Guest Author
Political lobbying groups like Grey2K have long been using inaccurate information and statistics taken out of context to unjustly condemn the greyhound racing industry. They appeal to people’s emotions by only telling part of the story.
Twenty years ago, I was a naive college student who believed the sad story spun by the anti-racing extremists. Then, almost 12 years ago, I adopted my first ex-racing greyhound and started volunteering with my adoption group. I got to know some of the faces behind the greyhound racing community and began to see the more complete picture and the truth behind the industry. The majority of the folks who breed, raise, train, and take care of the greyhounds every day are just normal people — dog lovers who care deeply about the greyhounds in their charge.
The recent article by Tony Glover, published by the Miami Herald, is just another example of the way information is manipulated against greyhound racing. While attempting to validate his opinion about greyhound racing by using his position as a past director of the Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering, Glover fails to disclose that he is now a paid lobbyist for the Massachusetts-based Grey2K (one of the lobbying organizations behind the Yes on 13 campaign). He also fails to mention that the fiscal year with the “highest number of greyhound drug positives since 2003” happened to fall within the two years he ran the division that regulated greyhound racing in Florida.
Glover cites that, “Over the past 10 years, state records reflect 15 cases of greyhound abuse, 11 cases of neglect, 7 welfare-related cases and 47 vaccination violations.” To put these numbers into perspective, over the past 10 years, even using conservative estimates, over 50,000 greyhounds have raced in Florida. At any given time, there are around 8,000 racing greyhounds at the dozen tracks throughout the state. Over a ten-year period, 33 cases of abuse/neglect or welfare concerns is extremely low considering the total number of dogs in the care of racing kennels in Florida during that time. Any animal control officer would likely be quite pleased to have that few abuse/neglect cases in a dog population of 50,000 dogs.
Regarding the “vaccination violations,” how many pet owners have accidentally let their dog’s vaccines lapse? I fail to see how this is proof that greyhound racing is a “dirty game,” as Glover calls it. As a general practice veterinarian who also volunteers for an active greyhound adoption group, I can say that racing greyhounds are much more consistently vaccinated than the general pet population. It’s rare for us to get in a retired racer who is not current on vaccinations.
A Closer Look at the Drug Allegations
In Tony Glover’s (and other anti-racing) articles it is implied that greyhound racing has a big drug problem. A closer look at the numbers actually shows that greyhound racing is cleaner than most human sports as well as horse racing.
Glover also writes: “Hundreds of dogs tested positive for serious drugs over the past decade, including 70 positive results for cocaine metabolites.”
To provide a little more detail and put those numbers in context, there were 430 positive test results from 2007-2017 out of 440,586 samples analyzed — a frequency of less than 0.1 percent (that’s 1/10th of 1 percent). Over the same time frame, in horse racing, there were 1930 positive drug test results out of 170,993 samples analyzed, which is a little over 1 percent. While these numbers show that drugs are not a common problem in either industry, it is over 10 times more frequent in horse racing.
Taking a closer look at the individual drugs Glover mentioned, the positive tests for cocaine metabolites were almost all trace amounts that wouldn’t have come close to being considered positive by the standards of testing for humans or horse racing and wouldn’t have any effect on the dog.
In human and horse drug tests for cocaine and metabolites, there is a lower limit, or threshold, to account for environmental contamination and incidental contact. In greyhounds, there is no lower limit, so even trace amounts are reported as positives. The process used to drug test greyhounds is so sensitive that even 1 ng/mL can be detected, but in most human screening tests, anything below 150 ng/mL is not considered positive. The large majority of the 70 positive results over the past 10 years, mentioned by Glover, were below 30 ng/dl.
Then Glover states that: “The opioid crisis has sadly reached the dog track, with dogs testing positive for Oxycodone and Oxymorphone.” Looking at the actual numbers, 6 greyhounds have tested positive for oxycodone or oxymorphone over the past 10 years.
That’s 6 out of the 440,586 samples tested — hardly proof of an “opioid crisis.”
Glover also mentions “caffeine, Lidocaine, Novocaine, and an industrial solvent called DMSO floating in their blood.” A drug test can come up positive for caffeine from a dog simply stealing a lick of her trainer’s morning coffee. There were 10 greyhounds positive for lidocaine (again, out of 440,586 samples). And a review of the data shows NO positive results for novocaine; I’m not even sure it is something that is tested. DMSO is a topical anti-inflammatory that is used in both human and veterinary medicine to carry medications and liniment deeper into muscles and joints. To call it an “industrial solvent” is misleading.
The state’s drug testing program for racing greyhounds was found to be inadequate by a judge in court. To use this as an example of the racing industry trying to avoid responsibility, I wonder if Mr. Glover is also questioning the integrity of that judge? The draft legislation that Glover claims “would have legalized certain amounts of cocaine in a racing greyhound’s bloodstream” was simply to bring cocaine testing in greyhound racing up to the standards used in humans in horses. It would simply instate a threshold to eliminate insignificant, trace amounts that are likely due to environmental contamination or incidental exposure.
Glover’s comments about the “doping of female greyhounds with anabolic steroids” shows a serious lack of understanding of the sport he was supposed to be regulating. The use of anabolic steroids is an FDA-approved method of preventing heat cycles in dogs. The low doses used have been statistically shown to not enhance performance and is far from comparable to human athletes “doping” with anabolic steroids. Preventing heat cycles helps ensure order and safety within the racing kennels. Instead of being a treatment that “endangers the health of the animals” as Mr. Glover seems to think, because of the dog’s unique reproductive cycle, anabolic steroids are a safer method of estrus suppression than other hormonal therapies that can increase the risk of life-threatening uterine infections.
It’s past time for the anti-racing extremists to be called on their lies and misleading propaganda, which they have been using for years to malign the greyhound racing community.
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Jennifer Ng is a veterinarian in South Carolina. She adopted her first ex-racing greyhound in 2007, serves as a Greyhound adoption volunteer, and is the president of Greyhound Adopters for Racing.
191 comments
Carey M Theil
September 26, 2018 at 10:00 am
Apparently we’ve reached the stage of the campaign where greyhound breeders have out-of-state vets try to justify the use of anabolic steroids and cocaine. #YesOn13
Steven M Grabarczyk
September 26, 2018 at 10:02 am
Where do you live boss????? So you are saying your opinion is just as moot as you say hers is? Get real.
Catherine Whyte
September 26, 2018 at 10:20 am
Mr, Thiel – you yourself are an out of state lobbyist leading the anti racing charge. At least Ms. Ng is an actual Veterinarian with actual experience and knowledge rather than the blind rhetoric you spew.
mark abrams
September 26, 2018 at 10:22 am
and we have out of state lobby groups attempting to alter Florida’s constitution. During one of the hearings a lead out exposed that the cocaine contamination was coming from them.
Proud Racer
September 26, 2018 at 10:25 am
Your “out of state” comments are wearing thin Mr. “Pot Calling the Kettle Black” Theil. You do realize that most greyhound racing owners and adopters do not live in the state of Florida, so yes they have a vested interest in the welfare of their dogs. You, however, and your partners at the HSUS, care nothing for the welfare of greyhounds but would rather decimate the breed for some self-righteous but misguided savior complex. Your organizations’ days are numbered as rational folks are becoming wise to your deceitful tactics.
And why, Mr. Theil, will you not take up Mr. Parker’s invitation for a live debate?
Laura Brian
September 26, 2018 at 4:32 pm
Show me an unhappy retired racer and I will show you hundreds that still love to run
Jennifer
September 27, 2018 at 8:43 am
OMG so true! My Gears will want to run so bad that he can’t wait to go outside and he runs back and forth through the house as fast as he can!
Lori
September 26, 2018 at 10:31 am
Oh now who should we believe? An out of state veterinarian who has experience with greyhounds and provides context for her arguments? Or an out of state animal rights extremist who spouts misleading propaganda and literally makes his living off of other people’s donations to his cause? I think I’ll side with the vet. VOTE NO on 13!
Charles Collins
September 26, 2018 at 10:33 am
No different than you taking money from out of state from the lobbying groups grey2K PETA and HDUS.You people think you know so much why don’t you debate the greyhound people like they’ve asked numerous times. You’re afraid to because you know the truth will come out. Then the public will know what lying scamming people you all are. Debate the greyhound people give them their say will match our fax against yours any day.You just scared the truth will come out you’ll lose all your funding.
Dick Ciampa
September 26, 2018 at 10:36 am
Carey,
Out-of state is any state outside of Florida. Aren’t you still in Massachusetts with your loving wife? Are the two of you now out of your plush offices and apartment in Arlington, Massachusetts?
Perhaps when you debate John Parker you can address why you and the HSUS, they are based in Washington D.C. are okay to be out of-state, but no person or organization from the VOTE NO ON 13 side is.
You do know even the $1,500,000 donation you got from the Doris Day Animal Fund, which is based in Washington D.C. and is part of the HSUS would be considered out-of-state.
