, I wonder why 1770s was a revolution, and 1860s a rebellion?
MH/Duuuval
November 26, 2023 at 11:14 pm
Technically, what transpired between 1776 and 1783 was a war for colonial independence. What took place in Haiti between 1789 and 1804 was a revolution. The winning side gets to choose the nomenclature, so what happened between 1861 and 1865 was a rebellion against the federal or national government. Civil War gradually became acceptable to both sides over time, and is a fair description of what occurred although the case can be made that the events of that period were revolutionary as they resulted in the abolition of perpetual human enslavement and birthright citizenship.
The Truth
November 27, 2023 at 6:40 pm
The Confederate Monuments do not kill anyone.. Blacks kill blacks, they commit almost all the murders in Jacksonville, look it up. look how many murders have been committed since the monument in Hemming park was taken down.. Most blacks could care less about monuments, they care about crime, getting something to eat, healthcare, and so forth..
MH/Duuuval
November 27, 2023 at 10:57 pm
This isn’t about Black Floridians, per se, but about ALL Duval County taxpayers and voters paying to maintain a public monument to enslavement, perpetual and with few restraints on the many abusers, physical and sexual.
Miscegenation ring a bell?
the Truth
November 29, 2023 at 7:41 pm
what maintaining are you talking about, there is still red paint on the women of the southland monument, not costing the taxpayers one penny, you are lying
MH/Duuuval
November 29, 2023 at 9:35 pm
Haven’t seen the statue lately, so I can’t determine if I am a liar or not, klansmen. Sounds like something you should take up with your Council member.
Every city park and everything in it has to be maintained. That’s the fiscal picture, but there’s also the idea that everything on public property represents the views of the public — and a monument to White Confederate Women and Kids doesn’t work for the majority.
Please deal with the miscegenation issue. Then, get back to us.
rick whitaker
November 27, 2023 at 8:36 pm
after reading so many racist comments on this post, i am more worried about the good people of florida having to leave the state like i did. florida is already a hellhole, but it could get worse.
the Truth
November 29, 2023 at 7:42 pm
GO HOME YANKEE
Robert
November 28, 2023 at 8:36 am
turns out every other place that started taking down confederate statues didn’t stop at confederate statues.
MH/Duuuval
November 28, 2023 at 9:37 am
It is true that other places have started a reconsideration of monuments to folks like Columbus, etc., who were genocidal in their “conquests.”
However, I believe the monument to poet Robert Burns — in the same park as the sculpture to the White Women of the Confederacy — will be safe.
rick whitaker
November 29, 2023 at 8:36 pm
the state i currently live in has more confederate statues than florida, so what yankee are you talking about. you rednecks are quick to react without thinking. you assumed i was a yankee, so you called me one. i assume you are a redneck, am i right? my definition of a redneck is a person that gets mad when you call them a redneck.
rick whitaker
November 29, 2023 at 8:38 pm
robert, what’s your point?
Dont Say FLA
December 1, 2023 at 4:53 pm
I say let the Insurrections have their statues and their confederate battle flag. That way maybe they’ll stop trying to subrogate normal statues and the USA flag. Since the CBF was effectively banned, it’s become difficult to tell insurrectionist houses from elderly houses.
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