Maybe you should return the out-of-state money which totals almost 2 million dollars since it came from the Doris Day Animal Fund, HSUS and G2K.
Andy
September 26, 2018 at 10:43 am
Well, if it isn’t the second liar in command. Aren’t you out of state too. Care to talk about your partners, HSUS, those convicted RACKETEERS? Or how about when you tried to blackmail a West Virginia gubernatorial candidate, or let’s talk about your sister organization, ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT, terrorists, that is grey2ks president Dorchak’ on their website, and she does speak at their conventions. The Florida voters are becoming more aware of your criminal enterprise on a daily basis, and now the NRA sees through you, liar.
Brian O’Gorman
September 26, 2018 at 10:55 am
Where did Carey get a veterinary degree? How dare they question a licensed and trained professional veterinarian. Typical along with Dorchak to be deceitful! Vote no on amendment 13.
Craig Laginess
September 26, 2018 at 10:55 am
Carey, aren’t you the pot calling the kettle black? Where is your scam organization based out of? Massachusetts? Where is the other scam organization based out of? Washington DC? The Florida voters are on to your lies like flies on fresh crap. If you had any integrity and/or balls at all, which we all know you don’t, you would openly agree to the debate challenge issued by John Parker.
Steve
September 26, 2018 at 11:09 am
Carey, aren’t you an out of state lobbyists trying to adversely change Florida’s constition, influence legislators with out of state contributions, and try to have a negative economic impact on Florida’s economy. You’re out of state radical animal rights propaganda is going to create thousands of unemployed Floridians, take away tax dollars used for education among other needed services, and decrease tourism. You’re also going to displace the safest breed in the United States and create more overcrowding of shelters because you’re group didn’t help with greyhound placement in your organizations own back yard, so why would anyone believe Grey2K would help in Florida. You will just solicit more donations from the naive, well meaning dog lovers, and do as your group has done in the pastby walking away from the carnage.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
September 26, 2018 at 11:12 am
Carey Theil, You’re complaining about an out of state vet and where do you live? You have no right to interfere with any state other than the one you live in. It is none of your business. Get a real job and stop scamming people with your hundreds of lies you tell every day. You have never been to any kennels. You have NO idea at all about the racing greyhound or their care. NONE. So stop acting like the expert that you are not. You are the biggest liar of all. At least I know for sure you’ll go to Hell when you die. God does not like liars and those who want to destroy the very beings he put on this earth. So don’t you dare say anything about anyone that lives out of state. How dare you! Stay in MA and mind your own business. Stop paying the politicians to lie for you. Talk about calling the kettle black huh Theil?
Greg
September 26, 2018 at 11:17 am
You’re a moron. And also, “out of state” who lives a lavish lifestyle on the donations of those your perpetually misinform out of your own greed.
Jeff de la Cruz
September 26, 2018 at 11:23 am
They have reached the stage where your lies are being called Carey.
Tell me , how do you live with yourself ? Truly , how ?
Cpatter
September 26, 2018 at 12:42 pm
Doesn’t Carey Theil live in Massachusetts? And hasn’t his organisation collected more in salaries for himself and his spouse than they give to groups that help place greyhounds in adoptive homes? Do check his IRS returns to verify that!
Greyhound lover
September 26, 2018 at 12:47 pm
Mr. Theil, if you continue to think the way you do after reading an EXPERT’S opinion about anabolic steroids, then you are simply a fool.
GG
September 26, 2018 at 1:05 pm
Funny you would mention out of state
Ilene Sauertieg
September 26, 2018 at 1:12 pm
And exactly what state are you from Mr. Theil? I don’t believe it’s Florida, is it? Greyhound experts can be found all over the country and can provide just as accurate information as those from within the state.
Dick Ciampa
September 26, 2018 at 2:50 pm
Out of state or not, Carey, did you see those numbers posted by Dr. Ng? You never told anyone there were 440,586 samples tested. I can see why you would try and keep that huge number a secret. It really makes your 71 cocaine or cocaine metabolites over 10 years or 120 months seem like there really is no problem.
The whole truth is pretty damning, isn’t it?
Patricia Boyd
September 26, 2018 at 4:20 pm
I’m so sorry you are so uninformed. Your creds? 0 %, Dr. Ng’s creds?
100%
Kelly F
September 26, 2018 at 5:59 pm
like your not from out of state making up lies, your a tool and everyone is catching on to your BS, I would believe a Vet before a scam artist like you
John S
September 26, 2018 at 6:06 pm
I think Glover, and the whole greed2k scam group needs to be tested for drugs, especially one that pulls a dog in front of a train to kill it and herself
Phil Fremont
September 26, 2018 at 10:25 pm
You bum that you are you couldn’t serve cans of soda if they put them in your hand never had a real job jumped on this baloney ass venture you and that other ambulance chaser never added up to anything either one if you we got a good wiff of the stink you two are selling here in Massachusetts you two are legends we have a real lot to work with two numnuts that you are I have said for years if you two degenerates wouldn’t help the Dana Farber children’s cancer ward maybe you might redeem your truth worthless selves
Phil Fremont
September 26, 2018 at 10:27 pm
I’m referring to the lowlife phonies Theil and Dorchak
Nicholas
September 27, 2018 at 12:20 am
Well that comment didn’t work out too well for you did it Carey?
I take it this is why you won’t do a live debate?
Scott Mason
September 27, 2018 at 9:25 am
You ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting lies that you have no way of backing up. I know Jennifer Ng and she loves and cares for all greyhounds. How many do you care for on your home?
Elaine S.
September 27, 2018 at 9:55 pm
It’s obvious that Massachusetts meddlers, animal rights extremists, ARE not really concerned about greyhounds as there are no safety nets written into their proposed amendment to protect the dogs. Committee to Protect dogs? I think not. Meddlers? Yes. #VoteNoOn13
Elaine S.
September 27, 2018 at 10:03 pm
Oh, BTW, on the subject of metabolites, which are not “cocaine”, how do you account for the report of that a split sample for one of the “cocaine” positives was sent to UC Davis Toxicology Lab & it was found to contain NO DNA from a DOG or any other animal. One of Grey2K’s current registered Lobbyists, Tony Glover, was the head of the Florida regulatory body that oversaw these tests. Funny thing is he quit shortly after this “NO DNA” result was found to become YOUR lobbyist. That’s a FACT, jack!
Connie
October 2, 2018 at 12:15 pm
Carey
Did you really just open your mouth again and lie? You have never been in a kennel or worked with the greyhounds. There for you have no right to say what is true and what is true. We show you proof and all you do is close your eyes to see what you want to see. Money is the only reason you see what you want. It don’t matter who tells the truth as long as you tell your lies and fill your pocket. You are happy.
Dai Jones
October 8, 2018 at 7:46 am
Couldn’t afford to bribe out of state vets or what? Are they less qualified in some way? What do you animal lovers propose to do with all the wonderful dogs currently enjoying being alive and prospering? Cat food?
Steven M Grabarczyk
September 26, 2018 at 10:01 am
And before the fountains of misinformation come, Environmental contamination is not only recognized by competent scientist and the Florida Judge, but also by Florida Statute 550.2415(1)(b). Keep in mind these are the SAME fountains of misinformation that got a Florida legislator(Jarred Moskiewitz) to declare that female dogs were transitioning into male dogs from birth control even though renowned scientists differ (and common freaking sense). But Vegas has odds on Carey Theil coming in here to comment that Jennifer is “a last ditch effort to _______) you fill in the blank, or shes “tinfoil hatting” “gaslighting” “swiftboating” or one of many other stupid things that fly from his keyboard. The above, and many more issues, are why Mr. Theil runs and hides every time he is challenged to debate John Parker. I don’t blame him as he would get totally embarrassed in a debate. But stop being a little coward with your hit and run strategy, or better yet, keep it up, the Florida voters ARE catching on.
http://www.suppoergreyhounds.org
Steven M Grabarczyk
September 26, 2018 at 10:03 am
suppoergreyhounds.org mistype above
Steven M Grabarczyk
September 26, 2018 at 10:03 am
supportgreyhounds.org need a new keyboard
Joe T
September 26, 2018 at 10:08 am
Sounds like Glover was part of the problem, That is what happens when you hire someone that doesn’t have any experience, He wasn’t doing his job, Maybe the State needs to test his Urine, I read his article and the first sentence says he isn’t an animal activist yet he lobbys for an Out of State Group Grey2k, That alone lets me to believe he is nothing but a liar and someone that is not trust worthy…. Protect the Greyhounds… Vote NO on 13
Mary Beth Constante
September 26, 2018 at 10:09 am
The only thing this piece is missing is a mic drop at the end. BOOM!
Thank you for this very informative piece. I can’t believe anyone thinks trainers are giving dogs cocaine. It’s the most expensive, ineffective, illegal but salacious substance. It’s perfect for click bait to drive readers to their website. But if you think about it for more than 5 seconds, you realize how preposterous the whole idea is. What trainer is spending hundreds on cocaine, risking their dogs, job and jail time to win a $90 purse on a Monday matinee race? Let’s be real. They’re not. Grey2k lies and just wants your donation dollars to continue to not help greyhounds in any way and line their pockets.
Jim
September 26, 2018 at 10:24 am
Cary Theil, keeps commenting but still runs scared on the debate! Your lies and twisting of information are pathetic! Keep running!
T Dog
September 26, 2018 at 10:24 am
Says the man from Massachusetts.
Carey, does it really…in the grand scheme of things, matter WHERE the truth comes from?
Dick Ciampa
September 26, 2018 at 10:55 am
Dr. Ng,
Thank you for your factual and to the point article. When all Carey has to complain about is you being from out-of-state he is conceding their lies can’t trump your facts.
Just like he won’t debate John Parker because John’s facts will trump his lies. When they can’t control the media, they run.
Carl Viener
September 26, 2018 at 11:17 am
Thank you for this informative piece. I have been waiting for some comprehensive answers to the antis ridiculous claims.
Mike Anderson
September 26, 2018 at 11:38 am
Thank you Dr. Jennifer Ng!
A honest factual article with the truth about greyhound racing.
Vote No on 13!!!!
Craig Laginess
September 26, 2018 at 11:49 am
Dr Ng, thank you for the very well written article so that people can see the whole story. The fine citizens of Florida need to know the truth and whole story.. #grey2klies #VoteNoOn13
Randie J Blumhagen
September 26, 2018 at 11:54 am
I almost feel sorry for Carey Theil– his rhetoric sounds more desperate every day. I say *almost* because for him to see a multi-million dollar funded organization go down in flames, has to be painful — for THEM.
I have never been more proud to be a part of winning this battle. (And we are winning) #GreyhoundNation is truly a force to be reckoned with — out of a small grass-roots movement we have become a giant. It shows we do not need the millions of dollars when we have the millions of people on our side.
Robert
September 26, 2018 at 12:03 pm
Thank you, Dr. Ng.
Carey Theil? Wife Christine? Charlatans. Scam artists. Anything to keep that money rolling in.
Pete Garner
September 26, 2018 at 12:44 pm
VOTE NO ON 13!!!!! This will never pass, release the hounds!!!!!!! I think some people need to get some kind of life and get out of the house once in a while.
Patricia
September 26, 2018 at 1:32 pm
Why are ya’ll giving G2K any attention above in the comments? That’s probably why he made the weak comment that he did – to detract from the TRUTH of the article. That’s what they do -spin 1/2 truths to divert.
This article is about WHOLE truth. This article is an entire ad campaign to debunk the lies of inhumane treatment. Dr. Ng is not a HSUS vet who was bought out to sell lies after looking at a someone’s fact sheet on racing. This is her personal experience, review of hard data and working w/ the breed. #NoOn13
Lori Erlacher
September 26, 2018 at 3:30 pm
To me a glaring omission within this proposed amendment is there is nothing written compelling anyone to care for the displaced dogs.
Out of the 12 tracks about 6 of those run profitable racing. With how the amendment is written, it is expected that those unprofitable tracks will cease racing January 1st . What business owner wouldn’t end a financial drain?
Therefore it’s a logical jump to see these tracks, all 6, ending racing at their venue January 1st.
That will displace 4,000-6,000 dogs in 1 day. That is far too many for all the rescue groups in the State to absorb.
So ask yourself, is this amendment really for the dogs or the gambling institutions in which they run.
Andy
September 26, 2018 at 5:09 pm
If they would market their product, money they will make
Don Goldstein
September 26, 2018 at 3:41 pm
It’s interesting that the best Jennifer Ng can say about the drug positives is that it isn’t as bad as horse racing.
Catherine Whyte
September 26, 2018 at 3:48 pm
Oh Mr. Goldstein I think not – she points out that a – the drug positives are at a level so minimal they would not be counted in humans or horses, and b – that the percentage of drug positives is miniscule in the totality of the number of tests. What you are trying to overlook is that no “performance enhancement” effect could have come from those, and the dogs themselves were not given the drugs by mouth or needle (in the case of the cocaine metabolytes) and that the source had to have been human hands touching the dogs. Pretty pathetic attempt to discredit a very creditable statement. It’s all about perspective, which you and Mr. Theil of course wish to obfuscate.
Don "Decontextualize" Goldstein
September 26, 2018 at 4:22 pm
There you go decontextualizing everything again, Don. Look at the pass rate. What is it? Come on, it’s right there in front of you. But of course, propagandists don’t divulge all data — you guys in “Protect Dogs” are the cold-war North Korea with your narrow selectivity.
John S
September 26, 2018 at 6:03 pm
and its not as bad as your scam groups make sit out to be
Laura Chase-Smith
September 26, 2018 at 9:18 pm
I’m so disappointed that the comments made from Mr. Theil and Mr. Goldstein are not as verbally powerful as I thought they would be. Could it be because Dr. Ng hit it out of the park with her information that all can read and learn from?
Almost 10 years of seeing hundreds of beautiful sweet racing greys retire and get homes from our adoption kennel made me see the truth. You cannot have dogs that adopt out so well with anything BUT care and love given to them. So Mr. Theil, I would like to encourage you as I have I told others: please visit a kennel and learn for yourself. What do you have to lose? Money? Reputation? A home? A greyhound? What is stopping you? I can go to bed at night knowing I am supporting the side that benefits the greys. Vote No on #13 – Good for the Greys, Good for Florida.
P.S. I too am out of state as are all the greys/owners I know – we are watching and supporting our Florida racing teams.
Craig Laginess
September 26, 2018 at 9:31 pm
And all we here is crickets from the anti-racing side because their lies have been exposed. It’s funny since Kate McFall got schooled months ago on TV she has been in hiding. Where are the Grey2k keyboard warriors Eric Jackson and Fred Barton??? Probably rehearsing Justin Bieber and Nickelback songs for their upcoming tour with Carey and Christine playing in front of a dozen people every night claiming to be the real Nickelback.
Don Goldstein
September 26, 2018 at 10:13 pm
And I have been rescuing greyhounds since 1992. We have adopted 10 and fostered more than 50. I have been to the tracks and the farms here in Florida. I have seen the confinement, the injured dogs caged, the flea and tick infestations. My dogs indeed love to run, but they do NOT love to race. #Yeson13.
Elaine S.
September 27, 2018 at 10:18 pm
Oh, Don… Veterinarians usually require injured dogs, such as those with fractures, to be crated so they don’t reinjure themselves and/or destroy the cast/splint. They are also to be leash walked when they need to void.
Patti Kacer
September 29, 2018 at 8:38 pm
The only thing we have in common is I also have been involved in greyhound adoption since 1990. And I have 10 at home right now. Not one, even my racers who came straight from the track, had a fleas or ticks on them. I have been to farms, kennels and adoption kennels and NEVER seen an injured dog who wasn’t receiving medical care. You really are way off the mark! #NoOn13 #GreyhoundNation
Joe T
September 30, 2018 at 4:42 pm
sorry Donny, you have been caught in lies in the past and have NO credibility, your nothing but a mouth piece for a scam organization, How much are they paying you,
Jennifer Ng
September 26, 2018 at 11:36 pm
I’ve been volunteering for a greyhound adoption group since 2007. I’ve adopted 4, brought home 2 co-owned racers, fostered close to 50, and transported more coming directly from the tracks. I’ve visited multiple tracks, racing kennels, and farms in Florida, West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, and Kansas. I’ve seen content, relaxed dogs resting and eating in crates, happy dogs playing in the turn out areas, and excited dogs dragging their lead outs to the starting box to race. My dogs enjoy running in the yard, but that is nothing compared to how ecstatic and excited they get when they know we are going amateur racing or lure coursing.
As a vet, I see loving pet owners who battle flea and tick problems. And I recommend injured pets be kept restricted so they can heal, which some refer to as “cage rest”. Are those reasons to ban pet ownership? Anyone who truly cares about the greyhound breed should join 85 greyhound adoptions groups in urging everyone to vote No on 13.
Jennifer Ng, DVM
Greyhound Adopters for Racing
https://www.greyhoundadopters4racing.com/
Randall Cannon, DVM
September 27, 2018 at 7:43 am
I am a veterinarian of 30 years and have dealt with rescued greyhounds for the last 20. Virtually every greyhound I see has had a prior injury to the right hind hock. I always hear from pro-racing people how much they love greyhounds, but they can’t seem to answer this most basic question: “if racing people love them so much, why are there so many rescue groups? Who discards a loved one when they are no longer profitable?” Only in the perverted world of racing does a trainer send me a pic of all 3 of her greyhounds with casts on their right hind legs to prove how well she cares for them.
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 10:59 am
Dr Cannon is a vegan which of course he will lie for the cause like all of them
Jennifer Ng, DVM
September 27, 2018 at 11:33 am
Injury rate at any state/track that kept records has been about 0.5% of race starts. That means 99.5% of greyhounds come back uninjured after their races. My adoption group has placed over 1800 greyhounds over the past 20 years, and very few of them had any serious racing injuries. Anyone who has worked in greyhound adoptions knows it’s a small percentage that are injured and have past leg fractures. The fact that “virtually every greyhound” you see had an injury to the right hock means that you’re seeing a skewed population and are basing your opinion on limited information.
Nicholas
September 27, 2018 at 7:20 pm
Randall, Funny I see pet dogs with soreness all the time. Shall we lead the charge to ban pet dogs? Also funny how many people love their pet dogs, but there is so many rescue groups…….You should check out how many pet dog “loved ones” are in the pound.
If you want greyhound racing banned, than you need to ban pet ownership, as the same logic can be applied to both.
No on #13
Elaine Summerhill
September 27, 2018 at 10:25 pm
Dr. Randall, come now, be transparent. You are a vegan, animal rights extremist. You drive around in a truck with a billboard on it. You call it the “Take Your Blinders Off video truck”.
One of your better comments, “If Bourdain had proudly paraded a human head on a platter instead of a pig head, I doubt there would be vegan infighting. Think about it. Elitist speciesism.”
You are a disgrace. You have no credibility other than being an extremist. You are the kind of person that I worry about becoming a mass murderer.
Joe T
September 30, 2018 at 4:46 pm
Randall is full of lies, a Vegan that needs animal meat to feed his tiny brain cells, I have fostered Dogs right off the track and have never seen an injury, funny how he sees them in all greyhounds he vets, sounds like a money making scam to me, bought off by the Vegan scam group
Jody Johnson
September 27, 2018 at 9:22 am
1. You are trained to look for injury and skip over the rest. 2. They do love their dogs but how many can they keep at home? 3. Rescue groups are adoption groups, other choice? 4. She cares for dogs 3 with casts on, would you rather amputate or euthanize?
Yes On 13
September 27, 2018 at 9:33 am
This is a list of DEAD GREYHOUNDS as reported by the state of Florida since 2013. It is particularly galling to see an electrocution among the most recent deaths, as the industry has had almost a century to make their tracks safe and have failed to do so.
Facebook
Windy Alaska
Royal Runner
Skeeter Getter
Flying Meteorite
BL Easy Squeezy
AMF Vice Cop
AMF Preclude
Tapstar Rumor
WW’s Happy Days
AJN Fuslleer Boy
DS Ariel
Hot Foot Lovely
Where’s Too Bad
WS Mellow Yellow
TD’s Harley
Flying Matnena
Kentucky Blue
Gitto
Twisting Twister
LD Fly Cece
Tempo Jester
Atascosita Hug
Tate
Bella Ignacio
Jedi Desperado
Flying Junie
Kentucky Yonder
Yes I Am
Kiowa Rachel
Nitro Echo
Penrose Jake
Tempa Swagger
Jedi Lefty Lou
Flying Shakira
Hallo Spice Kay
JW’s Ku Ku Kiada
Kells Marque
Kell’s Neon Flash
Pat C Danger
RCK Rocket Man
RJ’s Red Johny
Puppy had not been named yet
T’s Red Thinline
Raiders Rambo
Tempo Maneater
Windy Tiny
AMF Pennywise
Boc’s Mamas Girl
DK’s Plus Wire
Flyn Demilovato
Go Bon Cutnstrut
Kay Osburn
N B’s Game Plan
Pretty Gorgeous
Quirk Flanders
Smooth Moves
Superior Assault
TB’s Allsparks
TMC’s Cates Cure
Tomco Cracker
Tapstar Racey
AJ’s Bornthisway
Jax Dalton
N B’s Argo
Shorty
A Fly Kyle Bush
Al E Mony
Backwood As I Am
Barts Point N Go
Kiowa Tara Total
MRL Booker Tee
RB Helena Sally
Sara Sophia
TL Black Diamond
WW’s Fling
Mega Useful
Kiowa Vanessa
A Hit with Amiss
Fist Bump
GM’s Tiny Mamma
Holly’s Pistol
KR Arizona
Luxury
Superior Jill
TJ Creeping
FC Micro Minie
WW’s Key Stone
Hallo Gulch
Buster
Calico Drive
Classy Cameo
Daisy Dawn
DS Uncle Buck
Husker Linda
JA’s Demi Moore
Mulberry Marty
NB Alien
Ptl Jay Jay
Roc A By Poptart
Xteme Honor
Pat C Sniffle
Angel Annie
Bella Rima
Pat C Reality
SNJ Crookedriver
Transparent Look
Mega Quizno
Saucy Shy
Long Shadow
Kelsos Caper
Kaias Primrose
Hi Noon Assassin
Cherokee Rock
BOC’s Velocity
Barts Buffalo Bill
Cramerica
Gable Eharmony
C Ville Hogan
DUC Little Eric
Emily Sharp
Gobie A City Girl
JG Victor Cruz
Jiminy Landon
KB’s Greer
M’s Flex Ian
Rams Frankie Dee
SE’s Dougie C
Superior Danger
Wheeling Dealin
WW’s Anguish
Atascocita Wyman
Do You See Me
Gone Gone Gone
Pup not named
K’s Faith
No Foolin Around
Somekindofhero
Ale Aaronrodgers
AMF Whipping Cream
Atascocita Angus
Classy Sassy
E’s Cruizin Ann
Grape Delight
Hilco Sammy
Jessie Dalwood
NB’s Rock N Roll
Nutha Level
Where’s Fly In
Trey Magnifique
AJN Natural Faith
Atascocita Tag
Braska Pam
B’s Smelly Nelly
Declan’s Reality
Don Juan Dino
KL’s Landon
Leroy Jethro Gibbs
Dragon Lily
Fanatic Lee
Unique N Sleek
Turnaround Tommy
RS Itsalongshot
Oshkosh Sami
Magic Grunt
Killer Jupiter
JG Alonzo Staff
Beetle Juice
Fig T Arabella
Head Games
Ray Nitschke
Sun Devil Drive
Where’s Thirty
Winning Marry
Wauban Philly
AMF Love Boat
Backwood Turner
Fire Runner
Kelsos Back Chat
Macs Everglades
Pardon Me Boys
Porporpitifullme
Variable Rate
Barts Away I Go
Braska Kab
Hilco Karma
Kiowa Kay Light
MM’s Custody
Pat C No Budget
PJ Four Twenty
RCK Untouchable
TDS Gretchen
CG’s Mike
Atasocicta Sol
Kiowa Valuable
WW’s Walstreet
B.L. Rumble
Days of Gold
Lady Designer
Mega Giant
O Ya Lookin Back
RJS Resolute
Arkans Sylvia
FF Whiskey
Soldier On
Benson’s Choice
Ch Dig N You
Cry Pine
Fiesta Outcome
Flying Combatant
Flying Tigerhawk
J Cal’s Skippy
LK’s Bad Boy
Mitey Mabeline
Slatex Nike
Wicked Cruisah
CRT Lightning
Flying Anarchy
Kiowa Pike Pass
PMB Take Three
TJ Excellent
Amf Offbeat
CH Kneecap Joe
CRT Sparkle
GM’s Greg
Grumpy Ole Cuss
JC’s Hickory
JT Time Out
Kiowa Concept
L’s Tato Skins
RP Jem
WW’s Manly Man
Beeny’s Girl
Boc’s Callulater
Brower
Charlie Spider
Doughy Cookie
Dutch Woody
Flying Lucia
Fuzzys Al Pacino
GS Dalton Lee
Kiowa’s Logan’s Run
Rats Bad Beat
To Fat For Coach
Topher Jo
CBJ Touchdown
Flying Curtana
JS Mighty Milo
KB’s Drake
Kiowa Leer Kelso
Kiowa Rose Son
Lamorge Starfire
MRL Middle Man
Rockdown Ben
WW’s A Won
Cross Tie Walker
CRT Xtreme Pal
L’s Yadi
MQB Baylee
PJ Look At Me Now
Chelsea Kaiser
Darvish
GS Spazmania
Penrose Lobo
Balazin Baron
Bocs My Turn
Braska Wibble
Fire Code
Jax Doggone Happy
Jax Yoko
JD Pageant
Kiowa Kay Co-op
Oshkosh Newt
PJ Down
Superior Osmosis
T Jays Steady Ride
Turbo Octane
BA Farloe Cat
Come On Creedo
Flying Firstmate
Hashtag Daytona
Jax Pansy
LK Kennesaw
RC Easydoesit
RP Roberta Flak
Waubun Mercury
Best in the West
Captain Attitude
Caress Lucy Lui
CRT Carlos
DDMS Orion
Hashtag Sensual
Kten Boss
Starring Act
Beale St Bound
Bocs Dream It
Easi Beta
IWANTANEWTROPHY
JD Going Global
Jims Double Play
Nini’s Chipotle
B’s Mr. Magoo
Castlegate Champ
GS Bobcat
Lady Lucky Lady
LK’s Crossfire
Martha Cockley
Max Keira
Penrose Adiza
Penrose Celeste
WW McOrder
WW Silas
Barts In A Flash
Boc’s Crimsntide
Colt Avion
GS Sage
Hashtag Aldine
Hashtag Sorority
Hi Noon Voodoo
Lily’s Dino
O Ya Go Daddy
Queen Jewel
Seventh Soul
Slatez Calico
AJN Ex President
Carpe Diem
Crimson Trace
Doc’s Nine Lives
GM Shaggy Aggie
JT’s First To Go
KB’s High Point
Believe That
GS Calvin
LKs Chickasaw
LKs Butternut
WWs Fly By Night
AMF Bar Setter
Bart’s Brazenlady
FM Reba
Hey Hey Child
Mohican Cream
Par C Zen
WW’s Shore Leave
FGF Burning Bayou
Max’s Einsteins
Strong Resolution
Easi Chuck
Jays Sea Party
Kendrick Camouchi
Oshkosh Jana
TBs Rip N Tear
Atascocita Kyan
Braska Lickity
FF Maverick
GS Katlyn
Little Erica
Penrose Conner
DC Diablo Sam
Colorado High
PJ Playboy
Copperkettle Rock
Flying Volts
Lee Viper
RP Roda Peabody
Shortys Baby Doll
WV York
WVs Paisley
Aark Leo
Azalea
BBG Greyt Boxer
Bella Manning
Go Bon Smoothie
PJ’s Arraigmant
SH Day Tripper
That’s My Boy
WW Orville Wright
AMF Unbelievable
Kay Twist Tough
Kiowa Make Deal
LKs Comeback
LKs Glenda Girl
SWG Mother Neff
Affirmed
Another Time
Gms Brinley
GS Draft
KBs Paragom
Marylou Betton
Maverick Son
BL Slider
Flying Ecstasy
Katsy
Patrolman
FF Adam
TR’s Bay
KC Soney
Super Sport Kid
GS Carlton
JT’s Coyotte
NB’s Shylo
PJ’s Smalltown Girl
PK’s Wish Wishes
Roann Fast Gear
Rue McClanahan
Severide
Atascotia Laken
BGR Pickler
Dawn Patrol
Ducka
Multipurpose
AJN Alien Mafia
Craige Hera
NB’s Legend
Big Golden Boy
Renegade
Argent Moon
B’s Moody Too
Kuhbitz
LK’s Made Proper
Pat C Hey Jude
Rems Carmex
TF Erin Go Brah
TNT Quiet Riot
B’s Empress
CTW Center Stage
Fly Texas Ranger
Flying G Rifle
Hi Noon Enforcer
KU Wednesday
Mac’s Johnstone
Ports Tiana
WW Rag Doll
WW See You Again
WW Thrillin
Craigie Americus
MD Rascal
Sallex Cactus
TNT Virgo
BL Luchador
BS Jarod
FGF Josie
Flippin Bubba
Rockdown Glee
PJ Deadly Woman
Scottish Scourge
VJ Barburry
WWW Estee Lauder
ZZ Top This
Craigie Pixel
O Ya Sabrina
Taylor Swift Fan
WW Leonardo
WW Pale Ale
WW Wango Tango
WW Winner Kiss
Amber Heard
CBJ Fly McArthur
KBs Rat Pack
HighDollarWoman
Light Opera
Slatex Hermione
VJ I Was Wrong
Bart’s Runaway
KL’s Magnus
PJ Let’s Be Honest
WW Pacquio
Odd’s On Favorite
Braska Kennedi
B’s Super Sweet
Dutch Velocity
HS Fleet
Killer Drew
TNT Agent Orange
Craigie Jazzer
Doc’s Small Town
Joes Matlock
Backstreet Betty
Death Trap
Del Sol Bilbao
Kaktiss
Love Sick
Tahas Wranger
WW Teresa
LK Way To Go
MRL Easy Goer
Pat C Showers
Atascocita Risa
Canaan Ragbarb
Making A Splash
AJN Avatar
AMF Boy Next Door
Arkehtekt
Lazy K Meth Seth
YouBetTheyDie
September 27, 2018 at 10:26 am
Died at the track? As a result of track injuries?
How many?
Yeson13=Propaganda&Rhetoric
September 27, 2018 at 10:56 am
Yes on 13 once again in a decades-long string of no context-giving plays loose with context and pretends that context and cause of death don’t exist. Make a list of all the pet dogs that died in the US since 2013, you mass propagandist, since making lists with zero context is what you’re good at. And why did Grey2K oppose the Greyhound Safety Act? Explain that.
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 10:57 am
The greyhound safety act would have prevented electroctions, but grey2k FOUGHT it
Nicholas
September 27, 2018 at 7:26 pm
Or maybe for balance list all the dogs that haven’t died in that period? Or would the percentage be very low that your point wouldn’t hold any value.
Yes on dogs is a scam
September 30, 2018 at 4:49 pm
Where is your list of all the pets that the SPCA admitted to killing 11,000 out of 18,000 in one year in ONE county only, looks like your not protecting dogs that well, another failed attempt by the YES committee
Sabrina Iwanowicz
September 30, 2018 at 5:12 pm
Hey… YES poster!!!! Since you are so good at making lists, can you PLEASE list all of the dogs names that HSUS willingly euthanized since 2013.
Thank you in advance.
Craig Laginess
September 27, 2018 at 9:44 am
How many of those are actually race related? Why did Grey2k fight against proposed safety measures that were implemented at Sanford Orlando? Why did Grey2k get smaller kennel sizes passed and the tracks didn’t change them? Why won’t the anti-racing movement accept the debate challenges issued? #votenoon13 #grey2klies #hsuslies
Dick Ciampa
September 27, 2018 at 10:31 am
So now I’m sure as a G2K cult member you want to show compared to what. So now list the more than 25,000 or 30,000 greyhounds that didn’t die anywhere on track grounds.
You forgot to tell everyone about G2K’s pie chart that shows 42% of those greyhound deaths were track related. That is your cult leaders saying that.
Vote NO on 13
Steven M Grabarczyk
September 27, 2018 at 10:57 am
This one Dick???? http://www.supportgreyhounds.org/cause.jpg
Fred Barton
September 27, 2018 at 10:32 am
By now it has become a common strategy of the industry to hide their cruelty behind statistics. So what if dogs are injured, killed and abused? Look how many races we run each year. Prop 13 isn’t about numbers, it’s about the exploitation, pain and suffering greyhounds endure in racing gulags all across the state.
Don'tbeahypocriteFred
September 27, 2018 at 10:49 am
Why are you not banning pets then, Fred, since any issue you point out happens to pets more often, on an astronomical scale, and rarely in greyhound racing, so feel free to step off your ridiculous soapbox and address pet keeping, or you are a huge hypocrite.
Fred Barton
September 27, 2018 at 11:19 am
Now you’re using statistics outside of racing to hide your cruelty. Not what Prop 13 is about.
Fake News Fred
September 30, 2018 at 4:51 pm
while Fred and his group use NO statics , just making up lies
Steven M Grabarczyk
September 27, 2018 at 10:53 am
Fortunately through the work of many, Floridians are discovering that HSUS and your little Grey2k are nothing but liars who wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you in the ass. The various lies have been debunked and the truth is being disseminated. Stay tuned as there is much more in the coming weeks. When you come down to it, the issue is really the TRUTH vs the fountains of misinformation you and your ilk spew.
Fred Barton
September 27, 2018 at 11:21 am
Truth is many innocent greyhounds are abused, injured and killed in pursuit of profit for you. That’s what Prop 13 aims to end.
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 11:42 am
Truth is you are aligned with racketeers and terrorists, right Fred?
mark abrams
September 27, 2018 at 3:02 pm
Truth is many innocent greyhounds are abused, like the one being strangled in the picture with dorchak? The one being used to pursue donations to grey2k.
Brian O’Gorman
September 28, 2018 at 8:45 am
No on Amendment 13.
Ruth Hagenbaugh
September 28, 2018 at 2:48 pm
There you go again Freddy, same old rhetoric. Still can’t get it through your kool-aid brain that an abused greyhound can not race. An ABUSED GREYHOUND CAN NOT RACE. Let it sink in there a minute Freddy. Because of the safe track conditions that grey2k fought against, injuries are very few and very minor. Another truth you wouldn’t know because you haven’t been to the tracks to see the safer track conditions that your lying cohorts fought against. Greyhounds are not killed, but you wouldn’t know that because again, you haven’t been to any tracks or kennels to know this. Just keep believing the LIES. You are pathetic. You have nothing to show for your claims. Show me some facts from injuries or deaths from the last 2 weeks. Not from 5 or 10 years ago. VOTE NO ON 13!!!
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 11:05 am
What is the common strategy is the yes crowd never bringing up their growing ever longer list of fraud, such as blackmail in W VA, being in bed with racketeers, being aligned with ALF, admitting fraudulent advertising in Mass, Fred there and Dorchak being PROVEN LIARS. The pie chart showing where the 2 head liars keep over 100k a year while giving less than 1 percent to help any dog.
On one side you have supporters such as NASCAR and NRA, on the other you have supporters like racketeers, terrorists, and casino interests
Nicholas
September 27, 2018 at 7:34 pm
Interesting Fred. I take it you have the same thoughts about people who have died working to supply services to you? And of course I take it you have removed yourself from anything where there is a small possibility of a human death?
Free Barton
September 27, 2018 at 9:30 pm
And I take it you got the memo from the industry that says when confronted with an unpleasant fact, change the subject.
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 11:41 pm
Well Fred I continuously keep the subject on you and your president being proven liars and keep asking why anything you or your criminal cohorts should be believed, you know HSUS paid a witness to lie. Yet you never mention it, just keep up your same old distorted drivel. You always complain about someone changing the subject when that’s exactly what you do. I will say it again, NRA or Nascar has ever been charged with RICO violations, but your side has, let’s not forget blackmail implication. If you are on the good side, and we are the bad side, why is that?
Rosie T
September 30, 2018 at 4:53 pm
that memo came right from your group, thats why you cant stand the truth and your group is losing support, the truth is out and people are avoiding your group like the plague
Fred Barton
September 30, 2018 at 9:44 pm
Interesting that you avoided the topic of cruelty as well. Thank you for helping me make my point.
Craig Laginess
September 30, 2018 at 9:48 pm
Fred cruelty is avoided because it doesn’t exist, except in Grey2kland.
Carl Viener
September 27, 2018 at 10:34 am
The many contentions presented by the anti racing camp have valid answers that could be clarified by a debate between the spokespersons of the pro racing and anti racing groups. I know the antis have been challenged numerous times but ignore them. The truth would be seen. What do the antis have to hide?
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 11:06 am
Their lies being exposed of course
Jennifer Ng, DVM
September 27, 2018 at 11:52 am
The numbers and names that anti-racing extremists like to use to attack greyhound racing is just like their tactics with the drug testing results explained in the article. They post absolute numbers without context, and use individuals dogs’ names and pictures to appeal to people’s emotions.
But you know what? Racing greyhounds aren’t immune to the same things that cause premature death in pet dogs. Some of them pass away from illness, cancer, and accidents, even with appropriate medical treatment, just like pet dogs. What they won’t tell you is that at least half the reported deaths were due to other causes unrelated to racing. Or that since 2013 over 30,000 greyhounds have raced at Florida tracks. The fact that dogs die is a sad reality of life, not proof of cruelty.
For all our pet lovers out there reading this, how would you feel if your beloved young pet died of an illness after you did everything you could to save her. And then someone posts your pet’s name and uses her death as proof that pet ownership is cruel and should be banned. That’s what the anti-racing extremists are doing to the racing greyhound community.
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 12:06 pm
Amen
Craig Laginess
September 27, 2018 at 3:05 pm
Fred, the only exploitation of the innocent greyhounds for profit is that of Grey2k and HSUS and their lies, manipulation and theft. Dr. Ng’s statistics show the whole story, not the snippets used to tug at the heart and purse strings of the uniformed. Recently the HSUS claimed that dog wagering handle was dropping drastically, an audit showed that they grossly understated the handle. Here’s another statistic, Grey2k and HSUS donate about 1 percent of their donations towards the actual welfare of the animals.
Fred Barton
September 27, 2018 at 3:33 pm
I can understand why you wouldn’t want any heartstrings tugged on when it comes to greyhound racing. After all, these dogs are merely a means to an end for you–and that end is profit. Any dogs that are injured or killed along the way is, as the English say, wastage. Heaven forbid that someone see them as living creatures trapped in an arbitrary and dangerous environment; used until they are no longer able to generate money, then discarded.
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 3:55 pm
Are you watching Brett Cavenaugh right now Fred? You are no better or even worse than the incredibly sorry cowards who are putting him through this, you keep right on spouting the same old tiresome lying drivel. You won’t debate because you are a lying coward, you won’t mention your criminal cohorts, or your proven liar president, or that you are a proven liar. Mr Cavanaugh, and so many I know in the greyhound industry are something the liars on your side will never be, people of HONOR. You, and your criminal friends are frauds, always have been, always will be.
Nicholas
September 27, 2018 at 7:36 pm
As your leader Carey won’t live debate any greyhound person, will you?
Fred Barton
September 27, 2018 at 9:35 pm
After going a round or two with John Parker on the issue of cruelty and watching him dissemble, I get the feeling you either don’t know what a debate is or you just want to have another platform to spread industry propaganda.
Andy
September 28, 2018 at 8:48 am
Spread propoganda, that seems to happen far more likely coming from the side who is supported by rackateers and blackmailers, right Fred?
Craig Laginess
September 27, 2018 at 7:46 pm
Fred, I thought you taught in East Lansing not Ann Arbor. You’ve been spouting off stuff that makes you look like that you have been smoking stuff that isn’t legal in Michigan yet.
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 10:23 pm
Fred never replied to the facts about being a proven liar or his rackateer terrorist friends. Silence speaks volumes
T Dog
September 27, 2018 at 4:40 pm
Why is the campaign that’s heading this Protect “Dogs”? I don’t believe it’s any accident that it doesn’t specify Greyhounds.
Is that so they when they move on to their next target they can just erase their mission statement and (enter breed of dog and activity we want to end here)?
Not a chance in Hell I would risk having that amendment introduced in the constitution. You AR’s can say it will only affect Greyhounds a million times over. Forgive me if I choose to be sceptical of a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT (huuuuuge) that was written with one only one specific breed, or one specific animal in mind. Not a chance. It’s merely a stepping stone to a larger agenda. Be careful folks, pick your battles wisely. The NGA racers are fine. If you’re concerned about their care and safety …there’s other ways to accomplish that.
Andy
September 27, 2018 at 6:02 pm
And of course believe nothing criminal RACKETEERS say
Barton’s Guilty Conscience
September 27, 2018 at 9:16 pm
Thank you Dr. NG for explaining how the Anti’s are DECEPTIVE.
FredBarton
September 28, 2018 at 5:02 pm
The abused greyhounds can’t race dodge has been debunked several times because it relies on a very convoluted definition of what abuse is. You need to keep up because I recently reported on the deaths, of several greyhounds from May of this year. As far as going to a track, you don’t need to do that to read state reports of deaths and injuries.
Andy
September 28, 2018 at 5:27 pm
What you did, as if anyone was surprised is LIE about those deaths being race related, there proven liar Fred. Of course that’s only to be expected from the treasurer of an organization whose president is also a proven liar. And whose friends include HSUS, who, under the RICO act was fined $15000000 for paying a witness to LIE. I ask again, proven liar Fred, why should anything you or anyone in your fraudulent organization be believed when you and Dorchak’ are proven liars?
Fred Barton
September 29, 2018 at 7:57 am
Actually, I’m the Secretary, not the Treasurer, and as for the dogs, it’s not just me who counts their deaths as race related, the state of Florida does as well.
Craig Laginess
September 29, 2018 at 8:08 am
Isn’t that comparable to being the secretary of the Justin Bieber or Kanye West fan club. They are mocked as much as Grey2k, they lie when they say that they are musicians.
Andy
September 30, 2018 at 8:11 am
Sure they do Fred, secretary, treasurer, whatever. What you are, like your president, is a LIAR, simple as that, and a coward. Care to answer the question now, why should anything you or your fraud group says be believed when you and the president are PROVEN LIARS?
Sabrina Iwanowicz
September 30, 2018 at 4:30 pm
Once again here comes Fred with another lie. Wow, Fred you must enjoy lying and deceiving your groups supporters. I’m quite sure that is a mental disorder. Please get some help.
Vinnie Dade
September 28, 2018 at 8:58 pm
Oh Fred…. your posts on here are quite ridiculous. I was on the fence about the issue at hand. But after reading through this entire thread , it is plain as day that YOU are not to be trusted. I noticed that you never actually answered any questions that anyone asked you. I also noticed that the racing supporters answered all questions that were asked.
VOTE NO ON #13
Andy
September 28, 2018 at 9:55 pm
Fred is a proven liar, just like Christine Dorchak
Vinnie Dade
September 28, 2018 at 10:23 pm
Agreed! That Carie Thile lady sounds like a con artist as well.
Andy
September 28, 2018 at 10:54 pm
He’s actually a guy, but the most feminine guy you will ever see
Vinnie Dade
September 29, 2018 at 6:47 pm
Oh. Oops. I figured it was a woman since that person posted some BS and disappeared. Actually … that behavior isn’t really indicative of a woman…. but it is EXTREMELY COWARDLY.
Patti Kacer
September 29, 2018 at 10:42 pm
Fred, why in the name of all that’s holy do you continue to use the 3/1 when it has already been shown that at least 1/2 of these dogs died as a result of causes what would have happened even if they were on a couch? I’m not sure if anyone has asked you this before but just how many greyhounds have you adopted? And when was the last time you were on a US farm, in a US kennel or went to a US track? The problem with you & your minions is the answer is usually “0” and never.
I don’t understand how you think you know greyhounds, their care, & the love they receive but continue to spout “statistics” without any context. And yet you continue to ignore REAL animal abuse.
Yes, we are #NoOn13 supporters.
Fred Barton
September 30, 2018 at 8:18 am
Well the short answer is I do it because the state counts deaths that way as well. Beyond the is the fact that greyhounds are born for the sole purpose of making you money. That’s what their lives are all about from the farm to the kennel and when they cannot do that anymore the industry discards them. Their whole lives are race related.
Andy
September 30, 2018 at 8:35 am
They whole purpose of grey2k is to scam money out of people by distorting and lying. The president is a proven liar, like Fred there, and notice how many times he has refused to answer the question of why anything they say should be believed. He loves, and is in bed with HSUS, who paid a witness to LIE, he loves ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT, a terrorist organization where his dear leaders bio is on their website, and she gives speeches at their meetings. Blackmail doesn’t bother him either. He is a LIAR and fraud, a leach on society. They are in panic mode now that a honest all American group like NRA, never charged with racketeering by the way, has jumped in on the side of truth
Sabrina Iwanowicz
September 30, 2018 at 5:50 pm
No Fred! The industry does NOT discard them. The industry supports the adoption groups that place the retired racers into homes.
Obviously you are a slow learner. I’m sorry that you suffer from a learning disability. Hopefully the facts will make sense in your head someday. Best wishes.
Fred Barton
September 30, 2018 at 9:37 pm
Adoption is the industry making a virtue of necessity. Ask yourself, why does this dog need to be adopted? Because it is a greyhound that is no longer profitable so the industry is getting rid of the dog.
Catherine Whyte
September 30, 2018 at 9:44 pm
Why does a shelter dog need to be adopted? Because humans let him down and there is no pre-arranged network to help him find his forever home. A greyhound has a ready-made ticket to his forever couch when he is ready – it was there for him when he was born and its there for him no matter when he retires. Why don’t you spend your considerable donated funds to helping put puppy mills out of business? THAT is the source of thousands of unwanted and unadopted dogs, not to mention cruel and neglectful treatment. People WANT greyhounds because they are so well raised and socialized by the people who raise and train them. This is not rocket science!
Sabrina Iwanowicz
September 30, 2018 at 10:31 pm
Fred, please stop making yourself sound silly. There is a waiting list to adopt retired greyhounds. Too bad your friends at HSUS can’t say the same.
Patti Kacer
September 30, 2018 at 8:27 am
And yet greyhounds have a 95% adoption rate, BECAUSE OF the farms and kennels. And I can’t speak for anyone else, and we are small race dog owners but the fact that you think we made $$$ has just given me my morning laugh.
Fred Barton
September 30, 2018 at 4:02 pm
Your 95% adoption rate is, to put it mildly, in some dispute. Especially since the NGA doesn’t keep any records upon which to base it.
Jennifer Ng
September 30, 2018 at 5:15 pm
Yes, I would dispute a 95% adoption rate. I think it’s actually closer to 100% of dogs that racing owners don’t keep. A number of greyhound adoption groups are having trouble getting enough dogs and have waiting lists to adopt. So there’s no reason for retiring dogs not to get sent to adoption.
Fred Barton
September 30, 2018 at 9:40 pm
Interesting that you’re so confident of a statistic with nothing to back it up. A lot of adoption groups are having trouble getting dogs because of their anti-racing stance.
Craig Laginess
September 30, 2018 at 9:44 pm
Why would owners and operators want to work with someone who is trying to put them out of business???
Catherine Whyte
September 30, 2018 at 9:48 pm
Speaking as a pro-racing member of an adoption group, it’s not only anti-racing groups that struggle to get enough dogs. Neither can we. You have no proof that there are dogs not getting either adopted or going back to their owners – except your trumped up “dead dog” claims. I heard just today about one of the dogs on your “list” that you claim to have been killed on a racetrack. In fact he lived to a ripe old age and died of osteosarcoma on his trainer’s couch. Your lies and accusations are really getting old, trite and obvious.
Jennifer Ng
October 1, 2018 at 2:43 am
Fred, I wasn’t referring to anti-racing groups having trouble getting dogs. I’m talking about a number of pro-racing and neutral groups who have waiting lists to adopt because they can’t get enough greyhounds in. When the industry has a choice on who to send retired racers to, why would they give dogs to groups who are going to make up stories, spread lies about them, and try to shut them down?
Craig Laginess
October 1, 2018 at 5:04 am
Fred, you sound like that the anti-racing groups are “entitled” dogs, when in fact you don’t deserve them. So answer the question why should owners and operators give dogs to groups who are trying to put them out of business? Also why did Grey2k oppose the Rader act in 2015 to increase safety standards and injury reporting??? Grey2k is nothing but a bunch of liars and hypocrits.
Andy
October 1, 2018 at 6:51 am
Interesting that there is mountains of evidence to back up your crowd being liars and fraudsters, such as blackmail implication, proven liar evidence where you and your dear leader is concerned, evidence of alignment with terrorists, evidence of you being in bed with lying rackateers.
One more time, why should anything you say be believed when you and your president are proven liars?
Vera Rasnake
September 30, 2018 at 6:47 pm
Vote No on 13 and for the record Fred Barton I am the proud owner of Kiowa Logan’s Run-a greyhound name listed as a Track death on your anti racing propaganda citing a dog dies every 3 days on track. A total lie. Grey 2 K along with the help of an obvious corrupt former state regulator are trying to mislead voters. We trainers have no problem with reporting but how many names on that list are factual. Here is a fact for you and your extremists. Logan was born June 2005. He raced until 2010. I adopted him and he became one of my kennel mascots. Because he loved hanging out with his buddies in the kennel I always turned his paperwork in each year. As kennel operators we are given specific numbers of crates and we are to keep our list current as we adopt greyhounds or move them to other tracks. Kiowa Logan’s Run lived in my kennel, but he DID NOT die from any track injury. After several years of being the mascot and untaxed, Logan died of bone cancer and was not at the track when he passed. Because I always included him on my list of dogs, it is assumed he died of an injury. No wonder there was so much chaos under Mr. Clovers supervision. Seeing my pet on that list help
makes me wonder how many more names are being misrepresented. And one can not but wonder how long the relationship between Mr Glover and the animal extremists have been going on while he was in office, with the potential to taint the sport with possible corrupt practices for his personal gain. Thank you again Dr. NG for putting the numbers in perspective.
Andy
September 30, 2018 at 8:46 pm
Yet another lie about racing deaths, the pattern continues. All of you are liars, aren’t you Fred
Craig Laginess
September 30, 2018 at 9:26 pm
It’s funny how Fred is the only one spouting his lies off. Carey has kept his trap shut since he got pummeled after his jab, last I heard he flew back to Massachusetts crying to Christine at how mean everyone was towards him. Eric Jackson is nowhere to be found, he’s probably taking singing lessons from Justin Bieber.
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 7:51 am
Nice of you to care about shelter dogs, but we’re talking about greyhounds here. That is what you’re voting on in November. If you’re concerned about shelter dogs I suggest volunteering at your local humane society or animal shelter.
Andy
October 1, 2018 at 8:35 am
You mean those local shelters where your partners in crime HSUS act like they support? When in reality they put 1000 times more money into their offshore pension funds?
Jennifer Ng
October 1, 2018 at 2:31 pm
Thanks for confirming that GREY2K, “Committee to Protect Dogs”, HSUS, and the Doris Day Animal League really don’t care about shelter dogs. If you did, you’d put the millions of dollars you spend spreading lies about greyhound racing and soliciting donations toward actually helping those shelter dogs. Those are the dogs that really need “protection”. Not racing greyhounds who have a large national support network, more people wanting to adopt than dogs available, and close to 100% adoption.
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 7:53 am
Well, because, as people like you have said many times, we care about the dogs; dogs are like family; the welfare of the dogs comes first. I guess that wasn’t an accurate representation of the truth huh?
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 7:56 am
Well, you’re right about one thing, We have no proof about how many dogs are getting adopted because no one keeps those records. Oh, by the way: that means you have no proof that demonstrates that 95% of the dogs are being adopted for the same reason. Thank you for helping me make my point.
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 7:58 am
I’d be interested to kmow your definition of cruelty.
Craig Laginess
October 1, 2018 at 12:14 pm
Fred you teach at one of the best veterinary and agricultural universities in the country and it’s sad that you can’t figure out what cruelty is. My definition of cruelty is the inhumane treatment of animals. Being that you are the source for Grey2k, why did they oppose the Rader act in 2015, which would have called for stricter safety regulations and injury reporting standards?
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 12:31 pm
OK. Bringing innocent living creatures into the world for the sole purpose of making money. Then confining them for untold hours in crates, feeding them diseased food, knowingly putting them in danger of death and injury on he track, then discarding them when they are no longer profitable. How can you argue that is humane?
Craig Laginess
October 1, 2018 at 12:34 pm
By your definition you are opposed to farming also, but yet you teach at an agricultural school. This proves that you’re a hypocrite along with being a liar about the dogs.
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 12:36 pm
I thought you’d want to change the subject.
Sabrina Iwanowicz
October 1, 2018 at 1:06 pm
Fred ! Your 4 examples of “inhumane” are more Ridiculous lies and manipulative statements once again!!!
1. The greyhounds are not crated for untold hours.
2. They are not fed diseased food.
3. All domesticated animals are at risk for injury ANYWHERE they go. Car rides, dog parks, fenced yards. So are human children… you must also think sports, schools and playgrounds should be banned.
4. They are not discarded! They are placed into homes after potential adopters are vetted by the adoption groups.
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 1:25 pm
1. The greyhounds are not crated for untold hours.
Industry representatives Stephanie Elford and Carol Becker each confirmed in recorded interviews that the dogs are confined from 20 to 23 hours a day.
2. They are not fed diseased food.
As a result of eating 4-D meat dogs can be exposed to pathogenic microorganisms, including Salmonella, Campylobacter jejuni, and Escherichia coli. In addition, the use of 4-D meat can lead to false drug positives due to drug residues that dogs ingest and pass into the urine. According to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, raw 4-D meat “may present a potential health hazard to the animals that consume it and to the people who handle it.”
3. All domesticated animals are at risk for injury ANYWHERE they go. Car rides, dog parks, fenced yards. So are human children… you must also think sports, schools and playgrounds should be banned.
The issue is greyhounds.
4. They are not discarded! They are placed into homes after potential adopters are vetted by the adoption groups.
Greyhounds are placed into adoptive homes after and because they have been discarded by the industry for being unprofitable.
Catherine Whyte
October 1, 2018 at 1:37 pm
Bleat bleat bleat – same old debunked arguments
Sabrina Iwanowicz
October 1, 2018 at 1:55 pm
Hey Fred… google 4-d meat for sale!!!! The first result is USDA Prime Ribeye steaks for $125 dollars. Coincidentally your list regarding the results….. is the same for ingesting any processed human food. Including produce.
Nice Try
Sabrina Iwanowicz
October 1, 2018 at 8:14 pm
Fred… Who is Stephanie Elford?
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 9:20 pm
I can understand why you don’t want to believe me, but when you don’t believe a trainer and an industry spokesperson ( not to mention the USDA) one has to wonder what your true motivation is.
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 8:06 am
So what you’re saying is there are a bunch of groups waiting for the industry to discard the next batch of unprofitable greyhounds.
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 8:07 am
Well, because, as people like you have said many times, we care about the dogs; dogs are like family; the welfare of the dogs comes first. I guess that wasn’t an accurate representation of the truth huh?
Andy
October 1, 2018 at 8:33 am
What Fred and his criminal pals care about is MONEY, that is why the engage in blackmail, slander, lie, welcome rackateers into the fold, align themselves with terrorists, and lie, lie, and lie some more. Isn’t that right Fred, notice he never answers questions concerning the mountain of proof were their deceit is concerned. Instead he makes stupid comments like ” I am the proof”, never commenting on the fact he is a proven liar.
Andy
October 1, 2018 at 2:10 pm
Fred I keep on truthfully pointing out how you and your dear leader are proven liars and you refuse to answer the question I’ve posed to you numerous times, just like you won’t comment on being aligned with ALF, blackmail etc. All you do is keep repeating the came debunked drivel. But, then, I guess that’s what whacko zealots do to ensure the donations keep coming.
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 2:30 pm
Andy, I’ve told you before. If you think the voters of Florida are going to decide this issue based on your view of the people and groups fighting to end the cruelty of greyhound racing, then you go ahead and beat that drum as loudly as you want. You don’t need me for that.
Andy
October 1, 2018 at 4:56 pm
Yep, they are going to decide that that dogs are loved and well cared for, nothing cruel about it. You should see the crowds at Sanford for kennel visits Fred, each day brings more, the truth, the opposite of what you say, is getting out. Notice how we are getting endorsements of kennel clubs and such, not murdering ” humane shelters” like you.
It isn’t ” my view” of the groups on your side, unlike you, everything I say is true. Are you suggesting that you and Dorchak aren’t proven liars? Are you suggesting grey2k wasn’t implicated in blackmail? Are you suggesting Dorchak isn’t aligned with ALF? Are you suggesting HSUS wasn’t fined $15000000 for paying a witness to lie?
Nice try to get out of answering the question, which of course, is, Why should anything you or anything your organization says be believed when you and your dear leader are proven liars?
You should be aware Fred that the media is sharing girly man Stiel’s whining texts and emails freely and laughing at him, he is becoming comic relief, it is sinking in what whackos you all are. In Mass you didn’t have the powerful NRA against you, you’re doomed in Florida
Tell me Fred, if the dogs are so abused, why are they always so happy at the track and retired ones back at the track going nuts to be back out there racing when they see?
Hannah Shield
October 1, 2018 at 8:13 am
Kiowa Logans Run is why I’d take the list of deceased racers, ( God rest their souls, they did matter to their staff,) with a grain, mainly due to there not being a cause of death, where the death occurred, whom made that decision, & why that decision was made, and was it the only decision that could have been made? Facts AR, where are the rest of the facts?
Recently I saw someone’s byline “You can’t expect anything new from an echo” Rather fit’s the regurgitated lies Greed2Krap keeps spewing.
Andy
October 1, 2018 at 11:22 am
The fraudsters like people to think they have all this support, I talked with the general manager of Iowa Greyhound Park last week and he said grey2k organized a protest at IGP one time and only 1 person bothered to show, now here in Florida they are putting up old pictures of their gatherings. Remember the kickoff party where a whopping 30 people showed up. They are nothing more than whacko zealots, vegans for the most part.
Vote NO ON 13
Andy
October 1, 2018 at 3:56 pm
And of course on your site are all lies you constantly repeat.
Tell you what Fred, Google ‘ CHRISTINE DORCHAK ALF’, let us know what you find there
Craig Laginess
October 2, 2018 at 9:16 am
Andy, Mr. Laginess was my dad and he’s been gone for over 12 years. LOL Fred is nothing but a Grey2k spinster.
Hannah Shield
October 1, 2018 at 6:15 pm
The USDA has no grading that is 1D or 2D or 3D or 4D. Come on, facts Fred, from USDA’s site, not Grey2K lies. Really people are not stupid, do quit acting as if they are!
From section of USDA inspection & grading of meat
USDA Grades for Meat and Poultry
Beef
Beef is graded as whole carcasses in two ways:
quality grades – for tenderness, juiciness, and flavor; and
yield grades – for the amount of usable lean meat on the carcass. There are eight quality grades for beef. Quality grades are based on the amount of marbling (flecks of fat within the lean), color, and maturity.
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What is your next Greed2Krap lie that we can debunk?
Fred Barton
October 1, 2018 at 9:26 pm
See for yourself.
https://keepthetailwagging.com/why-raw-feeders-avoid-3d-and-4d-meat
Hannah Shield
October 1, 2018 at 9:46 pm
Right, let’s all believe some blogger and not the USDA! The whole population of earth is not stupid, doesn’t wear tin hats and doesn’t drink the poisoned kool aide delivered by Greed2Krap, H$U$ and the rest of the alphabet soup of animal haters. Try again, maybe with real facts this time instead of more lies? hmmm?
Andy
October 2, 2018 at 5:55 am
Fred, no word from you on the new court action that totally destroys your cocaine drug test distortions that you LOVE to spout, why is that?
Once again you are guilty of slander and lying, same as the ” abuse” you claim. Hopefully a class action lawsuit eventually takes you criminals down.
Fred Barton
October 2, 2018 at 7:42 am
Read the decision before you post Andy. What the judge had a problem with was the process by which samples are collected and tested, and I can agree with that. There is nothing in the decision that changes the classification and legality of any drugs, including cocaine.
Andy
October 2, 2018 at 9:16 am
I read it, and it gave Mr Glover plenty of time to tamper with the samples, after all, no canine dna was found in the one sample. And tampering is exactly something blackmailers and racketeers would stoop to, the whole thing was a set up
Steve Schlachter
October 4, 2018 at 4:17 pm
Your right Fred for once on this subject. The ruling is that no chain of custody implies anyone could of done it. The Admin Lawyer for the DBPR just recently ruled the process is not adequate. So the blame could be elsewhere and we are innocent until proven guilty.
Andy
October 2, 2018 at 9:18 am
I have also read many times about grey2k and ALF, grey2k and blackmail, dorchak being a proven liar and getting her start with PETA, HSUS and racketeering. Have you read all that proof of the frauds your side is?
Steven M Grabarczyk
October 2, 2018 at 2:54 pm
After reading all of these posts I think there is one person from G2k who while having and expansive vocabulary lacks any credibility.
Andy
October 2, 2018 at 5:56 pm
He proves that every time we prove his latest comment is a lie, but, the, after all, the president of his fraud group is a documented liar, and his cohorts paid a witness to lie so he fits right in.
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